Let the Truth be Told

[Kailyn]

I gotta ask because it boggles the mind. Orfeo, why do you repost your own quotes?

[Daahan]

because he posted the post a while ago and no one gave him an answer so he reposts it so ppl can see the question again and hopefully give him an answer this time.

[Gregorio]

On kazoku forums (back when I was in the LS) you blatanly said Noble's belonged to the person not the LS. It is stupid to ask for them back, Kailyn deserved the nobles, and I'm sure the other two deserved their items as well, quit being a whiney little bitch and respect the rules you yourself set down.

I apologize that you thought u were gonna get a nobles from my LS and when you didn't get it right away you left and joined Hokuten. GG! Don't act like your shit don't stink, cuz it sure does all the way from here.

Lets have people get items from your Linkshell and leave and join another! Not only that, they lied lied lied! If you condone that, then by all means.

Way to get off topic, i didn't mention not getting nobles at all in my post. Infact, I quit whm altogether and really don't care about nobles, if I need one for some reason someone in hokuten usually gives me one, but thats about once a month. Good job trying to change the subject though. Don't see why you made this about me, but whatever. Either way you said those people didn't have to give back the items (at least the Noble's, i didn't pay attention to others while in LS, but I believe you said the same thing about Osode's) and now are whining that they left with the items you said they could have. Gotta love a good leader.

Maybe he "made that about you" because you were SO polite in your original post.

Anyway, about the nobles. I got sky the same day as Kailyn did. In the time after we got sky, I'd say I went to AT LEAST the same number of events that he was at. Kailyn gets a nobles and maybe some abj.s or whatever, and I all I ever got from sky is a Genbu's Shield. Why, after all the work that we put in together, does Kailyn get a Nobles and I get a shield? The answer is easy, he's a WHM and he can use it. BRD can't use it, so it wouldn't make much sense giving it to me. The whole point of this is to say that I've earned that Nobles just as much as he has. No one person has earned anything they got from sky on their own, it always takes a group. And the reason they got the item wasn't only because they were more deserving of it than someone else, it's just more useful to give it to them.

I really didn't want to get into this since it might risk losing friends I've known since my noob days, but I had to. I think Tony's just more shocked than anything since some people left the LS who he trusted more than anyone else, and honestly didn't see it coming. Neither did I, really.

[shihei]

I think the person who is leaving will decide whats the right thing to do with the item, if I was them I'd give the stuff back to just stay awaaaaaay from the "drama"

[Tonyanjaii]

Regardless what their input in the LS was, it's common knowledge to return items to Linkshell, regardless what your the reason was. If I didn't feel those items belong to the linkshell, I wouldn't be asking for them back in the first place. The truth is that I AM asking for them back and they are returning regardless what their reasons are, it still make them thieves.

The thread is about Owned's account. He was going to let it rot because he did not care about the items, BG (the responsible party for getting the items in the first place) cared because it was their hard work.

Bert graciously saved the account from being deleted and took the items after Owned was going to bite the hand that fed him and sell his account to the ls for $1000.

Even that stupid hippie Jesus says "do unto others as you would have them do to you." He screwed BG so why does he deserve anything less but the favor returned?

- by Buruberi can be found at http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewto ... ght=#67085 obviously your standards change for your friends.

They screwed my LS over and I want the items to be returned, if you agree on that part then why change now? Double standard? Same thing, these 3 people screwed us over for over 130+ Mil, on items and genie weskit god knows how much it is as rare as it is. So why do they deserve to keep the items?

As Owned was a long time BG member too and participated / contributed a lot too, if he didn't deserve the ridill and resulted in having all his items sold for it why does people deserve to keep any of those items. Those items are RETURNABLE, not rare/ex.

[Orfeo]

I think the person who is leaving will decide whats the right thing to do with the item, if I was them I'd give the stuff back to just stay awaaaaaay from the "drama"

Sup Badtrip? 8)

[Warudo Ecksu]

Wow, this thread's getting long.

In any LS, we would hope if a member left, he/she would return any non-rare/ex equip for the LS to continue to put the equip to use. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't feel that way. They see it as, "I was given this Osode. Fuck anyone who wants to take it away from me."

Many people in this game are item whores. There's nothing you can do about that. If by now, they haven't return whatever you've asked for, I'd say get over it, move on, fight Kirin and get new osodes and shining cloths. Yeah, people suck, but when it comes down to it, even your friends can screw you in the butt over an Osode, and there isn't a damn thing that can be done about it.

[Jason]

I think the person who is leaving will decide whats the right thing to do with the item, if I was them I'd give the stuff back to just stay awaaaaaay from the "drama"

ppl still make up shit even when you do give the items back ^^

[Nirokun!]

Well i think ppl need to be more clear with how they run the item side of the LS. Are you a LS that loans out things to members who dont deserve to -HAVE- them in order to benefit the LS as a whole during activities, or are you a LS who rewards members for their hard work and input to better the LS.

Either way, when all is said and done, i think the former kind of LS is greed based (in terms of the LS group, not the individual). Thats like the military, issueing soldiers guns to shoot stuff and perform better, only to have them turned in.

The latter is like a job, where you work so many hours and meet requirements and you get paid. If you quit your job, you still have the money that you earned, and is rightfully yours.

A LS doesnt create members and outfit them with gear, then consumes them when they try to leave (unless you're talking about BG, then yes, we eat eachother constantly? o.O? DONT TURN AROUND OR WE'LL GET YOU WITH A SPORK OMG!)

[Samis]

How can anyone take multi-million dollar items that take an alliance[s] to get and in any way think that it is theres. all the exp lost by others, all the time down the drain...how can anyone think it is THEIRS. selfish. people fuggin died for others so that they can WEAR those items and you can bet ur ASS people are going to be pissed to see their hard work worn on your back,body,feet,legs,weapon slots, after they /goodbye. You were allowed to obtain those items because of the flag you flew under. you know who deserves those items? the LS> because everyone in their died for them. to strengthen the ls. not make an individual more powerful. everyone owns a piece of it, and to walk off with it thinking you deserve it or not is wrong, you're death totals don't amount to anything compared to everyone else's added up. no person is worth X amount of dollars. Eveyone basically has stock in the items walked off with, whether it be time/xp. your just jacking people of the shit they worked for too. And anyone who leaves with items and says "I didnt like the direction of th LS bla bla bla..", you don't get to keep items as a grievance. wouldn't it be nice if we all could get a 30million gil grievance check when we leave.... wait how much does an osode go for? maybe a 12-15million gil check for your time... how much a nobles go for? kinda not fair to cut yourself a check from the kazoku bank and head out.
Who is anyone kidding when it comes to items... the shred of time that a single person puts in compared to the amount that the LS puts in isn't comparable... so basically anyone walking off with an item is blatently saying that their time is more important than others because they are taking something everyone put time into and calling it their own. thats... selfish. yea yea bla bla keep the abj... who would ever drop those. its kinda accepted your gonna keep those since they are RE.

this sucks too, i very much like icespike and ziddan. both are GREAT players, and great people that i think aren't in the right by keeping those items.

and kailyn... pfftt u lil dicksmack. ur so rude you can't even say hi to kazoku people who you had no prior beef with even when they are courteous to you. u my friend...suck.

[Janice]

How can anyone take multi-million dollar items that take an alliance[s] to get and in any way think that it is theres. all the exp lost by others, all the time down the drain...how can anyone think it is THEIRS.

Because the same person has done the same thing for everyone else too. If 18 people fight something 18 times and get 18 drops, I'd say each of the 18 people 'own' that item even thought they couldn't get it alone. If the leader of the 18 people owns all 18, screw him. But you should know this before going into an ls anyways.

A Melee leaves an LS - they keep all god items except osode and any abjurations they got.

A WHM leaves an LS - they get to keep zenith pants and helm!! Alright!!

[Samis]

so basically anyone walking off with an item is blatently saying that their time is more important than others because they are taking something everyone put time into and calling it their own. thats... selfish. yea yea bla bla keep the abj... who would ever drop those. its kinda accepted your gonna keep those since they are RE.

thanks for reading, come again.

oh btw we all know there is 64 drops for 64 people in every ls. good comment. everyone has everything they ever wanted too /slap.

[Janice]

So the real point to wonder is why WHM ever join an ls if they can never get anything out of it beside 2 useless mp items. Cause they dont own anything else that is good, while all the melee luck out with all the rare/ex shit they can get.

[Samis]

... accomplishment. but thats becoming a lost art these days. PEACE OUT.

[Nirokun!]

mage gear is mostly crafted, sucks for us to have to give all of it back

[Jason]

since mage gear is mostly crafted shouldn't the person that leaves pay for the synthesis materials since it wasn't the LS that paid for the HQ, I could understand if the LS actually bought a HQ item they would want it back, but if the item was HQ'd by a non affliated crafter i don't see y they should give the item back as long as the pay for the synthesis materials (since that's all the ls paid for)

[Nirokun!]

makes sense to me, if they're going to pay at all, that is

[Tonyanjaii]

since mage gear is mostly crafted shouldn't the person that leaves pay for the synthesis materials since it wasn't the LS that paid for the HQ, I could understand if the LS actually bought a HQ item they would want it back, but if the item was HQ'd by a non affliated crafter i don't see y they should give the item back as long as the pay for the synthesis materials (since that's all the ls paid for)

Talon was dropped from a HNM, I paid for all materials that goes along with it, waited weeks to find a crafter, and even paid for the HQ fee. Technically I was the one who paid for it not the person it was given to. That person just "equips it" there fore the HQ item is indeed Linkshell property.

[Janice]

If someone leaves with uncursed equipment, do you make them give you money if the LS bought the cursed stuff?

[Russta]

since mage gear is mostly crafted shouldn't the person that leaves pay for the synthesis materials since it wasn't the LS that paid for the HQ, I could understand if the LS actually bought a HQ item they would want it back, but if the item was HQ'd by a non affliated crafter i don't see y they should give the item back as long as the pay for the synthesis materials (since that's all the ls paid for)

Talon was dropped from a HNM, I paid for all materials that goes along with it, waited weeks to find a crafter, and even paid for the HQ fee. Technically I was the one who paid for it not the person it was given to. That person just "equips it" there fore the HQ item is indeed Linkshell property.

You gave it to the recipient because they paid for it in another way; through hard work. Some people would argue that holds more value than gil. I'll offer no opinions here but you should try to look at all sides of the story to limit the personal damage of losing items you aren't going to get back.