Let the Truth be Told

[Tonyanjaii]

If someone leaves with uncursed equipment, do you make them give you money if the LS bought the cursed stuff?

No because the LS pays for half of the cursed items. There fore you would need to put out half the cost. The person uncursing the item paid for half price for them to keep.

Items that are not cursed rare/ex, stuff that can be traded / bought / sold were given to members to use, there was no gil exchange involved.

Lets say, had I sold the Nobles Tunic at a low discounted rate for 3,000,000 gil, then yeah its theirs to keep. They paid for it, theres no strings attached. But since they didn't, its not rightfully theres.

[Sashalani]

I'm reading these posts and I gotta laugh.

Ice man, I would have expected better of you. You were one of the most respected little Tarus in the LS and you go and pull this shit?

Kailyn, you I'm not suprised on. After you got your little Tunic you started comming to events less and less, and before you try and say you did, no you didn't, I've kept track of who all comes to events and who doesn't, and you either come at the tail end or not at all because you're always crafting away. The only exception to this was when you got something out of it.

As for Ziddan, same as Ice, one of the most respected members in the LS, I myself held her in high regards, and she goes and does this. I'm truly disappointed in her out of all of them.

As for LS policy on items. The rule was never changed despite what some are saying, it has been and always will be as Tony said. The items are given to you in good faith and their return is to be expected unless other arrangements have been made.

As to why it was brought here, simple, hopefully by bringing the situation into a public forum which is commonly viewed by many, that mentioning it may get the items back. It's happened in the past as word got around. It's not being immature, it's not as if Tony has resulted to name calling and such. He's tried asking each of you nicely for the items back, and each of you have been asses about it.

All the reasons I've heard for you three leaving, and the way they occured are BS. The respect I did have for the two of you is gone, though you don't care anyway so that point is moot. And as for Kailyn, you've only proved what I thought to be true all along.

[kasber]

And as for Kailyn, you've only proved what I thought to be true all along.

Hmm, Tony... i thought we talked about this, was i right? what 6 months later lmfao sorry

[Jason]

Tony would you mind posting EXACTLY what the Rule is for items from the Kazoku Forums.

[Dory]

Wow icespikes u truly let me down man, u better than anyone knows how hard we all work for u to get everything u got. You always got first lots on whatever it was u needed, weather it be ninja,war, or blm. Yea most of it u deserve, but what about all us.. u left us all hangin cuz ur super cool and want to be part of another ls. come on man we all HAD respect for u and u threw it all away ; ;. the least u can do is give the bak the items that are not rare/ex and let one of us that worked just as hard use it. Dude ur applyin to BG let them get u all the items, arent they the "best ls" should be piece of cake for them. Oh no wait u cant get in unless u have that stuff, u ever wonder y thats there rule cuz they dont wanna waste time on gettin u the item we work hard to get. And tonys not being immature, u are, u always had that fuk off attitude, tony just wants what we worked for bak.

As for ziddan i really admired u gurl, u were tonys left hand, he even gave u access to his char, which none of us have that advantage. You were the most pimped out blm on this server. But what do u do go and lie to all of us. Yea u helped but didnt we all help too. We died just as much as u, we deserve to be just as pimped, and tony's tryin his best to get us all there. Which i know for a fact other ls dont do. Most them get items split gil and its up to u to buy what u need. Give us bak the genie let one of our more respectable blms use it. Cuz u aint ever gonna be that admirable blm.

Kailyn, lol... u really really really think u deserve that nobles? from the time i joined the ls to the day u left. You never attended events, if u did ls was almost done, so u lost nothing. All u ever did was craft craft craft. Explain how that is deserving? Not only that but u insulted other members cuz there gear wasnt as good as urs when we busted our asses to get u that, otherwise u'd be just as gimped as me. And in all reality unlike ice and zidd i never even got to build admiration or respect for u.

And for all those comin on here and dissing tony, you aint got no right to talk. He is the only ls leader i have ever know to give so much to members of his ls. All other leaders usually just give the rare/ex and sell everything else hog the gil and lvl there crafts or other jobs. Just like samis said every whm. melee that gets an item didnt do it alone it took 20+ ppl there time and xp. For every nobles we gave pld, ninja, and wars lost so much xp and didnt ask to get paid for it, they just glad we could get a nobles to a whm to make ls stronger. And if tony wasnt aimming at Sea atm it was cuz like he said hes tryin to pimp out all of us, so that when we go to Sea we can pwn it. It is in future of our ls cuz were good enough for it, its just patience if u dont have it then nothing we can do. Tony is ahead of sky, hnm, dynamis thats a handful as it is, and tryin to get Sea just for some members cuz they have all god items and want to move on isnt fair.

Tony is a fair and just man, not immature and dramatical. Ice and Kai u come on here cuss him out and what not, makes me see u are the immature and childish ones, and we really dont need ppl like u to mess us up. Just give us our shit bak and let BG work to get u it all bak, they aint got much to do, thats if they accept u into there ls.

[layoneil]

Talon was dropped from a HNM, I paid for all materials that goes along with it, waited weeks to find a crafter, and even paid for the HQ fee. Technically I was the one who paid for it not the person it was given to. That person just "equips it" there fore the HQ item is indeed Linkshell property.

wait does Kazoku have an LS fund or are you the LS fund? did you pay the HQ fee or was the LS fund used to pay for the HQ fee? there's a distinct difference between the two.

[Icespike]

LOLZ..omfg, thats a joke dory, i was like 10th to get a osode, i got 0 blm gear and 1 war af2, and thats cuz it would have been trashed anyways..yeah, thats a shit load of gear >.> ... guys, serioulsy grow up

[Not Kuno]

I tried posting to this but I got hit by a

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[Dory]

ok so u were the 10th, now give it bak, theres still a long ass list of melees that need it more than joo icespikes. lets see if BG or any other ls go get u one. Guess what buddy u get put on the last line of the list or dont get it at all.

[Jason]

kuno is the man...

[Xavier]

Nothing I say makes any sense

Breaking 1337 status, couldn't last forever.

You seem angry. I understand. Your posts seem to reflect that anger, rightly so. However, you seem angry at the english language too, which I don't understand. Please form a comprehensive, easy to read post.

Thanks.

[Janice]

Delete an old post.

[Americayankee]

Nothing I say makes any sense

Breaking 1337 status, couldn't last forever.

You seem angry. I understand. Your posts seem to reflect that anger, rightly so. However, you seem angry at the english language too, which I don't understand. Please form a comprehensive, easy to read post.

Thanks.

NOoooooooooooooooo

[Buruberi]

First of all we are deviating from the topic at hand here. The reason these individuals do not want to give their items back has to do with Tony's rule when they recieved them.

When you join an LS, policies are pretty clear. BG takes back the items if you leave. I knew this when I left and I gave back my items, even if I felt I deserved them. I knew when I got my noble's tunic that it was never really mine. However, in this case, the individuals were told they can keep the items. The good faith clause of Tony's rules seems to have recently appeared after these members recieved their items.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything here, but it is far more convient for Tony to say they recieved their items under his current rule, the rule about good faith, rather than saying they can walk with the items, due to his anger/hurt about them leaving. It seems 2/3 of these members were figure heads in the linkshell and their leaving also hit an emotional note. But if they were elected as figure heads in the first place, that may mean they had a lot to do with the linkshell, possibly indicating their items being earned.

It's not about the morality of whether or not you should give back the items. That's not the case here. The case here is that these 3 were told they could keep the items as their own, and they believed it.

Also, Tony, your quote from my post on the Owned thread is not the same situation here. Let's try to keep our eye on the ball.

[Jason]

Tony would you mind posting EXACTLY what the Rule is for items from the Kazoku Forums.

[MrWatermonkey]

Who the fuck is "Jason" ?

[Jason]

'Tiffinee' is my in game character.

[Sashalani]

The rule on items has always been as Tony said. It was never changed.

The only figurehead out of the 3 was Ziddan. Icespike was respected, but was never in a position of power.

Ziddan initially had done a lot with the LS yes, but as time went on she started appearing at events less and less until this occured.

Never were any of them informed of to my knowledge that the items they acquired were their's to keep.

And as to what Tony quoted about Owned, it's a fairly similar situation. Person left LS, didn't give back items. Items though were retrieved through other methods. True, here the players in question are still active, but it's the same in it's general concept. 3 members left with items that were LS property, said items weren't given back despite a kind request from Tony to have them returned.

Most of what you've said Buru, has been information of which has been fed to you by 2 of these members who, if I recall, are friends that you speak to on Vent. So allow me to straighten this out. They were NEVER told that they were allowed to keep the items.

[Icespike]

U and Tony keep saying that Buruberi's info is false cuz the info was givirn to her from us...well, that statement is false, we haevnt told her anything. She knows what is up cuz she was part of the LS...maybe not as a member, but as a freind, however short lived it was. Thats how she got her info..She isnt fabricating..like u guys are...ur fucking rules were posted on the LS forums, and for u to say thats false..then fucking aye..go take an eye exame to make sure u guys arnt legally blind.

[Sashalani]

This is the rule as it always has been:
When an item is given to you, it is in good faith and as a reward to show that hard work does pay off. All items given to you will remain LS property until a certain lotted time and that the Leader feels that you have truly deserved it, then it will be yours to keep.

In other words, the item is LS property until it is decided otherwise.

This came straight from the forums.