Fomor Codex

[Rex]

We did the Elvaan....do NOT fight him if at all possible, he is insane. He attacks so fast, he took down 3 of 4 NINs during the fight against him because he just plain took out all of the shadows since his delay has to be around 90. So yeah, definitely go with the Hume, the Hume is easy as hell. The taru isn't bad, just be sure you've got some people ready to cure when he 2hrs. I think of 3 pops of the taru we only had 1 death during a Fenrir summon, and it was of course a taru.

You heard the man, don't do elvaan! hahaha

Damn though, I guess we just got unlucky with moon or something, as I was usually the only taru there (or sometimes a taru whm friend) and astral flow floored half of us at least. Btw it did use fenrir for 2-hour for you guys as well right? Seemed to us he was all about the dark elemental stuff (dark ele summon and fenrir each time we fought)

[Ankiseth]

You did quote me saying we had 1 death on a Fenrir summon =P

He did Ramuh, Fenrir, and I forget what the other one was. But yeah, only 1 death at all from Astral Flow, so aside from that it was a pretty smooth fight each time.

[Rex]

Bah, the forums ate some of my words there, what I meant was that I was just wondering if he did fenrir every time or just that one time with the death, thanks for clearing it up tho. So he definitely doesn't flow with fenrir each time, we just got super unlucky ; ;

edit:fixed previous post to reflect this

[Nagamaki]

The Elvaan is pretty rough, we popped it 3 times. Wiped 1st time from not expecting it to be that crazy, 2nd time really smooth, no deaths or close calls. Key is hasting tanks (we had 2 NINs) and erasing the insane Fomor def down as soon as it lands, because they will be taking some hits no matter what. I couldn't really tell sub but I'd guess WAR since he hits decently hard and I think he has Triple and Double. Thankfully Forfire isn't anywhere near as back as Shackled Fists or Grim Halo, so his WS aren't too dangerous.

We haven't killed them enough to be sure, but putting together other posts and the fact that somepage retracted their info, it would seem these don't drop the sachets, leaving the source of those unknown (I want one, pretty good for Elv MNK).

[Hirronimus]

Hmm, I wonder, the summons he used depend on day of the week?

[Rex]

naw, ours were on random days, we specifically made sure not to do darksday the second time in case he pulled out fenrir again... and he did anyway lol

[Pali]

We've killed at least 100 formors and have only had hate to pop one. We're still working on buidling hate to pop the second. How many formors has it taken everyone else to get enough hate to pop it?

[Rex]

each time we camped one room (hume room pretty much every time is where we built hate) and killed the room and the fomors patrolling the hall outside it for 1-2 hours (not sure the exact time) before we got enough hate. May have been over 2, but probably not quite that long. Just bring a thief and shakudo ingots and balloon cloths drop like candy. They seem uber rare without thf, as we went one time with thf and got maybe 12 of each, and the other times that we had no thief, only 2-4 dropped total.

[Ankiseth]

When we got there last night, we already had some hate, took 2 full clears of the room and hallway to pop. Then we popped 1, cleared one round, thenc cleared and popped 1, cleared and popped, cleared and popped, and the first could do another one. So it shouldn't be more than an hour or so.

[Rex]

hmm, which hallway were you camping? Hume room hallway only has 2 or 3 fomors in it, that you can only pull from one side, other hallways have more fomors in em. Also I think you can get your hate up easier after you've killed the NM before and resetting that hate, than going in "fresh", having never done the NM previously.

[Ankiseth]

The hume one with the Bard, Ninja, and Ranger sitting in the hallway. Yeah, it's a bit easier if you've already killed. That, and we found out that time also makes hate die out, either it's time or killing the Taurus for codex. Because I was Lv3 hate when we left one night, and when we went back the next day I was only Lv2.

[Rex]

Oh, you just reminded me of something. I remember having max hate one night (we hadn't popped taru that night due to the previous night's astral flow mess), then next night codex hunting in phomiuna, and my hate had been reset to zero when we went to do it. Not sure if it was because of time elapsed or killing stegotaurs, but something definitely affected it negatively. We've stopped doing this atm, but if we pick it up I'll take notice the next time we do.

[Rex]

Damn, haha.. just went to check this out, last time we did the NMs (bout a week ago) I finished off the night with max hate, as we definitely stayed away from the taru one. I've killed all of 1 stegotaur since that time, and only because he was blocking my way to do the xp scroll quest, and I go to check today... zero hate at the spot! I can now say with some certainty that it does diminish with time.

I checked with the fomor hate dude in safehold before heading out, to test hate before/after popping it (plan was to suicide it and check spot again to make sure hate got reset, then back to safehold). My hate was as high as it gets without being truesight: "grip of evil is tightening on the very essence yadda yadda battle for more than your life" and so on, but was "You start to get goosebumps" at the Stale Draft, so I couldn't run my test :3

[Nicholas]

I'm fairly certain the hate required for these nms is independent of normal fomor hate. Checking with that npc won't do much.

[Rex]

I know, I just wanted to be certain that hate at that npc didnt change once you popped the NM, like it does at the draft. Test failed due to sacrarium hate being lowered with time

[Nicholas]

Some good ways to test what affects this fomor hate would be to...

1. Log there overnight and check the Stale Draft again...having killed nothing between the two checks, this would tells us if elapsed time affects hate.
2. Zone and return and check, without killing anything. This would tell us if zoning has an effect.
3. Have two people of differing races kill only fomor of specific races...to see if this affects the Stale Draft message in any race's room. This could help narrow down if race is a factor.
4. Try killing stegotaurs or other mobs in between checks...without killing fomors...to tell us if killing other mobs affects hate.

Can't think of any other factor that might affect it.

[Rex]

Well I know zoning for sure doesn't reset it, when I did the xp scroll quest I mentioned earlier this week (I think it was sunday), I did check the draft and I still got the highest level message. That was a couple of days after we did the NMs last.

Oh well, not like it matters much.. just bring a thief when you go, and passing time building hate is painless when you're getting ingots and cloths to drop off of every other fomor :D

[Nicholas]

Yea and killing them is great if you have merits set...you get easily 100+ per. I got a merit point out of camping the other night.

[divisortheory]

Zoning resets your NM hate.

BTW, anyone know if Codex drops from Terotaur behind the 2 key door in Sacrarium? If so, there are more spawns of those, so maybe quicker drop.

[Rex]

It does drop off the higher lvl ones in sacrarium, friend got it just yesterday. But I did zone and came back solo and my hate was still max.