F**k yea

[Raineer]

In the next update, weapons will summon other weapons at their death for infinite chains.

No they will just reraise weakened.

No other jobs will be required except WAR/NIN

WARs will be also given the magic spell "haste"

[Razz]

I have a question concerning WAR at level 60. What is better to wear Bynie +1 or Haub +1 ?

Haub usually. Byrnie only if you chain VTs and don't have to worry at all about accuracy.

Haub (or in some people's cases, adaman) is the better choice for all mobs because of the DEX bonus, which helps with melee and WS hits.

[Orfeo]

I would go with haub+1, it offers better end game stats and (imo atleast) better exp stats.

As for the NQ wars out there, /check that hume who use to be in jupongatana...um...ya, can't remember his name. Anyway he used a tungi in my last war party with him :s Doesn't have juggy either I think, so no missequip like cocorico does.

Sorry man, youre still cool but ditch the tungi D:

[Aerandir]

Ungeheur is sooooo NQ

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[Amarok]

This guy stole Valkurm Emperor from me once and I am still really pissed about it.

[Kaylia]

3str -3,3dex 20atk
vs
5str, 5dex, 10 atk, 10acc

I don't see any situation where I would take byrnie over haubergeon >_>


If you fight lowbie monster, you won't need haubergeon's acc, but 2 str probably give you a better damage output than 10atk considering their defense will be extremely low.

If you fight VT-IT monsters with high def, I can guarantee you they will also have good evasion. Benefit gained from 10 acc will be far better then 10 atk, especially when you consider TP gain and rampage's accuracy.


Only situation where I would use byrne over haubergeon is to tank EP, but AF1, AF2 or any other body without -evasion would do as well, if not better.


[EDIT]
Mixed +3vit and -3dex

[Xavier]

I agree that in terms of NQ, haub > byrnie. However, byrnie +1, with its 5 str, 5 dex, +25 atk is a really sexy item if you aren't able to get adaman hauberk and accuracy is irrelevant, although I imagine for a lot of people byrnie +1 is about as rare as getting e. body so its not really an issue.

[layoneil]

he was asking about HQ.

NQ is no contest.

[Aerandir]

Both Byrnie and Byrnie +1 is DEX -3, not +3 and +5. So using a haub you'll have 8 more DEX than if you wear Byrnie, 9 if you have haub HQ.

[Kaylia]

I agree that in terms of NQ, haub > byrnie. However, byrnie +1, with its 5 str, 5 dex, +25 atk is a really sexy item if you aren't able to get adaman hauberk and accuracy is irrelevant, although I imagine for a lot of people byrnie +1 is about as rare as getting e. body so its not really an issue.

Didnt see it was about HQ haha. My bad


Yeah, HQ byrnie is really sweet, but it's not something you want in every situation over hauberk+1. Considering the price tag on byrnie (at least on my server), I would rather stick with hauberk all the time.

12acc +6dex + 3dex VS 13 atk - 1str

If you can manage to keep your acc above 85-90%, I guess byrnie win because accuracy return get fugly, but that number isn't that easy to get without body's acc and pimped gear.


I guess byrnie+1 is teh sex for Steel Cyclone, but meh...what kind of war sub thief nowaday :D

[Razz]

Byrnie NQ and HQ do not give any dex bonus, both -3, making haub NQ and HQ the top choice.

[Kaylia]

This thread made me wonder about DEX influence on rampage's critical rate. I use Byakko pant for TP gain and macro AF2 for WS, but would 15 dex be better? I always wanted to parse both, but WS parsing is teh suck, not to mention I'm extremly lazy.

Byrnie NQ and HQ do not give any dex bonus, both -3, making haub NQ and HQ the top choice.

Yeah, made a mistake in my first post. I was sure byrnie was -3vit and +3dex.

[Serif]

Has anyone tested to see how high of an Accuracy Boost Agressor gives ? Seeing how I thought I read about 3min time Agressor is up and 2minutes it is down. I thought that would help more in the idea of a Byrnie +1.

Would you reccomend a NIN to use Byrnie +1 or SH +1 ? At that level of course.

[Zetah]

Byrnie is better for nin EXP. Pre-75 I don't think we do very good damage, and hit fairly low, so 20 attack can help it reach higher numbers more often.

But what do I know, I exp'd nin in ninja chainmail --> arhat's gi nq --> arhat's gi +1 at 70.

[aurik]

Haub only for ninja merit. Fuck evasion, unless you're leveling with pure gimps you won't be holding consistent hate.

Edit: pre-merit, I'm tempted to say SH since people always fight shit that's way too hard and you'll need both the evasion and the accuracy.

[Serif]

Haub only for ninja merit. Fuck evasion, unless you're leveling with pure gimps you won't be holding consistent hate.

So you would do Haub over Osode in Ninja Merits ?

Sorry for all the questions. I just have an obsession with the Byrnie +1. Wanting it bad for some reason. I was contemplating on leveling NIN or WAR as my next job. That armor is kinda helping me decide which one :\

I am a dumbass. I sold my Haub +1 a while back. Since my SAM really didn't need it anymore. Sold it for 6mil and now it is up to 11mil :\ Byrnie +1 is 20mil on my server too

[Zetah]

If I had an Osode I think I'd use that. 10 DEX and 10 STR along with 10 AGL is pretty hot, and Osode essentially has 5 acc, 5 evasion, 5 attack etc.

[Serif]

My thing with Byrnie +1 on NINs is I am only going to do like a Static PT. Well since most random pick up parties suck the big one. Would consist of a NIN (Myself), BRD and a Debuffer. I heard that NINs get really lazy when you have Slow and Elegy on the mob. Also if the BRD plays Madrigal and Minuet unless you go Sushi with 2 Minuet. Would the Byrnie +1 be a better choice than lets say SH +1 ?

[Nny]

If you're with a BRD, use Haubergeon. No substitutions pre-osode. Carnage Elegy is just too powerful (Hell, I tanked up to 74 as a WAR with just :Ichi and got hit only a couple times a fight AT MOST. Leveling NIN with 4 more shadows was child's play), there's absolutely no need for evasion if there's a BRD in the PT. Go full out offense.

And don't overestimate accuracy. lv75 != lower levels, expecially 60+ when 1) you need to fight higher level mobs to get the same EXP as before 2) NIN's A- in katana starts to show. Even with basically every accuracy available with Sushi, I still normally only had around a 80% hit rate (Parsed, not "felt").

And Aggressor is +25 ACC AFAIK.

[aurik]

Interesting, Focus is +20 acc without temple crown boost, 30 acc with, which makes it stronger than aggressor after 56.