Let the Truth be Told

[berticus]

did the lotted time pass, and did the "leader" ever decide on the items in question? i'm being told yes. but the way its written is highly debateable/worthless on your guys' part. you could nazi whatever you want by saying "it hasnt been enough time"

nevertheless, can you be told it's yours, then have it taken back? i dont see this written in there.

[Sashalani]

As far as I know Bert, they were never told the items were for them to keep, meaning they'd still be LS property.

And Tony has never been a person to go back on his word for as long as I've known him. So if he would have told them it was their's to keep, I doubt he'd be asking for them back.

[Icespike]

Soo if what u say is true (which it isnt) i guess 6 months of doing ls events dosent count for shit...thx, fuck u guys. And another thing, u guys make it sound like we the only ones to EVER get anything, fuck;n aye sash, u got a SH out of the ls fund...that wasnt a drop, oooo and TONY u fucking greedy ass, what about when FH ls gave us a Behemoth hide in return for the FEW ppl that joined their ls, what happend to that? oo umm thats right, u now have a signed Kailyn dusk gloves.... Or did u dupe those too, along with ur other gear?

[Sashalani]

Actually, I got the SH for the simple fact that I've been with the LS since it's early beginnings, busted my ass for it, and got very little in return. While I watched everyone around me getting everything.

As to the Behemoth Hide, that got sold and the gil is in the LS fund. How do I know, well, since I'm the one who sold it and handle the fund, I guess there's the answer.

Any other personal attacks you'd like to try for Ice?

[layoneil]

This is the rule as it always has been:
When an item is given to you, it is in good faith and as a reward to show that hard work does pay off. All items given to you will remain LS property until a certain lotted time and that the Leader feels that you have truly deserved it, then it will be yours to keep.

In other words, the item is LS property until it is decided otherwise.

This came straight from the forums.

if this is a rule for as long as Kazoku has existed, than from the sounds of that, the LS should be able to produce a list of the people that truly deserved items and the items that they are allowed to keep.

if the answer to this is, "to this day, no one has put in enough time to earn anything yet" than the entire rule is a farce. it's written in such a way to trick people into believing they can earn stuff when the second part of the stipulation is something that the LS has no intention of ever fullfilling.

if that's the case, i don't see how the LS can argue anything under Good Faith, if their LS rules is built with clauses that violate Good Faith.

and from everything that was written, if anyone has earned anything, wouldn't Ziddan have been one of the first to earn the items she got?

[Icespike]

It is true, what i said about the Dusk Gloves was false....BUT didnt it look like Tony and LS ldr stole for his own good...make him look bad. Well thats what he has done to use 3, making up shit to make us look bad, becuase he is all but hurt...which is another thing...Personal attacks? What tony said about Buru a lil ago was completey unecesary.. Tony..Leave RL issues to RL dont make them public u ass >.>

[Sashalani]

In all honesty, I'm tired of all this arguing. It's pissing me off and right now, I get enough shit IRL as it is. So here's the whole run down.

You 3 left for whatever reasons, some of you lied about, some of you said nothing. The 3 of you took items, Tony asked for them back, and rather than discussing it and trying to work something to at least retain a friendship and trust, you blew him off.

Yes, feelings were hurt and maybe it's playing a part of this. Respect was lost apparently on both ends from this whole ordeal. It's obvious that the items aren't going to be seen again.

As to Tony stealing, he's never really been in a position to as all the items that were ever sold, I took care of and put straight into the LS fund where they sat till they were needed.

As to the rule involving items, true, it's not very clear cut right now, though after this I'll wager that'll change. And a clearer set of guidelines will be posted.

Everyone's been made an ass out of apparently at some point during this, no one's winning and quite frankly everyone's losing. So I'm just gonna suggest that this topic be dropped and we go our seperate ways and leave it at that. What you decide is your choice.

[Icespike]

Wow, u actually posted something useful, Topic Dropped

[Kailyn]

If you only you guys knew how emotional I got when leaving the ls........and to make it sound like I had planned this from the beginning is rediculous and it hurts. I know this post has gone far beyond what Tony ever intended and is really only being fueled by his "minions". I hope all of you are happy with the personal attacks, and the discussions you have started over something you guys know nothing about. I find it interested how fast your supposed friends turn on you. Anyways, I wish Kazoku the best of luck in its future endeavors, but now I ask you all never to talk to any of us three ever again.
Good bye, kazoku.

[Fistandantilus]

Interesting how fast "friends" will turn on you. Loyalty ftw.

[Lordwafik]

Items > People


:D :D :D :D

[Onizuka]

A Melee leaves an LS - they keep all god items except osode and any abjurations they got.

A WHM leaves an LS - they get to keep zenith pants and helm!! Alright!!

Hmm when a whm joins a ls are they promised a Nobles?

Don't talk about melee's... I got shit from sky you mention whm vs. melee how many melee jobs are their? 7, 7 jobs vs. one job, it's obvious theirs more stuff for 7 jobs then 1. Drk get shit from sky and so do Thf's and Drg gets shit from everything. Thing is they don't bitch about working for scraps like it's some job and they have a family to feed...

I never expected any item for anything i did in a ls because i thought this was a game and not a job. "WHM leaves a ls and all he/she gets is some cursed gear" how about a good time, friends, memories, experiences, and a lot of lessons learnt. You say it like you join a ls for items and that's sad....

Edit: Fixed the now to not(bold)

[Janice]

A Melee leaves an LS - they keep all god items except osode and any abjurations they got.

A WHM leaves an LS - they get to keep zenith pants and helm!! Alright!!

Hmm when a whm joins a ls are they promised a Nobles?

Don't talk about melee's... I got shit from sky you mention whm vs. melee how many melee jobs are their? 7, 7 jobs vs. one job, it's obvious theirs more stuff for 7 jobs then 1. Drk get shit from sky and so do Thf's and Drg gets shit from everything. Thing is they don't bitch about working for scraps like it's some job and they have a family to feed...

I never expected any item for anything i did in a ls because i thought this was a game and now a job. "WHM leaves a ls and all he/she gets is some cursed gear" how about a good time, friends, memories, experiences, and a lot of lessons learnt. You say it like you join a ls for items and that's sad....

I join an ls for fun as well as items. And it isn't fun when you get turned into a slave by a sky ls. I'm just mad at the mage gear/melee gear ratio that is sky.

Pop item monsters drop melee stuff. Gods drop melee stuff. The majority of abjurations are geared towards melee.

I would rather have a whole bunch of little stuff rather than one expensive thing.

[Tonyanjaii]

Rules has always been there, that has never changed dated back since May 30th of 2005. As I have stated, "All items given to you will remain LS property" If i felt that they had deserved it then I wouldn't be asking for it back. This has been clearly stated and also be informed to these 3 individuals at that time and everyone else.

I never once told them that they could keep it, nor did they ask me if they could keep it. So how am I at fault? People love to take advantage of my kindness. I never once have put down these 3 individuals in my original post, nor flamed them. All I had asked from these 3 is to return their items back to the Linkshell as stated in my first post, nothing more.

Jason - its amazing how your attitude can change around, you used to be much friendlier, but I guess after getting into BG has gave you the mentality (I am the shit) attitude towards us *kazoku* where you orignally came from. Lets not forget that we also have given you a Verm. Cloak and a Serket Ring which you sold the cloak after you got the Yin Yang Robe. I asked for these back, all i got back was a hedgehog bomb which I had to beg for.

Sendoh - The Genie Weskit / materials and such were paid by the linkshell. I paid for it upfront and got reimburst, therefore making it Linkshell property.

Icespike - You are so full of shit. I never touched those funds nor have I ever benefited from it. And having that accusation of me using that Beh. Hide for my own personal use was total bullshit. Get your facts straight before you start point fingers to make yourself feel better.

Berticus - Please don't be biased to this situation as you have your own favoritism for Ziddan. I'm sure if your members left your shell with very expensive items you would be upset too.

I understand that these individuals are upcoming and possibly be new recruits to BG, as they have been working on CoP with the help of BG. Are you guys willing to accept these individuals knowing that they had accepted items from me and abandoned their own Linkshell? When asked nicely to get them back, and this is their attitude on it? Do you guys accept liars and thieves? I would hope not for the best interest of your Linkshell.

Seems like they only care about themselves and items. I hope they will be a great contribution and a great asset to your successful linkshell.

[Icespike]

>>Tonyanjaii (Nice to meet you) (Can i add u to my Friend list?)

[Jason]

Jason - its amazing how your attitude can change around, you used to be much friendlier, but I guess after getting into BG has gave you the mentality (I am the shit) attitude towards us *kazoku* where you orignally came from. Lets not forget that we also have given you a Verm. Cloak and a Serket Ring which you sold the cloak after you got the Yin Yang Robe. I asked for these back, all i got back was a hedgehog bomb which I had to beg for.

After I traded a Kirin's Osode for a Serket Ring and Verm. Cloak because i quit rng. I then got a Yinyang robe which i camp'd with friends so I asked you if i could sell Verm. and buy a Hedgehog bomb, you said go for it, so i did, then when i decided to quit you asked me for either the Hedgehog bomb or the Serket ring, So i gave you the Hedge hog bomb and you told me i could keep the ring. Don't leave parts out of a story to try and make yourself look better.

[Kailyn]

Let the truth be told! :D

[Icespike]

Yup, i was in the LS at that time, thats what happend, but ButtHurtTony gotta fabricate shit to make more ppl look bad

[layoneil]

Rules has always been there, that has never changed dated back since May 30th of 2005. As I have stated, "All items given to you will remain LS property" If i felt that they had deserved it then I wouldn't be asking for it back. This has been clearly stated and also be informed to these 3 individuals at that time and everyone else.

so since the institution of that rule, who have you deemed worthy and of what items have they been deemed worthy of keeping?

[Onizuka]

Hey Tiff long time so see how ya been?^^

ohh and when did you leave Tomo and why? and why use the name "Jason" insted of Tiffanee..? For the love of god don't tell me your a guy too?