Katanananana

[Ankiseth]

Crit+ is a lot better than enemy crit- if you're a NIN cause well, the point is not to get hit, so the added dmg is sexy.

And yeah, I got 2 Enmity merits before I decided to stop. I have since leveled BLM to 37 and I must say....good God it gets pretty dangerous. Can't thank my girlfriend enough for getting me some Mycophile Cuffs one night while I was sleeping, saved my life quite a few times.

Yeah, never going to get that last enmity merit...

[Genosync]

I play NIN and PLD so I have no fear of upping enmity. I plan to play bard next but I don't think the enmity will be a huge issue.

LOL Start rethinking, right now.

[Janice]

It's only 60k xp. I got -3 emnity and if I ever get around to lvling a tank job, I'll take it off.

[Demetrick]

enmity is one thing I wouldnt merit


it has potential to severly gimp your other jobs if you decide to play healer or DD.

but if you only ever plan on tanking, it'd prob be priceless.

There are enough enmity+ gear out there for nin already. If you are having trouble holding hate without merits, chances are you won't hold it with merits. It would be helpful if you get a couple more from merits but honestly it's not worth gimping your characer.

but you can screw the Enmity gear for something better. I'm not saying I WOULD, but if you ONLY want to be a nin tank or pld, +enmity merits frees up slots that can be replaced with more, nicer things >.>

[threevo]

enmity is one thing I wouldnt merit


it has potential to severly gimp your other jobs if you decide to play healer or DD.

but if you only ever plan on tanking, it'd prob be priceless.

There are enough enmity+ gear out there for nin already. If you are having trouble holding hate without merits, chances are you won't hold it with merits. It would be helpful if you get a couple more from merits but honestly it's not worth gimping your characer.

but you can screw the Enmity gear for something better. I'm not saying I WOULD, but if you ONLY want to be a nin tank or pld, +enmity merits frees up slots that can be replaced with more, nicer things >.>

no it doesnt. it means u can hold hate better than a NIN that doesnt have merits, lets your melee push it a little more and your mages nuke a little harder on the big stuff (tia jorm w/e)

[realraiko]

2 Mamushitos own for Cassie, LoO and things you really need to utsusemi all the time up for. They seem to go off on Cassie like 70% of the time.

Fudos and Senjinruko or w/e is good, but only if you're using haub, flame rings etc(as taru anyway)

[Demetrick]

enmity is one thing I wouldnt merit


it has potential to severly gimp your other jobs if you decide to play healer or DD.

but if you only ever plan on tanking, it'd prob be priceless.

There are enough enmity+ gear out there for nin already. If you are having trouble holding hate without merits, chances are you won't hold it with merits. It would be helpful if you get a couple more from merits but honestly it's not worth gimping your characer.

but you can screw the Enmity gear for something better. I'm not saying I WOULD, but if you ONLY want to be a nin tank or pld, +enmity merits frees up slots that can be replaced with more, nicer things >.>

no it doesnt. it means u can hold hate better than a NIN that doesnt have merits, lets your melee push it a little more and your mages nuke a little harder on the big stuff (tia jorm w/e)

exactly my point.

[Demetrios]

For most HNMs like Tiamat, Jorm, Vrtra, Prudence, Byakko, and Kirin you should probably be using Terra's/Earth Staff anyway>.>

For purely DD in merit point pts use Fudo/Senjseijwfoia;jefwoief

If you still whore out Amemet and low level HNMs go with Stun+1s

[Demetrick]

For most HNMs like Tiamat, Jorm, Vrtra, Prudence, Byakko, and Kirin you should probably be using Terra's/Earth Staff anyway>.>

For purely DD in merit point pts use Fudo/Senjseijwfoia;jefwoief

If you still whore out Amemet and low level HNMs go with Stun+1s

for tanking those mentioned first, would you rather tank with +enimty rings/earrings or +HP and damage reduction and having enmity inborn? arguing again for +enmity merits

[mdn]

For most HNMs like Tiamat, Jorm, Vrtra, Prudence, Byakko, and Kirin you should probably be using Terra's/Earth Staff anyway>.>

For purely DD in merit point pts use Fudo/Senjseijwfoia;jefwoief

If you still whore out Amemet and low level HNMs go with Stun+1s

for tanking those mentioned first, would you rather tank with +enimty rings/earrings or +HP and damage reduction and having enmity inborn? arguing again for +enmity merits

a mix of both is best
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[Squirrels]

For most HNMs like Tiamat, Jorm, Vrtra, Prudence, Byakko, and Kirin you should probably be using Terra's/Earth Staff

who has NINs using Earth Staff on Byakko ... our NINs+PLDs use main weapons

[Demetrios]

For most HNMs like Tiamat, Jorm, Vrtra, Prudence, Byakko, and Kirin you should probably be using Terra's/Earth Staff anyway>.>

For purely DD in merit point pts use Fudo/Senjseijwfoia;jefwoief

If you still whore out Amemet and low level HNMs go with Stun+1s

for tanking those mentioned first, would you rather tank with +enimty rings/earrings or +HP and damage reduction and having enmity inborn? arguing again for +enmity merits

A lot of this depends on your race, but if you have over 1200 or so HP you should probably focus on enmity in the earring slots (+6 if you have HQ,) and HP in your rings. HP rings include things like BQ (+75), Bloodbead (+50), and Sattva (+30?) while the highest you can get in a single HP earring slot is 50 from a Cassie Earring and then 40 from an Intruder earring... but I doubt most Nins have 90 MP to make use of it. As for enmity rings the most you're going to get is 5 in two slots (Mermaid + Sattva) however two Eris Earrings +1 is +6 enmity. Basically: +6 Enmity +125 HP vs +5 enmity +90 HP is what you're looking at.

If you have other pieces of armor like Arhat's Body, Head, Earth staff then it is worth it to use a Jelly ring. Before I got a Defending ring I used Bloodbead / Bomb Queen ring combo a lot, but for mobs where you're taking high physical damage like Aspid, Vrtra, Tiamat, Fafnir, Jormungand, Prudence I think Bomb Queen / Jelly Ring would work well.

If you're a main tank for your LS then of course you should get +3 enmity from merits. That alone may be enough for you to hold hate, but in addition to the +3 from merits I usually run with a +15 enmity from gear on stationary mobs, and +17 on kited mobs.



and because pictures are fun...

For most HNMs like Tiamat, Jorm, Vrtra, Prudence, Byakko, and Kirin you should probably be using Terra's/Earth Staff

who has NINs using Earth Staff on Byakko ... our NINs+PLDs use main weapons

I do?
I've never tried a damage dealing build on Byakko, however if you can't hit for more than 0-10 on your Katanas you're probably better off taking 150 damage instead of 180. It also has a placebo effect on landing Hojo: Ni.

[randomalias]

Senjuinrikio & (unji or ushio)

fast attack, faster TP than Senjuin + Fudo

best Blade: Jin (str and dex on off hand blade)

teh win for DD nin.

[Makochin]

I think you're missing my point. For majority of hnm fights, whether or not you have enmity merits will not make a big difference in the outcome of the battle. You are not going to win a fight with 3 enmity, just like you're not going to lose a fight without 3 enmity, you lose it for all the other reasons. A Nin without enmity merits is more than capable of tanking anything that a nin with enmity merit can tank. I am saying the difference of the result you get w/ w/o merits is not worth the trouble of gimping your character.

[mdn]

If you have other pieces of armor like Arhat's Body, Head, Earth staff then it is worth it to use a Jelly ring. Before I got a Defending ring I used Bloodbead / Bomb Queen ring combo a lot, but for mobs where you're taking high physical damage like Aspid, Vrtra, Tiamat, Fafnir, Jormungand, Prudence I think Bomb Queen / Jelly Ring would work well.

i don't use a jelly ring for anything; to me, 75 or 50 hp is way more beneficial for how little a ninja is actually going to be getting hit than 5% damage reduction.

jorm, for example, i might get hit by twice the entire fight. he never double attacks and is incredibly easy to tank. tiamat i might get hit a few more, but overall, i would much rather have a few more hp. if i had a defending ring, i'd probably use defending ring/bloodbead ring.

i wish there was a better neck piece for hnms though. harmonia's torque is lame

*edit*
in response to the above poster, i have a 75 blm as well as my 75 ninja. i use my ninja for xp, cop wyrms (enmity is a big issue here), and the occasional ground king. many times, we have enough tanks online and i come as blm to fafnir or behemoth, and while the 3 +enmity merits i have might cause me to pull hate a bit earlier, the benefits of having them during things which matter like cop wyrms over things like fafnir makes them worth having.

[Demetrios]

I think you're missing my point. For majority of hnm fights, whether or not you have enmity merits will not make a big difference in the outcome of the battle. You are not going to win a fight with 3 enmity, just like you're not going to lose a fight without 3 enmity, you lose it for all the other reasons. A Nin without enmity merits is more than capable of tanking anything that a nin with enmity merit can tank. I am saying the difference of the result you get w/ w/o merits is not worth the trouble of gimping your character.

This works conversely as well? Does it really matter if a BLM has +3 enmity, 0 enmity, or -3 enmity? If that BLM causes a Spike Flail by nuking Thundaga III for 1,000 damage on Tiamat, one of the problems isn't enmity values it's a matter of crappy tanks and lack of logging off properly? I don't see how +enmity merits are "gimping" your character if they don't significantly matter in the first place. Assuming you have merits to burn on nothing else, you might as well put them in there.

If you're a main tank for your HNMLS you should stack enmity and have enmity merits. If you're not a main tank it's ok to be ambivilent towards it. A main tank's job is to keep hate on Tiamat, not worry about his 2nd job level 52 WHM with +2 enmity merits getting hate in an experience point PT.

wish there was a better neck piece for hnms though. harmonia's torque is lame

I agree it's lame but it's cheap and affordable. Before it was released your only decent HNM neck options were limited to either a Shield Pendant (+20 HP, -20 MP) or an Evasion Torque (+7 Evasion Skill +7 hp.) I'd kill for a -% physical/magic damage taken or haste neck piece.

[Kiro]

Demetrios has some nice gear.

[Makochin]

It is gimping your character because you are going to suffer the disadvantages of having more enmity when you are lvling/playing other jobs that isn't a nin or pld. If you have a level 75 blm and you play that as often as your nin, then why would you want to put yourself in a disadvantage half the time?

Again, 3 enmity is not going to change anything significant. It doesn't mean that you can no longer hold hate on Tiamat if you do not have max enmity merits.

If a tank job is the only job that you are going to play, then I guess it is a good idea to put in enmity+ merits. I think the majority of people will eventually have a 2nd, 3rd, or more jobs that can be used in LS events. I just don't see the point of messing with enmity when it is going to be a disadvantage to your character for a good portion of the time.

[Tyche]

The man is obviously built to tank. There is a threshold with hate. And the more enmity you have, the more your BLMs and Melee can push that threshold. More enmity = more nukes/damage = faster kill = less of your life wasted. That shit adds up too. A little here, and a little there, and poof, you got +15 enmity which is pretty damn significant.

[vudoodoodoo]

BLM w/ -3 enmity can still pull hate of a tank w/ +3 enmity.
You pull hate as a BLM either way. Having +3 enmity merits is not really gimping anything.