Jailer of Love - Pandemonium Server

[Samis]

because what you said is like going to the moral majority as a white nerd loser and saying "ay yo trip, banging bitches and getting blazed in the VIP after having shot up that club down on 24th and carmichael is mad fun. fuck you for opposing it"

wtf ru talking about?

the people you're addressing are strongly opposed to your ideas, which arent even within your scope of experience. in our case, if we want impossible challenges we'll join mensa. if we want to have fun and overcome surmountable managerial strategic and mental challenges with lots of effort for nice rewards, we'll play MMOs (but obviously not FFXI)

My ideas? that a really fucking hard, maybe impossible boss is a cool end of one of the best MMORPG games?

and what? so thats it? throw in the towel the first day of the first pop... u fuggin guys... sorry for some optimism in a thread full of "Oh fuck SE bla bla bla..".

[Sekkite]

Can the DRK's stop talking about all their DRKiness? I know you want to make DRK feel special, but it just ain't going to happen.

I don't believe your input was ever asked for.

[Onizuka]

Possibly he summons a wyvern per job in game. Once that job is finished, he summons the next job that hasn't been summoned. Once you push all Wyvern down, he has nothing left to summon?

15 Jobs.. 15 Wyvrens.....

[Sekkite]

because what you said is like going to the moral majority as a white nerd loser and saying "ay yo trip, banging bitches and getting blazed in the VIP after having shot up that club down on 24th and carmichael is mad fun. fuck you for opposing it"

wtf ru talking about?

[quote:2fc8a]the people you're addressing are strongly opposed to your ideas, which arent even within your scope of experience. in our case, if we want impossible challenges we'll join mensa. if we want to have fun and overcome surmountable managerial strategic and mental challenges with lots of effort for nice rewards, we'll play MMOs (but obviously not FFXI)

My ideas? that a really fucking hard, maybe impossible boss is a cool end of one of the best MMORPG games?

and what? so thats it? throw in the towel the first day of the first pop... u fuggin guys... sorry for some optimism in a thread full of "Oh fuck SE bla bla bla..".[/quote:2fc8a]

It takes months to farm the pop items even needed to get a chance to pop this NM. There is no 'save point' right before it pops. If a group looses to it, they would of wasted months of time farming pop items. I don't know about you, but I value my time. And I'm sure many people value theirs.

[Samis]

no ones making u fight it. its just a cool end imo. debate all u want.

[berticus]

because what you said is like going to the moral majority as a white nerd loser and saying "ay yo trip, banging bitches and getting blazed in the VIP after having shot up that club down on 24th and carmichael is mad fun. fuck you for opposing it"

wtf ru talking about?

the people you're addressing are strongly opposed to your ideas, which arent even within your scope of experience.

My ideas? that a really fucking hard, maybe impossible boss is a cool end of one of the best MMORPG games?

and what? so thats it? throw in the towel the first day of the first pop... u fuggin guys... sorry for some optimism in a thread full of "Oh fuck SE bla bla bla..".

you go ahead and keep farming your 12 NMs that all drop great loot and take no more than 30 mins to pop/kill for an incredibly rewarding kirin and start posting this kind of bs when you've killed 40+ to pop one jailer of love.

[Orfeo]

18BST dd's with an alliance of healers/tanks waiting to hold if they wipe with level 100 cooks pumping out CC's and another alliance or two of BST's to fill in between CB timers?

With capped CB merits, naturally.

[Demetrios]

So who wants to bet the answer to killing AV is 48 BLMs.

[Samis]

you go ahead and keep farming your 12 NMs that all drop great loot and take no more than 30 mins to pop/kill for an incredibly rewarding kirin and start posting this kind of bs when you've killed 40+ to pop one jailer of love.

pulling the elite card always works. doesnt change the fact a monster who appears invinvible and is shaking the FF community upside down(good and baD) exists and i think its cool lol.

Sounds like u wanna rip someone pretty bad when they say they like the idea of a monster like this because you lost time and effort.

Sorry ur butt hurts the jp's beat u to it.

because what you said is like going to the moral majority as a white nerd loser and saying "ay yo trip, banging bitches and getting blazed in the VIP after having shot up that club down on 24th and carmichael is mad fun. fuck you for opposing it"

oh yea...
wtf ru talking about?

[Pyrena]

Why did SE put melee jobs in the game? My LS starts sky farming this week, we have a long way to go but I'm cheering the ones that are already there on. Good luck!

[berticus]

i'm going to call 48 and raise you 96.

[divisortheory]

It takes months to farm the pop items even needed to get a chance to pop this NM. There is no 'save point' right before it pops. If a group looses to it, they would of wasted months of time farming pop items. I don't know about you, but I value my time. And I'm sure many people value theirs.

The obvious solution then would be to simply throw in the towel on Al'Taieu gods. If the rewards aren't worth it to you, don't go after them. If you get to Absolute Virtue and wipe, well idk what to say other than oh well. They are worth it to some people, and those people will most likely pioneer a strategy for defeating Absolute Virtue.

If all FFXI boils down to for you is having pre-determined 100% win strategies for every mob in the game just so that you can equip some new item which doesn't really help you anyway since you only fight mobs which you had a 100% win strategy for even before you had this cool new item, then just accept that that's what the game is to you, move on, forget about Absolute Virtue, and go back to killing the 3 kings. If you value your time more than you value an Aureole, a Futsu no mitama, or a Novia earring, then move on and forget about Absolute Virtue. Apparently, just like relic weapons, these items simply are meant for only a select few people in the game. If that's not acceptable to you, take the stance than many already have adpoted with upgraded relic weapons and forget about ever having one, and move on to things that interest you more in the game.

If on the other hand the items are worth it to you, then you have no reason to complain about a monster being hard because you determined beforehand that you are willing to accept the time consuming nature of farming the pops and possibly wiping to any of the Jailers or Absolute Virtue and losing months worth of pops. If you don't agree to that, just don't go after them. Either it's worth it to you, or it's not. Make a decision.

[berticus]

you go ahead and keep farming your 12 NMs that all drop great loot and take no more than 30 mins to pop/kill for an incredibly rewarding kirin and start posting this kind of bs when you've killed 40+ to pop one jailer of love.

pulling the elite card always works. doesnt change the fact a monster who appears invinvible and is shaking the FF community upside down(good and baD) exists and i think its cool lol.

Sounds like u wanna rip someone pretty bad when they say they like the idea of a monster like this because you lost time and effort.

Sorry ur butt hurts the jp's beat u to it.

lmfao.. im very very very glad we didnt kill this first. spending so much effort - effort that you have no idea whatsoever about in this game - to get absolutely nothing is asking for pain.

anyway, i dont know what you mean by "rip," but yes, i'll disagree with someone who tries to argue what my group is going up against should be impossible, while theyre killing nothing harder than kirin.

[Not Kuno]

SE needs to stop adding in Dynamis Lord esque mobs in non dynamis areas. Needing a fkton more then 18 people for any non dynamis encounter is bad game design, as bert probably already said prevously.

[Grumpy]

Possibly he summons a wyvern per job in game. Once that job is finished, he summons the next job that hasn't been summoned. Once you push all Wyvern down, he has nothing left to summon?

15 Jobs.. 15 Wyvrens.....

Probably not, each of them were casting Tier IV and -ga III nukes. It's funny, they also did Frost Breath a few times also.

Pretty much AV does everything, but it could be possible the wyvans have some connection to it. I could've swore it was AV that Mijin'ed my ass for 4000 damage, and I didn't see the wynav do it. I could be wrong, since alot of stuff were happening, and I was busy taking screenshots. Oh, it was funny when AV used Maiden's Virelai and charmed people with that.


Also remember, they CFH'ed on AV just to see what can be done. With literally the whole zone attacking it.. It got down to 98% hp, and regened that back to 100% pretty much right away. I'm going to have to say that it's HP regen rate *has* to be higher than JoL.

[Janice]

Possibly he summons a wyvern per job in game. Once that job is finished, he summons the next job that hasn't been summoned. Once you push all Wyvern down, he has nothing left to summon?

15 Jobs.. 15 Wyvrens.....

Probably not, each of them were casting Tier IV and -ga III nukes. It's funny, they also did Frost Breath a few times also.

Pretty much AV does everything, but it could be possible the wyvans have some connection to it. I could've swore it was AV that Mijin'ed my ass for 4000 damage, and I didn't see the wynav do it. I could be wrong, since alot of stuff were happening, and I was busy taking screenshots. Oh, it was funny when AV used Maiden's Virelai and charmed people with that.


Also remember, they CFH'ed on AV just to see what can be done. With literally the whole zone attacking it.. It got down to 98% hp, and regened that back to 100% pretty much right away. I'm going to have to say that it's HP regen rate *has* to be higher than JoL.

Don't forget that people were saying that JoL needed some specific strat to beat. People came up with all sorts of things to try and what worked?...

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30 BLM and skillchains.

[Septimus]

you go ahead and keep farming your 12 NMs that all drop great loot and take no more than 30 mins to pop/kill for an incredibly rewarding kirin and start posting this kind of bs when you've killed 40+ to pop one jailer of love.

pulling the elite card always works. doesnt change the fact a monster who appears invinvible and is shaking the FF community upside down(good and baD) exists and i think its cool lol.

Sounds like u wanna rip someone pretty bad when they say they like the idea of a monster like this because you lost time and effort.

Sorry ur butt hurts the jp's beat u to it.

I think that only my special blend of 11 cynicisms and spices can properly convey why Sea sucks.

If you have never fought Jailers, then you have no clue what we are talking about when we say "lost time and effort".

Many of the ??? spots where you pop mobs that drop items to pop other mobs move around. Not just around the same room, but often times 4 or 5 places spread out all over a map. You have to run your alliance of people to that spot and pray that it doesn't move before you get there. If it does move, good luck finding it again and getting everyone there on time. Once you do get everyone there and fight the mob, then you need to pray that it drops the item that you use to pop the next mob, because there is a 50% (or more) chance that it will not. So then you need to farm the item to pop the mob again, and then get your alliance to the pop spot before once more. And did I mention that some of them require multiple items to pop?

So once you have that set of pop items, time to pop the second tier of Jailer. These are much simpler since they don't move around. But oh wait, there is a 50% (or more) chance that they won't drop the item you need to go on. Well, looks like you need to farm another HQ organ and two more pop items that work in the method that I stated above, so once more you have to get multiple pops since they are not 100% drops.

So now after a few score of pop item runs and you have the items to pop J. Lo, you assemble your team of 12905469754 Black Mages to kill it, then here comes Absolute Virtue that casts Sodomiga MCXLXIV on your group killing everyone and wasting about a billion man-hours of work to get there.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

Or instead you can go to sky, get all of your pop items in 3 hours, kill the lesser Shinra, then go kill Kirin all on a weekend day.

[tiberion02]

Sept baby, dont forget the Ix Aerns which require everyone in the alliance to not be afk and pop it as soon as you get a designated message which appears to be 100% random and STILL is only a 30-50% droprrate.

[Seii]

SE was just fucking cruel to make a monster like AV pop on top of a monster that took 4 hours alone to beat with 28+ Blms and 60~70 members total of pimped out gear.

Without the Relic horn, I'm not even sure how they could have sustained their damage on JoL. The Blms were litterally chain nuking JoL for nearly the whole fight, unless they were dead.

There does seem a trick to beating JoL though. His elemental absorbtion did change diferent elements during the fight, and by the end Mumumu was avoiding calling out elements that were being absorbed and avoiding them (for example Blizzard was a very popular element, but at one point everyone began casting fire and aero only and avoiding Blizzard untill the next TP move).

Like I said before, AV popping on top of JoL is just cruel...

Btw: SC's really were not the determining factor to his defeat. All their SC's either didnt go off, got only 1~3 MB's, or the Blms got entirely resisted anyway--3 MB'd Thunder IV for 46 dmg. They were also so few and far between that they were more of a entertaining series of light shows then real source of damage.

[Demetrios]

Hmm...

From the .dat files

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Absolute Virtue ì
Aern's Wynav í
Aern's Wynav î
Aern's Wynav ï
Aern's Wynav ð
Aern's Wynav ñ
Aern's Wynav

There are only six unique Wynavs. If there were 15 Wyverns each based on a job in the game, there would be 15 entries. It's probably like Ix'Aern DRG where if you kill one, it's simply resummoned ad nauseum.