Genbu solo o_o

[Marcatil]

It's understandable to question the reality IF it really occured, however, considering Avesta's current reputation; a falsified action would be (for lack of a better term) totally and utterly devastating.

Given certain circumstances, I think we can all agree that Avesta's reputation preceeds his name by a large margin. Why risk something of that grandeur by making it all fake?

Of course, you could question whether he did all the rest, but I have seen the Bug Boy video, and that large one of Apis. With those circumstances it would be safe to say that Avesta is quite capable of soloing mobs on a grand-scale tier above many others (RDM or not).

[Marcatil]

Gravity&Silence are your friends. ^^

Yes, and I'd place a lot of money that Avesta has maxxed Enfeebling and Wind MACC Merits. Those alone, on top of his already ludicrously high Enfeebling skill ability, I'm going to *assume* (given I've never fought a god before) he could land Gravity/Silence (both wind-based for those who don't know) with some decency more than normal.

[Anderian]

I always have said that if you can lock a RDM and a mob in a room with no links/MPKers/aggro and room to run, the RDM will always come out alive (if they're smart), point proven.

Right. Even if the mob hits like you for 500+ damage, has double attack and AoE to take your shadows? I think not. :D
That video was pretty... sucky. So we see how this RDM kills Genbu when it's at less than 1% life. This proves... what? I want to see a longer version of this. >_>

If there's ONE thing that can be believed, it's that Avesta isn't fake lol... And yes, RDM can avoid all of that when you have top notch gear plus AF2 hat/Dalmatica for MP refresh like crazy. Genbu isn't the speediest of mobs either.

Not saying that this video is fake, but I would like more evidence than video showing the killing blow. o.O
And with that 500+ damage shit I wasn't referring to Genbu... just saying that if you'd put RDM in to a room (as you stated) with, say, Kirin, no way in hell would he/she get out alive. It only takes one resisted Gravity and you are f0cked, because I highly doubt Phalanx/Utsu/stoneskin is gonna keep you alive for that one minute that you have to wait for the recast. >_>

[Elcura]

Hey, while we're nerfing RDM cause they can solo the easiest HNM in the game (easiest cause it can't go into ssj, the thing can be duo'd by a fucking NIN and BLM, go team!) why don't we take away RDMs Refresh and Haste, that'll make everything right!

While we're at it, let's take away things that make other jobs good, let's take away Utsusemi from NINs, Souleater from DRKs, Axes from WARs, Charm from BST, Trick attack from THF, Cure from WHM, Summons from SMN (whoops, let's just delete them now ok?), Wyrvern from DRG (is that even a nerf?), Meditate from SAMs, +haste% from MNKs, make the highest tier nuke cap at 800 for BLMs, make BRDs only sing one song, make PLD vit and def cap at 500 (CAUSE THEY TAKE HITS TOO WELL!) and take away rang-- wait RNG is nerfed already, yay!

Yeah, this is the Nynja version of FFXI, except maybe THFs are gods.

[Lordwafik]

Hey, while we're nerfing RDM cause they can solo the easiest HNM in the game (easiest cause it can't go into ssj, the thing can be duo'd by a fucking NIN and BLM, go team!) why don't we take away RDMs Refresh and Haste, that'll make everything right!

While we're at it, let's take away things that make other jobs good, let's take away Utsusemi from NINs, Souleater from DRKs, Axes from WARs, Charm from BST, Trick attack from THF, Cure from WHM, Summons from SMN (whoops, let's just delete them now ok?), Wyrvern from DRG (is that even a nerf?), Meditate from SAMs, +haste% from MNKs, make the highest tier nuke cap at 800 for BLMs, make BRDs only sing one song, make PLD vit and def cap at 500 (CAUSE THEY TAKE HITS TOO WELL!) and take away rang-- wait RNG is nerfed already, yay!

Yeah, this is the Nynja version of FFXI, except maybe THFs are gods.

I LOVE YOU.

This is how I feel whenever any retard is like "OMG THIS JAWB NEEDS A NERF"

So far people have told me:
My RDM is overpowered in solo & needs nerfing
My BLM is overpowered & nukes too hard so I need nerfing
My pets as a BST hit too hard and need nerfing.

[Raineer]

Not saying that this video is fake, but I would like more evidence than video showing the killing blow. o.O
And with that 500+ damage shit I wasn't referring to Genbu... just saying that if you'd put RDM in to a room (as you stated) with, say, Kirin, no way in hell would he/she get out alive. It only takes one resisted Gravity and you are f0cked, because I highly doubt Phalanx/Utsu/stoneskin is gonna keep you alive for that one minute that you have to wait for the recast. >_>

geez I apologize... We can't solo Kirin so obviously we can't solo Genbu.

Please make up your minds as to whether we're overpowered or not. BTW the "killing blow" was Bio2, which probably accounted for like 99% of all the damage.

[Anderian]

Not saying that this video is fake, but I would like more evidence than video showing the killing blow. o.O
And with that 500+ damage shit I wasn't referring to Genbu... just saying that if you'd put RDM in to a room (as you stated) with, say, Kirin, no way in hell would he/she get out alive. It only takes one resisted Gravity and you are f0cked, because I highly doubt Phalanx/Utsu/stoneskin is gonna keep you alive for that one minute that you have to wait for the recast. >_>

geez I apologize... We can't solo Kirin so obviously we can't solo Genbu.

Please make up your minds as to whether we're overpowered or not. BTW the "killing blow" was Bio2, which probably accounted for like 99% of all the damage.

Um... before you start crying, let me just say that I'm Red Mage as well. o_O it's the only job I have even over 40, and I've played it from the beginning.
And I wasn't saying RDM can't solo Genbu, I was saying I want more evidence. The Kirin stuff was for your bold statement that "when you put RDM into a room with SSJ Nidhogg and he will come out alive always ZOMG"... so... no, I'm not saying nerf us. I'm saying you people exaggerate our survivability.

[Elcura]

Not saying that this video is fake, but I would like more evidence than video showing the killing blow. o.O
And with that 500+ damage shit I wasn't referring to Genbu... just saying that if you'd put RDM in to a room (as you stated) with, say, Kirin, no way in hell would he/she get out alive. It only takes one resisted Gravity and you are f0cked, because I highly doubt Phalanx/Utsu/stoneskin is gonna keep you alive for that one minute that you have to wait for the recast. >_>

geez I apologize... We can't solo Kirin so obviously we can't solo Genbu.

Please make up your minds as to whether we're overpowered or not. BTW the "killing blow" was Bio2, which probably accounted for like 99% of all the damage.

Um... before you start crying, let me just say that I'm Red Mage as well. o_O it's the only job I have even over 40, and I've played it from the beginning.
And I wasn't saying RDM can't solo Genbu, I was saying I want more evidence. The Kirin stuff was for your bold statement that "when you put RDM into a room with SSJ Nidhogg and he will come out alive always ZOMG"... so... no, I'm not saying nerf us. I'm saying you people exaggerate our survivability.

Agreed. A panicked RDM won't survive in a situation where a calm RDM would, a RDM with no skills won't survive in a situation where a skilled RDM would, a RDM won't survive in a situation where the RDM needs good gear to pull something off (gear to increase durability).

[Marcatil]

How does it feel to fail, Nynja 8)

(Both at spelling AND common sense)

[Raineer]

The Kirin stuff was for your bold statement that "when you put RDM into a room with SSJ Nidhogg and he will come out alive always ZOMG"... so... no, I'm not saying nerf us. I'm saying you people exaggerate our survivability.

I didn't say that, learn to fucking read.

My answer was in response to 3 pages of ZOMG A RDM SOLOED GENBU ZOMG HE IS GOD ZOMG NERF RDM

My response to the whole goddamn Avesta phenom is that it shouldn't surprise anyone that he can do this shit. Crimson legs / utsusemi / gravity / bind / refresh / dalm / AF2 and I can outlive anything that doesn't have more movement speed than normal character run speed.

Excuse me for not putting a 47 word disclaimer on my statement that a good RDM can DoT a hard mob to death.

[Elcura]

Hey, while we're nerfing RDM cause they can solo the easiest HNM in the game (easiest cause it can't go into ssj, the thing can be duo'd by a fucking NIN and BLM, go team!) why don't we take away RDMs Refresh and Haste, that'll make everything right!

While we're at it, let's take away things that make other jobs good, let's take away Utsusemi from NINs, Souleater from DRKs, Axes from WARs, Charm from BST, Trick attack from THF, Cure from WHM, Summons from SMN (whoops, let's just delete them now ok?), Wyrvern from DRG (is that even a nerf?), Meditate from SAMs, +haste% from MNKs, make the highest tier nuke cap at 800 for BLMs, make BRDs only sing one song, make PLD vit and def cap at 500 (CAUSE THEY TAKE HITS TOO WELL!) and take away rang-- wait RNG is nerfed already, yay!

Yeah, this is the Nynja version of FFXI, except maybe THFs are gods.

8)

[Marcatil]

^ ftw

[Hirronimus]

Has anyone wondered why SE hasn't fucked with RDM /yet/? Because it's perfect and just the way it's supposed to be.

[Anderian]

The Kirin stuff was for your bold statement that "when you put RDM into a room with SSJ Nidhogg and he will come out alive always ZOMG"... so... no, I'm not saying nerf us. I'm saying you people exaggerate our survivability.

I didn't say that, learn to fucking read.

My answer was in response to 3 pages of ZOMG A RDM SOLOED GENBU ZOMG HE IS GOD ZOMG NERF RDM

My response to the whole goddamn Avesta phenom is that it shouldn't surprise anyone that he can do this shit. Crimson legs / utsusemi / gravity / bind / refresh / dalm / AF2 and I can outlive anything that doesn't have more movement speed than normal character run speed.

Excuse me for not putting a 47 word disclaimer on my statement that a good RDM can DoT a hard mob to death.

Fucking learn to quote then. -_-
...and read. Because this wasn't dotting a mob to death anymore, it was about this:

I always have said that if you can lock a RDM and a mob in a room with no links/MPKers/aggro and room to run, the RDM will always come out alive (if they're smart), point proven.

Can't see anything about movement speed there. Just a dumbass comment saying RDM > all, as long as he/she can (Run away!)

[NynJa]

Has anyone wondered why SE hasn't fucked with RDM /yet/? Because it's perfect and just the way it's supposed to be.

Go read some older patch notes:

RDM's used to have regen 2+3
RDM's used to have CureV
Fast Cast used to be a trait that OCCASIONALLY activated
Refresh was a myth
Convert was a myth


Can you actually believe that RDM's bithced to SE because they took away their regen 2+3 as well as CureV...they very spells that seperate whm's from any other healer (note: healer, not R3 whore) ??







So the first excuse was 'HE DIE AND BIO AND ZOMBIE, N-E JOB KAN DO THAT, STFU U KNOW NOTHING GO DIE". So now, I point out that Avesta was not weakened, nor had any reraise. But hey, maybe he had it, and took it off...doesnt change the fact he wasnt weakened at the end...maybe he HAD no reraise for the same challenge that various gymnasts do that high flying shit without a net. Regardless, I saw no reraise, and now you bring in the other shit: He has Dalmatica, RDM AF2 Hat, Crimson Cuisses, maxed enfeebling & wind merits.

Cool. Lets run down the numbers from RDM to "ANY BLM CAN DO THAT":
Enfeebling: RDM's have A+ Enfeebling, compared to BLM's C. Even if a BLM got as much Enfeebling Gear as they could, the skill of a RDM would eclipse it in every level. RDM WINS
MP Management: RDM has 3mp/tick refresh as well as easy access to another piece (Verm), for 4mp/tick refresh. This is coupled onto convert, with a merits can be lowered to 8m20s recast. BLM's best refresh is a 1mp/tick, unless they choose to carry a bunch of juices or sub bard. BLM's however can also attempt to aspir the target mob, though most likely will yield very little mp, possibly also a loss of mp. RDM WINS
Movement: RDM's can get a pair of crimson cuisses, a moderate challenge to obtain, to help them manouvre around their target. BLM's only method of increased speed is Herald's Gaiters, off Tiamat. RDM WINS
Survivability: RDM's have Bind/Gravity/Sleep1+2 (generally only bind and gravity will be used, and bind is very sporadic) at their dispsal naturally. This gives them freedom to sub a variety of other jobs to enhance their need, including utsusemi for guaranteed shadows, let's not forget to mention that those Fast Cast traits also naturally lower the Utsu recast rate. BLM's do not have this luxury of SJ's. They sub rdm, they have the unreliable blink, and if they sub nin, they have no gravity. Allthough, BLM enfeebling is so weak, their shit wont land anyways. RDM WINS
Kill speed: RDM's can only "BIO AND ZOMBIE RERAISE" because their elemental skill is too low to reliably land spells on most higher lvl mobs. BLM's have stronger nukes and higher elemental skill, but most HNM's have various resist rates completely ignorant to this, which limits the types of spells they may use. BLM WINS


Have I left anything out ?

[Demetrick]

or sub bard.

???/BRD 4tw hand down.

[NynJa]

or sub bard.

???/BRD 4tw hand down.

Yeah, I dont know why the hell I threw that in. I figured someone was gonna mention the fact that /brd can give an extra 1mp/tick refresh. I just wanted to cover all the angles I guess.

[Hirronimus]

Has anyone wondered why SE hasn't fucked with RDM /yet/? Because it's perfect and just the way it's supposed to be.

Go read some older patch notes:

RDM's used to have regen 2+3
RDM's used to have CureV
Fast Cast used to be a trait that OCCASIONALLY activated
Refresh was a myth
Convert was a myth

PLD and DRK had more MP than RDM, the level cap was Lv.50, there was no AF, etc etc. We're talking about current state of RDM.

[Fayth-]

I don't think he used reraise / bio tactics on Genbu. Would there be a reason to? If he could keep up with buffs / debuffs, he could just kill it with DoTs without having to die/reraise. Kinda like CC but...longer. Avesta had some crazy patience

[tiberion02]

Its not like genbu is hard to kite.

All these Rdm and Blm bash him for Bio'ing him to death, yet HE is the only one with any proof that has done it. After you do it, you can laugh at him.