WHM Cure V

[Eromenos-Ifrit]

as a taru WHM75 i don't care too much about max mp. Honestly i have about 980mp because i go for max MND over max mp. I'm a total CureV junky. I can tell you without using any meds, food, light day bonuses, or enchantment shit, i get a 858cureV. and with every 1 mnd, it goes up about 2hp i approx. CureV isn't less hate persay than CureIV, but the difference is with what CureIV caps at, i save MP using 1 cureV over 2cureIV, and get less hate since CureIV x2 is more hate than 1 CureV. But MND is the way to go for more reasons than just that.

Like for stoneskin i macro in my errant body instead of aristrocrats, and my kirin pole and shit like that since stoneskin works on this formula:

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Damage Stoneskin absorbs:

F1: ([Enhancing Magic Skill] / 3) + MND when X < 100
F2: {([Enhancing Magic Skill] / 3) + MND} * 2 - 60 when X = 100 - 150
F3: {([Enhancing Magic Skill] / 3) + MND} * 3 - 190 when X > 150

"X" is calculated by

X = ([Enhancing Magic Skill] / 3) + MND + 20

EXAMPLE:

RDM63/BLM31 Tarutaru (53 MND) boosting 29 MND.

X = (222 / 3) + 82 + 20 = 176 ---> Take F3

Stoneskin absorbs: {(222 / 3) + 82} * 3 - 190 = 278 damage

(i would have used my stats instead of the example from a previous thread i pulled this from but i can't remember all the stats with server being down, too stoned lol)
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Your friend should definatly go MND > all, but that's my opinion. Everyone plays thier jobs thier own way. kinda what's fun about this game. But the MND bonus to the uncapped CureV, allowing a whm to enfeeble as good as a RDM when it comes to Exp type mobs (i rarely get resisted on enfeebles for non HNM), and the stoneskin factor, i just don't understand how anyone could not see the benifits of going MND. And honestly i think i save mp with the higher cures using cureV mainly over any other cure (with use of regenIII also) than i would going max mp and blowing through cureIVs lol

[Maguspk]

Eromenos I love you lol

[Nikko]

actually, cure5 hate caps between a full cure2 and a full cure 3. (less than a full cure 3)

Cure 1-4 all give hate proportional to the amount healed, whereas cure5 is a constant which is less than a full cure3. a full cure4 is probably 4-5 times the hate of any cure5.

imo, normally the only circumstances when a whm should use cure4 are, when you want hate, when cure5 is on timer, or when you have less than 135MP.

as far as mp gear goes.. if you are in a pt w/ a brd and a rdm, it is absolutely worthless. You really need almost no +MP gear watsoever, unless ur maybe an elvaan or galka. For pts w/ no refresh, or only a rdm or brd, its a good idea to max ur mp when possible, and switch out gear once is used up.

for serious, long fights, importance for me as a whm is -enmity > cure potency / mnd > max mp

[Eromenos-Ifrit]

haha nice, if i can ever figure out how to get off Ifrit maybe we can have quality moghouse time lol. But i have to give credit to Shadowstalker for giving me that formula like 7 months ago.

[Maguspk]

so according to that formula there really is no cap for stoneskin either, is there? the whm that i referred to at the start of this thread kept saying +mnd is useless because stoneskin caps out for him without any +mnd gear (/doubt) and he thinks mnd doesn't affect any of the cure spells, including cure V, after they reach their "softcap". +mnd is looking better and better, esp if stoneskin has no cap ^^

[DrObvious]

Stoneskin caps at 350.

[Septimus]

Stoneskin caps at 350.

There has been a lot of buzz lately in RDM circles that people are going beyond the stoneskin 350 cap. People want to organize tests against Cactars to see if this is true or not.

[FFXIFlux]

Stoneskin caps at 350.

There has been a lot of buzz lately in RDM circles that people are going beyond the stoneskin 350 cap. People want to organize tests against Cactars to see if this is true or not.

You can test with Fafnir. It's damage is usually very consistent. Fafnir is also a good way to see how much magic defence bonus Shell gives you, how much Phalanx is doing etc. <3 wing.

[Maguspk]

Stoneskin caps at 350.

There has been a lot of buzz lately in RDM circles that people are going beyond the stoneskin 350 cap. People want to organize tests against Cactars to see if this is true or not.

You can test with Fafnir. It's damage is usually very consistent. Fafnir is also a good way to see how much magic defence bonus Shell gives you, how much Phalanx is doing etc. <3 wing.

that is the dumbest idea ever, i'm sorry but wing doesn't do a consistent enough damage to base a cap of stoneskin off, shell however i'm sure could be tested with wing.

[Nikko]

By not consistent enough, you mean always the same?

[layoneil]

Wing has always been consistent for me as long as it's the same Fafnir.

[Maguspk]

By not consistent enough, you mean always the same?

ya

[Septimus]

Stoneskin caps at 350.

There has been a lot of buzz lately in RDM circles that people are going beyond the stoneskin 350 cap. People want to organize tests against Cactars to see if this is true or not.

You can test with Fafnir. It's damage is usually very consistent. Fafnir is also a good way to see how much magic defence bonus Shell gives you, how much Phalanx is doing etc. <3 wing.

Fafnir is not as consistant as a cactaur. No matter how weak or strong the cactaur 1000 needles does a total of 1000 damage, baring damage reductions like Phalanx and equipment. I just need to find someone to go with me to abuse cactars so I can try different amounts of MND and enhancing skill and keep my stoneskin fresh.

[nivlakian]

Stoneskin caps at 350.

There has been a lot of buzz lately in RDM circles that people are going beyond the stoneskin 350 cap. People want to organize tests against Cactars to see if this is true or not.

You can test with Fafnir. It's damage is usually very consistent. Fafnir is also a good way to see how much magic defence bonus Shell gives you, how much Phalanx is doing etc. <3 wing.

Fafnir is not as consistant as a cactaur. No matter how weak or strong the cactaur 1000 needles does a total of 1000 damage, baring damage reductions like Phalanx and equipment. I just need to find someone to go with me to abuse cactars so I can try different amounts of MND and enhancing skill and keep my stoneskin fresh.

I've tried it with a BLM friend a few times, but I suppose one would want to see a RDM do it since their enhancing caps far higher. Anyway, my results:

Taru BLM/RDM MND59+58 (117) Enhancing 200 Absorbed 350 damage
Taru BLM/RDM MND59+60 (119) Enhancing 200 Absorbed 350 damage
Taru BLM/RDM MND59+45 (104) Enhancing 200 Absorbed 326 damage
Hume BLM/RDM MND62+55 (117) Enhancing 207 Absorbed 350 damage

[DrObvious]

Stoneskin caps at 350.

There has been a lot of buzz lately in RDM circles that people are going beyond the stoneskin 350 cap. People want to organize tests against Cactars to see if this is true or not.

I've personally verified it on cactuars where according to the equation I should have absorbed more than 350. No dice.

[Raineer]

Yeah I ran a test showing that it absorbed way more than 350 however this was before it was known that Chevoit Cape is -10% damage at night, so I'm sure I was seeing 50 more absorbed from that.

When you see 1k needles hit you for 460 and you are soloing, you get pretty impressed. More tests will follow, but yeah maybe it's still at 350.

[kearnsy]

No Divine Seal.

With 78+53mind. cure potiency +72%(aristicrats, apollo's, medicine ring, Korin obi, and healing feather). I can get 3 more mind from gear, 4 more from merits, and if I took off the belt and put on p.rope and hoped for the bonus - as well as having bard 2hr mind, and fenrirs buffs for about 30 more? I believe the most hp cured w/o Divine seal is 1500.

[FFXIFlux]

No Divine Seal.

With 78+53mind. cure potiency +72%(aristicrats, apollo's, medicine ring, Korin obi, and healing feather). I can get 3 more mind from gear, 4 more from merits, and if I took off the belt and put on p.rope and hoped for the bonus - as well as having bard 2hr mind, and fenrirs buffs for about 30 more? I believe the most hp cured w/o Divine seal is 1500.

Temenos is double light weather, on light day would be another 20% from belt. Mind potion will give you a LOT of +MND as well.

[Khazz]

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:21 pm

[vudoodoodoo]

Fafnir is not as consistant as a cactaur. No matter how weak or strong the cactaur 1000 needles does a total of 1000 damage, baring damage reductions like Phalanx and equipment. I just need to find someone to go with me to abuse cactars so I can try different amounts of MND and enhancing skill and keep my stoneskin fresh.

Let's go kill Cactrot Rapido and get me an Arco. :D