Genbu solo o_o

[Elcura]

Has anyone wondered why SE hasn't fucked with RDM /yet/? Because it's perfect and just the way it's supposed to be.

Go read some older patch notes:

RDM's used to have regen 2+3
RDM's used to have CureV
Fast Cast used to be a trait that OCCASIONALLY activated
Refresh was a myth
Convert was a myth

Bold = buff
Nerf = italics
This was ages ago, you wanna tell me a job that didn't get changed after 2 years? As Hirro stated already, RDM is perfectly fine, it's only people who don't play RDM who think it's overpowered. You think RDMs are telling non-RDMs to stfu about RDM because they don't understand? It's pretty much cause you can't understand it unless you see it first-hand. I can see how powerful BST is, I can see how well they can manage, but I can't comprehend the job based on hearsay alone, I'd have to play it to understand.

Like I said before Avesta has a lot of skill and patience, I bet a lot of people with the same gear couldn't solo half the shit Avesta could, I reckon I couldn't because I'd panic and fuck up.

A panicked RDM won't survive in a situation where a calm RDM would, a RDM with no skills won't survive in a situation where a skilled RDM would, a RDM won't survive in a situation where the RDM needs good gear to pull something off (gear to increase durability).

[Hirronimus]

/hands Ulmy a double barrel shotgun

Thou shall strike down fear and terror into any and all who speak "REFRSH PLZ WWW"

[worldbfree]

Avesta has 966 MP as a RDM/NIN w/o being MP whore

wtf.....I hate Taru

[Raineer]

Can't see anything about movement speed there. Just a dumbass comment saying RDM > all, as long as he/she can (Run away!)

Sorry figured you'd be bright enough to know I wasn't referring to soloing Kirin or an SSJ Nidhogg. I wasn't saying RDM > all, I was saying with patience and the ability to kite: alot of shit can be DoT'ed OR dealt with in whatever way is necessary.

Just tired of people saying ZOMG AVESTA over and over and calling to nerf RDM because one guy had the patience to do it, my point was that it's not worth nerfing a job because some guy can kill Ungar/Amikiri/Genbu/Berith/whoever in several hours, sometimes losing shit-tons of XP.[/code]

[Elcura]

Lock and load, bitches.

[NynJa]

bst is overpowered...but realize the risk they take each time they charm something.


one mischarm in a linking area = dead bst, not to mention the mobs they solo frequently go yellow.

[Demetrick]

one mischarm in a linking area = dead bst, not to mention the mobs they solo frequently go yellow.

yes, and its unfortunate when the pets the have go yellow because of a steal...

[Hirronimus]

Nynja, your stupidity is overpowered. It should be nerfed. ^^

[Cantide]

bst is overpowered...but realize the risk they take each time they charm something.


one mischarm in a linking area = dead bst, not to mention the mobs they solo frequently go yellow.

Everytime I see you post I want to grab the nearest sharp object and jab it through my temple until I can kill the braincell that has the memory of your post. Luckily I only read the BG forums at work where there's nothing really sharp enough within arm's reach.

[Hirronimus]

Sup Cantide 8)

Edit: Cat in the condom hat ftw!

[Fayth-]

Avesta has 966 MP as a RDM/NIN w/o being MP whore

wtf.....I hate Taru

nerf taru

[Nikko]

nerf taru

Now we're talkin!

Also, improve galkas =P

[Akiro]

i want to know what happen to the people that spent the money for the spells, were they just stripped away?

[Okan]

I still can't download the movie

[Ruined Sky]

i want to know what happen to the people that spent the money for the spells, were they just stripped away?

You still have the spell, it's like if you dlv, you don't have to rebuy your lv 75 spell (if you have one), you just can't use it on that job anymore, but it'll be there if you lv WHM that high. >.>

[Okan]

i want to know what happen to the people that spent the money for the spells, were they just stripped away?

You still have the spell, it's like if you dlv, you don't have to rebuy your lv 75 spell (if you have one), you just can't use it on that job anymore, but it'll be there if you lv WHM that high. >.>

I personally think RDM should have atleast Regen II...

[Lordwafik]

agreed.

Gimme it I dont care when, 75, gimme gimme gimme.

[Marcatil]

Has anyone wondered why SE hasn't fucked with RDM /yet/? Because it's perfect and just the way it's supposed to be.

Go read some older patch notes:

RDM's used to have regen 2+3
RDM's used to have CureV
Fast Cast used to be a trait that OCCASIONALLY activated
Refresh was a myth
Convert was a myth


Can you actually believe that RDM's bithced to SE because they took away their regen 2+3 as well as CureV...they very spells that seperate whm's from any other healer (note: healer, not R3 whore) ??







So the first excuse was 'HE DIE AND BIO AND ZOMBIE, N-E JOB KAN DO THAT, STFU U KNOW NOTHING GO DIE". So now, I point out that Avesta was not weakened, nor had any reraise. But hey, maybe he had it, and took it off...doesnt change the fact he wasnt weakened at the end...maybe he HAD no reraise for the same challenge that various gymnasts do that high flying shit without a net. Regardless, I saw no reraise, and now you bring in the other shit: He has Dalmatica, RDM AF2 Hat, Crimson Cuisses, maxed enfeebling & wind merits.

Cool. Lets run down the numbers from RDM to "ANY BLM CAN DO THAT":
Enfeebling: RDM's have A+ Enfeebling, compared to BLM's C. Even if a BLM got as much Enfeebling Gear as they could, the skill of a RDM would eclipse it in every level. RDM WINS
MP Management: RDM has 3mp/tick refresh as well as easy access to another piece (Verm), for 4mp/tick refresh. This is coupled onto convert, with a merits can be lowered to 8m20s recast. BLM's best refresh is a 1mp/tick, unless they choose to carry a bunch of juices or sub bard. BLM's however can also attempt to aspir the target mob, though most likely will yield very little mp, possibly also a loss of mp. RDM WINS
Movement: RDM's can get a pair of crimson cuisses, a moderate challenge to obtain, to help them manouvre around their target. BLM's only method of increased speed is Herald's Gaiters, off Tiamat. RDM WINS
Survivability: RDM's have Bind/Gravity/Sleep1+2 (generally only bind and gravity will be used, and bind is very sporadic) at their dispsal naturally. This gives them freedom to sub a variety of other jobs to enhance their need, including utsusemi for guaranteed shadows, let's not forget to mention that those Fast Cast traits also naturally lower the Utsu recast rate. BLM's do not have this luxury of SJ's. They sub rdm, they have the unreliable blink, and if they sub nin, they have no gravity. Allthough, BLM enfeebling is so weak, their shit wont land anyways. RDM WINS
Kill speed: RDM's can only "BIO AND ZOMBIE RERAISE" because their elemental skill is too low to reliably land spells on most higher lvl mobs. BLM's have stronger nukes and higher elemental skill, but most HNM's have various resist rates completely ignorant to this, which limits the types of spells they may use. BLM WINS


Have I left anything out ?

Yeah, paragraphs. Anyway, here are the real flaws:

1) You can't have a lower Convert timer if you have maxxed Wind MACC Merits - they are in the same category

2) BLM has a ludicrously higher INT tier than RDM. Also, BLM has many +Enfeebling as well, which would put their ability to Enfeeble up pretty decent.

3) Actually, a BLM or DRK's Aspir is likely to yield a LOT more MP gain over time than by comparison to RDM. BLM and DRK have an A+? in Dark Magic, RDM has a...D rating?

4) As per the INT thing, Gravity is INT based. If they sub RDM, they have that spell, not to mention a smaller INT boost from /rdm.

5) Fast Cast does not lower recast rate (to my knowledge), it only reduces cast time.

6) BLM get Bind as well, Gravity is RDM-specific. Bind is also INT-based.

7) RDM only get Sleep and Sleep II by default. BLM get Sleep, Sleepga, Sleep II, and Sleepga II, therefore have dominance is ability to control a potentionally unstable situation.

8 ) Do you do Dynamis? If so you should know damn well BLM Enfeebling Magic isn't remotely "weak," otherwise they'd be eating dirt from consistently resisted, and short-lasted, Sleepga II's. Their INT plays a larger factor than you can even imagine into that spell.

9) BLM also have two easily available pieces of Refresh gear: Shaman's and Black Cloak. Yeah, they can use Vermillion too, but if you'll also notice, Avesta uses a lot of items (or at least has them on-hand) to pull this off.

10) Convert is not a fix-all ability. In fact you're missing the obvious flaw that veteran RDMs acknowledge. Convert gain = Max MP - Healing cost. Yeah, when you Convert you have full MP, however, unless you're feeling really lucky, some people pop off at least one Cure IV which is 88 MP down the drain assuming no Conserve MP kicked in. In an EXP situation this is easily remedied by using one Cure IV, and following up with Drain for the remainder, however, in this scenario it is not practical to rely on RDM's poor Dark Magic for this. Keep in mind RDM do not get Drain/Aspir unless they sub BLM or DRK.

11) Avesta subs NIN, therefore no Conserve MP bonus, he is paying full MP cost for all his spells. A BLM/NIN will always have Conserve MP present, not to mention a BLM's MP pool is the 2nd largest by base in the entire game. (Rating of mages: SMN, BLM, WHM, RDM).

12) The whole idea with the movement speed is neglible. Yeah, so one is likely easier to obtain than the other. However, you're missing the bigger point again: Using a +% Movement speed item you lose out on a better piece of gear, this goes for both jobs.

13) Use paragraphs and spaces.

14) Stop thinking you know anything about RDM, you know jack shit, and to use the old joke, jack just left town.

[tiberion02]

Ruby Quadav

[Heian]

Its not like genbu is hard to kite.

All these Rdm and Blm bash him for Bio'ing him to death, yet HE is the only one with any proof that has done it. After you do it, you can laugh at him.

This thread is done. Also Marcatil, you own'd as well.

The only thing I'm going to bitch about is VIT and DEF not working aswell as it should. 70+30 INT makes a huge difference for BLM and RDM but 70+30 VIT doesn't really make that big of a difference consitantly. Then again, I have no Martial Gear, I'm gimp.