FI vrtra (gather round the fireplace)

[Zigma]

http://www.gifs.net/animate/siren.gifCOME ON!!http://www.gifs.net/animate/siren.gif

[Tyche]

You missed the whole point yet again. Let me explain...

BG: We don't share strats. Do it yourself.
The following morning...
BG: Hey PO, can you give advice on Vrtra?

Cue the Batman theme.

I meant the strat was openly available to anyone who wanted to watch the vids. They didnt have to beg anyone. I believe HP also released some vids of marathoning it a while back.

[Daahan]

Question: Didn't you guys highly critcize, embarass, and insult other LSes for kiting the King Wyrms before?

Definitely not. It doesn't matter how you kill it as long as it gets killed.

SB's Jormungand run?

[layoneil]

SB's Jormungand run?

i wasn't aware that they killed it.

[Amarok]

Question: Didn't you guys highly critcize, embarass, and insult other LSes for kiting the King Wyrms before?

Definitely not. It doesn't matter how you kill it as long as it gets killed.

SB's Jormungand run?

That was Amarao losing his temper and posting pics and saying they sucked. Nobody really cares if they marathoned it if they had killed it, it would have had the same effect as tanking it regular.

[Daahan]

SB's Jormungand run?

i wasn't aware that they killed it.

You can go out for a 3 mile run but you may not neccesarily finish it.

I remember Amarao losing his temper; however, I also remember some, not all of you, jumping on the bandwagon and having a jolly good time over some tea and crumpets over the issue.

[Amarok]

I remember Amarao losing his temper; however, I also remember some, not all of you, jumping on the bandwagon and having a jolly good time over some tea and crumpets over the issue.

Let me rephrase then, the majority of the LS doesn't think marathoning is bad. There's always going to be a few people who feel the need to talk shit at one point or another.

[berticus]

tanking is harder than marathoning generally, but it gets repaid usually by faster cleaner and oft more fulfilling kills.

marathoning easy mobs isnt really "gay," it just proves less than killing it straight up.

i guess you could say that in a way LSes that marathon vrtra & kill it are weaker than LSs that tank vrtra & kill it, but there arent really any that do that on a reg basis.

also, there's -no- way to stop it from making random movements when a summon moves inside of itself. no other mob w/ a rear hate counter WS does this. straight up tanking is a huge risk no matter how skilled you are.

anyway, whatever gets the job done gets the drops.

[Ragnard]

I'd just like to add a few comments:

1. You can't learn a complete strat from video. Sorry. You can learn the basic strat, but you don't know party setup, you don't know stun setup, whether the RDM uses silence or not. Not only does it take skill to execute any strat on the scale of Vrtra, but it also takes intelligence to make it work. "Stand on Nidhogg's front feet, not behind him, not in front of his mouth," is THE DragonAery strat. People can still mess it up though, via poor alliance setup, darters, or rage mode. Stop flaming BG so randomly, eh?

2. Probably the only issue with this thread is that it's just calling another LS out on wiping to something with some kinda zerg strat. Some would call it bad form to post that. Other people would contend it's just pointing out that more people + old strat doesn't mean you're going to win (see #1). I don't know what FI is on the server, and how it relates to BG, but usually this kinda footage stays behind closed forums for posterity and class.

3. Straight tanking Vrtra with 1 WAR/MNK in front and 1 WAR/MNK behind is the way to roll. Constant SATA, flipping hate back and forth. Kill summons with summoners (duh), and have SAMs med TP for Flat Blade to prevent a Flail. Damage is done with THFs and DRGs (must have max wyvern attack merits).

[Zetah]

Vrtra hits weaker than all the others. I think I got hit for 127 at one point. I think Straight tanking is honestly not that hard until it starts spamming Cyclone Wing, which is when you want to kite. You also don't have to hassle tanks to kite and then stop for what seems like an eternity sometimes for BPs to go off if people are lagging or whatever. If shit goes wrong, just kite it until the shit is blown up, then resume position.

[Kiro]

Lol, I didn't know DRG could merit their wyverns.

[Banigaru]

Either way is effective, but marathoning is safer and imo the best way. We killed Vrtra 4 times straight up with ninjas and we also lost an equal number, if not more times. We've been kiting it the past 5 times and won each time effortlessly, only flails were on the past two that were recoverable. Kiting Vrtra causes less TP, i think our first try kiting he did cylone wing 3 times the entire fight. Straight up you were garunteed at least 10, some twice in a row >< Usually only costs about 12-16 poison pots for our runs, but there's usually 8 smns and 2-3 samurai so he dies fast. I think having the skill to kite, react and respond effectively to a Vrtra fight is worth more than having an original strategy. And keeping a strat secret is kind lame, but w/e helps your e-peen. I know i've helped alot of LS' with advice i've given and i've gotten the same. So INFO WANTS TO BE FREE YO.

[suwatee]

BG making fun of another LS (don't matter who it is) wiping: OK
Other LS making of BG: BAD

Having fun? I sure am.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/cru/kujata.jpg
kujata knows their drama

[Lockecole]

I'm sorry but watching a strat, and having the coordination, manpower, skill, and determination to pull it off are two completely different things. Saying any 35 people could watch a PO vid and kill Vrtra is laughable and completely untrue.

/shout PO's Vrtra vid URL in Jeuno, make people watch it, and gather 35 random people.... Make sure you bring alot of RR items too. Regardless sometimes it's not possible to come up with your own strat, and there is nothing wrong with learning that you can kite something, or that adds need to be slept before being nuked, beforehand via forums or vids, instead of realizing it on the battlfield. Just different means of obtaining that information.

[mdn]

we're going to try to straight tank it next time we have enough people on i think. the last time we did it was with 6 1/2 (loldualboxed rdm) blms and like 5 summoners and it took us about 1:30 with only a couple of deaths

if you have people who know what they're doing killing the adds, it's not a hard fight at all.

and PO only kills it when someone levels bard to 70, not to spite any other ls 8)

[Bikwin]

...i stole my strats from vixie(HP) @ dinner one time(servers were down for maint)
He very specifically told me the exact strats for killing vrtra:
Marathon it and it's easy, why haven't you guys killed it yet?
end of story

[Demetrios]

HiddenPower wasn't the first LS D:

http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewto ... ight=vrtra

[Ankiseth]

Hmmm....

Go Ed go!

[Mav]

Straight tanking Vrtra is l337 as hell... but PLD/NIN? ; ;

The comment about Midgard is about the JP LSes, I think. They don't often kill Tiamat solo (when they ever get it), so NewCompany (featuring everyone's favorite PLD-who-isn't-very-good Lei) and Coffin team up for those fights.

At one point, they tried Vrtra, but for some reason, they seem to be interested in desynthing subligars for their JSE, rather than winning the hardest fight in the game. They still do the whole PLD/NIN thing. Not sure why they prefer that over NIN/WAR tanks.

Anyone have any PLD/NIN-on-wyrms insight from personal experience?

Lei is a very good pld, been watching him for close to 2 years now, not a very nice guy but a very good pld and does a very good job as pld/nin. And not every LS has multiple nin/war's who have the gear needed to tank wyrms and pld/nin works pretty well when used right, and with af2 body it is amazing, havent seen it on vrtra but can be very good on tiamat and jorm.

UC did very good on vrtra, in fact they were the first shell's on the server to get it below 25%, it just they refuse to kite it around when they got in trouble and got flailed multiple times at about 20%ish last april.

Some shell's use interesting choices as tanks, like useing nin/pld for example.

[Amarao]

That fling where I posted pics of SB dying to Jorm wasn't just because I lost my temper. I tried to find the post, but I suck at finding them...but I had a reason, because I usually don't just lunge out like that. MWM talked about this, and I admited to a certain extent that I was wrong and it's all good now. We both had reasons for taking offense to what was said on both sides of the argument.

It's really kind of funny though how the whole NA community of bahamut talks about how much they hate FI monopolizing the 3kings and shit, but then the day BG puts something up about them being unsuccessful at something, everyone wants to switch sides.

Ain't that a coinkydink?