Herald Gaiters What jobs priority?

[NynJa]

blah blah blah
shut the fuck up



he's just pissed his nazi zerg linkshell didnt give him gaiters. His LS wouldnt even of fucking gotten a tiamat kill if they didnt log onto my wyrm LS to get the information that it is up (gogo 4 1/2 hr kill with 9 smn's and 45 ppl).

christ.

[aurik]

As a heavy-evasion mnk/nin, I would absolutely love these things for soloing: best evasion on a foot piece, plus the run speed for "oh shit my shadows are down for another 15 seconds" factor. Just to note, with my evasion setup I evade very regularly on things up to level 76-78, and I still have quite a shopping list to improve this stat. And yes, herald gaiters are on this list. The other jobs that can wear gaiters get nothing out of the evasion stat, as they barely evade at all on anything above level 65, and instead generally rely on stoneskin, gravity, etc.

However, this doesn't really serve my LS very much during HNM fights, as even if I am doing adds instead of chi-nuke as mnk/whm, it's basically 5-6 DD and 2-3 whms just raping anything that pops, instead of soloing.

I would have to say this is an item that shouldn't have a job priority. Give it to the most deserving person for everyday use, and for particular fights, make it LS property and rotate it based on what jobs need it. This, by the way, is one way my LS treats osodes. When we fight wyrms we usually have 4-6 monks rotating in one slot for chi blast and backup cures/status removals and we have a few people with osodes that show up in jobs that can't (or don't) wear their osodes, so they are lent to the monks for the extra mnd and mp.

- on Kirin it seems like BLMs are there for novelty (woo @ someone landing a 100 dmg Tornado our last Kirin) whereas MNK need the speed to actually get away when multiple 1k chi followed by boosting to piss Kirin off even more rip hate for 1-2 minutes at a time.

- For a battle where the mob is kited and BLMs tear up (KB), have one of the senior BLMs wear it.

- For something like Vrtra, give it to one of the AA/cure people, to help keep up with the tanks.

[Elcura]

MNK, then all others, but then again i'm biased.

[Gregorio]

naziing title to "why my job should get herald gaiters"

You should change it to "why the hell can't BRD wear herald gaiters".

BRDs could put those to better use than any of the other jobs that can use it...so time to petition SE!

[Not Kuno]

naziing title to "why my job should get herald gaiters"

You should change it to "why the hell can't BRD wear herald gaiters".

BRDs could put those to better use than any of the other jobs that can use it...so time to petition SE!

Mazurka. Enough said.

[aurik]

Can't use Mazurka in KRT..err...indoors.

[Demetrios]

BRDs get fleetool.exe

[Gregorio]

naziing title to "why my job should get herald gaiters"

You should change it to "why the hell can't BRD wear herald gaiters".

BRDs could put those to better use than any of the other jobs that can use it...so time to petition SE!

Mazurka. Enough said.

I'd rather have some movement speed+ equipment than Mazurka. Mazurka is only useful in a handful of areas. You can't use it in dungeons, it wears off if you hit a mob or get hit, so that completely eliminates any benefits it would have to pulling or kiting. Also, you have to put up with party members saying "Mazurak plz!" constantly, then missing the song and not understanding that there's a 1 min recast on it.

[Not Kuno]

That's still alot better then nothing. We don't get crazy run speed anywhere. Plus even with a bard I hardly ever get mazurka because it's not their job to mazurka me and so they don't care if they hit me with it or not (and they usually don't).

[Okan]

I'm WHM and 68BLM.. I have two jobs that can wear it (Well, I should be 75 be Sunday if I play hardcore... 69 by Thursday night and 69 (Manaburn) to Sunday... Anyway... On point.. I see no point to Herald's Gaiters. They're 100% novelty items.

MNK > haste boots. Fum Sune-Ate (SP?)
BLM and WHM > Rostrum Pumps.
SMN> Well, I can't think of better off the top because I don't know SMN equips, but what point will they serve? Avatars won't keep up. That 10MP won't last for shit with SMN..

Only time I see them viable is as mentioned above.
MNK and WHM only get a "decent" use out of them. WHM to keep up with Crimson legged and night time NINs on kited mobs and MNK to run away from certain kited mobs..

[nivlakian]

MNK > haste boots. Fum Sune-Ate (SP?)
BLM and WHM > Rostrum Pumps.
SMN> Well, I can't think of better off the top because I don't know SMN equips, but what point will they serve? Avatars won't keep up. That 10MP won't last for shit with SMN..

Please stop posting alternative footwear. Equip swap and make both useful.

Only time I see them viable is as mentioned above.
MNK and WHM only get a "decent" use out of them. WHM to keep up with Crimson legged and night time NINs on kited mobs and MNK to run away from certain kited mobs..

MNKs have to run away from things and so do BLMs in some kited fights. You make no real point.



I forgot to mention my LS has a point system and we assign job priorities to items. (Gaiters are WHM|BLM > MNK|SMN) Therefore, a MNK or SMN can potentially get it before WHM or BLM if they have enough points according to rules.


Since no one needs +movement speed (as I'm sure they've done certain kite fights without them... WARs can kite and don't even have +movement) please be sure to share W.Legs with the rest of the community. Thanks.

[Elcura]

Good reason for any job really is solo'ing with nin, switch in Fuma for utsu and switch in heralds for evasion. But for mnk af2, fuma, rse (hume/mithra/taru) are better for most things

[Pro]

blah blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit, Skipped a lot of the crap, the plain and simple fact is that these boots are nothing BUT trophy items. "whoamg whm need it on hnm to cure people oor" "whoamg MNK can flee when boost + Chi blast = Hate!!!" "whoamg BLM can out run mobs after nuking and getting hate" bullshit, BULLSHIIIIIIIIIIIIT.

Trophy Boots, not needed. go for 60~90Million on bismarck, just like Kraken Club. NOT NEEDED, but a luxury item.

If you disagree die~ =)

[Elcura]

blah blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit, Skipped a lot of the crap, the plain and simple fact is that these boots are nothing BUT trophy items. "whoamg whm need it on hnm to cure people oor" "whoamg MNK can flee when boost + Chi blast = Hate!!!" "whoamg BLM can out run mobs after nuking and getting hate" bullshit, BULLSHIIIIIIIIIIIIT.

Trophy Boots, not needed. go for 60~90Million on bismarck, just like Kraken Club. NOT NEEDED, but a luxury item.

If you disagree die~ =)

Maybe if you didn't "skip all the crap" you'd see that many people have said that many times, thank you for dropping by and posting though.

[Okan]

MNK > haste boots. Fum Sune-Ate (SP?)
BLM and WHM > Rostrum Pumps.
SMN> Well, I can't think of better off the top because I don't know SMN equips, but what point will they serve? Avatars won't keep up. That 10MP won't last for shit with SMN..

Please stop posting alternative footwear. Equip swap and make both useful.

Only time I see them viable is as mentioned above.
MNK and WHM only get a "decent" use out of them. WHM to keep up with Crimson legged and night time NINs on kited mobs and MNK to run away from certain kited mobs..

MNKs have to run away from things and so do BLMs in some kited fights. You make no real point.



I forgot to mention my LS has a point system and we assign job priorities to items. (Gaiters are WHM|BLM > MNK|SMN) Therefore, a MNK or SMN can potentially get it before WHM or BLM if they have enough points according to rules.


Since no one needs +movement speed (as I'm sure they've done certain kite fights without them... WARs can kite and don't even have +movement) please be sure to share W.Legs with the rest of the community. Thanks.

To me, as someone mentioned before, it just seems this is "Why my job should get Herald's Gaiters first" thread. I don't think that's the case and I tried to justify it by saying I have two jobs that can wear them. I also plan to level up the other jobs that can wear them actually. Doesn't make me cry about not having them. They're nothing like Noble's Tunic or other more "essential" HNM armors... They're 110% novelty. That is all they are.

[Zigma]

for me, priority is given to whoever gives me 80-100mil first for every pair I get.

[Pro]

blah blah blah blah bullshit bullshit bullshit, Skipped a lot of the crap, the plain and simple fact is that these boots are nothing BUT trophy items. "whoamg whm need it on hnm to cure people oor" "whoamg MNK can flee when boost + Chi blast = Hate!!!" "whoamg BLM can out run mobs after nuking and getting hate" bullshit, BULLSHIIIIIIIIIIIIT.

Trophy Boots, not needed. go for 60~90Million on bismarck, just like Kraken Club. NOT NEEDED, but a luxury item.

If you disagree die~ =)

Maybe if you didn't "skip all the crap" you'd see that many people have said that many times, thank you for dropping by and posting though.

I have no problem restating the obvious, i'll make sure to skip all the crap in every thread again :D

[nivlakian]

I apologize for reviving this, but had to respond.

To me, as someone mentioned before, it just seems this is "Why my job should get Herald's Gaiters first" thread. I don't think that's the case and I tried to justify it by saying I have two jobs that can wear them. I also plan to level up the other jobs that can wear them actually. Doesn't make me cry about not having them. They're nothing like Noble's Tunic or other more "essential" HNM armors... They're 110% novelty. That is all they are.

Of course it turned into a "Why my job should get Herald's Gaiters first" thread. Look at the title... it's about job priority on a particular drop. I answered the OPs question as to what my LS does while others chimed in saying who needs it and who doesn't etc starting an arguement which in the end may influence the OP's judgement and perhaps reconsider certain issues.

Of course you won't cry for not having it, much like when WHMs join HNMLS they often don't come with their own Noble's Tunic yet are able to perform their job just fine. Should I consider a Noble's Tunic a novelty item? I mean, it makes the job easier, but is it needed?

What is and what is not a novelty item is a matter of opinion (or LS's overall opinion). Mine decided to assign a job priority to it based on who we felt could most make use of it even if the select number of situations is small. If another LS decides to simply go by "who deserves it more based on participation" then so be it.

[NynJa]

Noble's Tunic will allow a whm to perform much more efficiently, this is unarguable and undisputable.


Herald's Gaiters will allow a whm to run around jeuno faster. At no point in time will Herald's Gaiters actually affect a fight. Kite Fights are done around a perimeter, and the kiter runs at the farthest distance of this perimeter usually. The whm can cut corners to reach the kiter. Enter the Pythagorean theorem.

[nivlakian]

Not all kite fights.. for instance KS99 KB.

Isn't that the point of getting things? To make you more efficient at your job whether in certain situations or all?

My point was that WHMs have performed their job without having a noble's tunic therefore I wouldn't consider it a necessity. It makes the job easier as do other items.

Edit:
I'm just saying people have tanked hard things without their M.Body, AF2 Surcoat, Defending Ring, Arhats+1, PLDs have kited things without W.Legs... WHMs have healed in tough fights without a noble's tunic... etc etc. I guess they all novelty as they didn't make or break the fight. They still won in the end... do these thing make it more efficient or easier? Yes...