HNM Training?

[Zetah]

Honestly, being a 75 NIN 75 PLD, I brutally hate how some servers refuse to let PLD tank anything. In a sense some people treat it like Dragoon. Midgardsormr is completely balanced in terms of what tank jobs are used. Look at this website, they killed Tiamat with just 3 PLD/NINs, I'm not sure if they ever let ninja tank though. Yes NIN is safer in a long term fight and in general have an easier time surviving, and yes there are lots of things NIN can tank that PLD would have trouble with, but to not let them tank anything is really just ridiculous. It's not as though they do a terrible job at tanking stuff, and from my viewpoint Paladin has a easier time pulling hate off on stuff such as Fafnir/Nidhogg or in dynamis as I have noticed. The array of job abilities, cures and flash is really quite impressive for hate, and PLD can get hate right away very quickly, while NIN is at times more gradual other than provoke + warcry + 3 enfeebs (but I've used 26 enmity and had a pld also using enmity gear just pull off me with provoke + flash + sentinel on the dynamis - xarc mobs), and Invincible is really good compared to Ninja's two hour. ; ; The thing that can stop a PLD's hate is mp usage. However, with people going behind me for ta, or whenever another tank decides to not pull hate off me when it's a mob that you can just let one person tank, hate is very easy to exponentially increase as NIN.

If you guys have PLDs, let them have fun, don't go gung-ho and think only nin should tank something. There are things where it really doesn't matter if you let a PLD tank something. If you have a few warriors, try to let them tank a few things also. War tanks are really quite awesome.

Don't be scared off by a little competition at Simurgh/Roc, it pops in such a wide area that anyone can claim it and if you bring a couple people and spread out, there's a good chance you can get it. We got like 3 strider boots in 5 days doing this as a new ls that just sort of dissolved from an old ls.

[Okan]

We got like 3 strider boots in 5 days doing this as a new ls that just sort of dissolved from an old ls.

Bolded is important part. You have experience fighting these. These guys have no experience.

[Lordwafik]

Honestly, being a 75 NIN 75 PLD, I brutally hate how some servers refuse to let PLD tank anything. In a sense some people treat it like Dragoon. Midgardsormr is completely balanced in terms of what tank jobs are used. Look at this website, they killed Tiamat with just 3 PLD/NINs, I'm not sure if they ever let ninja tank though. Yes NIN is safer in a long term fight and in general have an easier time surviving, and yes there are lots of things NIN can tank that PLD would have trouble with, but to not let them tank anything is really just ridiculous. It's not as though they do a terrible job at tanking stuff, and from my viewpoint Paladin has a easier time pulling hate off on stuff such as Fafnir/Nidhogg or in dynamis as I have noticed. The array of job abilities, cures and flash is really quite impressive for hate, and PLD can get hate right away very quickly, while NIN is at times more gradual other than provoke + warcry + 3 enfeebs (but I've used 26 enmity and had a pld also using enmity gear just pull off me with provoke + flash + sentinel on the dynamis - xarc mobs), and Invincible is really good compared to Ninja's two hour. ; ; The thing that can stop a PLD's hate is mp usage. However, with people going behind me for ta, or whenever another tank decides to not pull hate off me when it's a mob that you can just let one person tank, hate is very easy to exponentially increase as NIN.

Plz tell square enix to make paladins not take damage so hard, then we'd want them to tank it all

Seriously the only reason I dont invite pld for events/exp/nm is because they need to much upkeep, they need refresh/regen(arguably haste?) & constange curing to keep alive, which means you'll need at least 2 people, a WHM & RDM(or bard), but with ninja a whm or rdm can take care of him by themselves. When something is hitting a pld for 130 a hit instead of hitting a ninja for 0, i'd rather take the ninja. No offence, just a bad game flaw. SE needs to let pld take less dmg

[Okan]

Even full Koenig takes a bit of damage.. Still less than normal, but in the end, a NIN can actually take as much damage with Arhat+1 equips, earth staff, and rings. It's mostly the Arhats that equal the PLDs DEF.

[Russta]

Even full Koenig takes a bit of damage.. Still less than normal, but in the end, a NIN can actually take as much damage with Arhat+1 equips, earth staff, and rings. It's mostly the Arhats that equal the PLDs DEF.

On my server it costs 3-4 mil to be equal to a full Koenig Paladin with a lot less time, effort, drama and politics involved.

[Nikko]

A skilled PLD will need less healing than a NIN in non-extreme fights (dynamis-xarc, MNK mobs, CoP Wyrms) as long as he has both a rdm and brd (doing ballad) in the pt.

Its funny how each pull hate best under opposite circumstances.. a NIN pull hate best when he doesnt get hit and can do good DMG, a PLD pulls hate if he does get hit and has enough use of cure4.

[Tyche]

Honestly, being a 75 NIN 75 PLD, I brutally hate how some servers refuse to let PLD tank anything. In a sense some people treat it like Dragoon. Midgardsormr is completely balanced in terms of what tank jobs are used. Look at this website, they killed Tiamat with just 3 PLD/NINs, I'm not sure if they ever let ninja tank though. Yes NIN is safer in a long term fight and in general have an easier time surviving, and yes there are lots of things NIN can tank that PLD would have trouble with, but to not let them tank anything is really just ridiculous. It's not as though they do a terrible job at tanking stuff, and from my viewpoint Paladin has a easier time pulling hate off on stuff such as Fafnir/Nidhogg or in dynamis as I have noticed. The array of job abilities, cures and flash is really quite impressive for hate, and PLD can get hate right away very quickly, while NIN is at times more gradual other than provoke + warcry + 3 enfeebs (but I've used 26 enmity and had a pld also using enmity gear just pull off me with provoke + flash + sentinel on the dynamis - xarc mobs), and Invincible is really good compared to Ninja's two hour. ; ; The thing that can stop a PLD's hate is mp usage. However, with people going behind me for ta, or whenever another tank decides to not pull hate off me when it's a mob that you can just let one person tank, hate is very easy to exponentially increase as NIN.

If you guys have PLDs, let them have fun, don't go gung-ho and think only nin should tank something. There are things where it really doesn't matter if you let a PLD tank something. If you have a few warriors, try to let them tank a few things also. War tanks are really quite awesome.

Don't be scared off by a little competition at Simurgh/Roc, it pops in such a wide area that anyone can claim it and if you bring a couple people and spread out, there's a good chance you can get it. We got like 3 strider boots in 5 days doing this as a new ls that just sort of dissolved from an old ls.

We never never never ever ever ever rely on NIN tanks. We have..maybe 3 in the LS. We did tiamat with 2PLD/NINs and a NIN/WAR for backup. We tank Kirin with PLD, Byakko with PLD. I can't think of one mob that we rely specifically on NINs. A matter of fact, our NINs hardly ever get to have any fun >.>

[kearnsy]

plds are so 2004

[Okan]

plds are so 2004

PLD/NIN for 2006!

[threevo]

u need too many whms for PLDs in higher end dragon fights. Mighty Strikes is the downfall of Paladins tanking tiamat /war, and jorm using bloodweapon is a pain in the ass too. Nins dont get hit too much when tiamat is on the ground if they are buffed proper and share hate well with other nin. the only situation i would rather have a PLD come in is. NIN1 dies, immediatly RoarNIN2, PLD can get hate off mages really quick compared to NINs wiht 0 hate.

[Not Kuno]

I found the best way to train for these HNMs is to experience a montage of fighting hard monsters with the Karate Kid, "youre the best around" song playing in the background.

[Orfeo]

Guivre and LJ are HNMs and pretty simple fights. Guivre sucks though, and is worthless

I actually highly reccomend trying guivre for a starting HNM. More or less every linkshell has a DRG or two in it (except your uber 1337's) who would die for the polearm it drops. Even if you don't have any DRG's, it is a lotto pop off of hurrican wyverns. Hurricane wyverns=wyvern skull. Wyvern skull=opo-opo crown.

Good luck and have fun

[Russta]

Guivre and LJ are HNMs and pretty simple fights. Guivre sucks though, and is worthless

I actually highly reccomend trying guivre for a starting HNM. More or less every linkshell has a DRG or two in it (except your uber 1337's) who would die for the polearm it drops. Even if you don't have any DRG's, it is a lotto pop off of hurrican wyverns. Hurricane wyverns=wyvern skull. Wyvern skull=opo-opo crown.

Wrong NM.

[layoneil]

Guivre - Kuftal Tunnel
Vouivre - Ifrit's Cauldron

[Orfeo]

Oh sheet

Meh, both are of about equal difficulty. Guivre is just 100% useless, while vouivre atleast drops something useful.

[Ashen]

Sorry for the bump but no one has answered one of my more important previous questions

are most/all the 21-24 hour HNMs like fafnir and such where they can spawn at 30 minute intervals? like, say fafnir died at 24:00 yesterday. that means it can pop at 21:00 21:30 22:00 22:30, etc. today. Are things like roc, serket, simurgh like that?
(Or at least I think thats how fafnir behaves)

Oh yeah, and thanks for the help everyone.

[Ruined Sky]

Sorry for the bump but no one has answered one of my more important previous questions

are most/all the 21-24 hour HNMs like fafnir and such where they can spawn at 30 minute intervals? like, say fafnir died at 24:00 yesterday. that means it can pop at 21:00 21:30 22:00 22:30, etc. today. Are things like roc, serket, simurgh like that?
(Or at least I think thats how fafnir behaves)

Oh yeah, and thanks for the help everyone.

No. Simurgh, Roc, Serket, KA, Cassie, pretty much all non Behemoth/Fafnir/Turtles can spawn any time during the 3 hours that their window is open. I hate them so much..

[Ashen]

No. Simurgh, Roc, Serket, KA, Cassie, pretty much all non Behemoth/Fafnir/Turtles can spawn any time during the 3 hours that their window is open. I hate them so much..

Damn, that means i have to pay attention while camping ><

[Okan]

No. Simurgh, Roc, Serket, KA, Cassie, pretty much all non Behemoth/Fafnir/Turtles can spawn any time during the 3 hours that their window is open. I hate them so much..

Damn, that means i have to pay attention while camping ><

Gasp. Who's of thought of doing that?

[Toreador]

If you plan on taking Serket less melee = Better.
I think taking Bune or Serket with 3 people is easier than with 6. haha
TP moves suck