Jailer of Love - Pandemonium Server

[Tyrath]

So if AV can use all 2hrs, I assume he uses Benediction when he gets low? O_o

Didnt really feel like reading all 22 pages so forgive me if its been mentioned

[Bunshinagain]

Regardless, I do know that 40 BLM just got fucking destroyed by Absolute Virtue, and since getting fucking destroyed probably doesn't happen in an optimal kill strategy, I'm using common sense to determine that there's probably a better route.

The BLMs were destroyed because they were caught by surprise.. u saw the movie, it took them about 2min after AV popped to realize wtf was going on. Then, when the BLM reraised and tried again, im sure they were never at fullpower and as strong as they were when they first came in.

[Arvin]

Cravy, stop posting. You're retarded.

[Surealistic]

just a thought, but seeing as drg is the most hated job in the hnm community and SE is basically laughing at all the ls's that ostrisised(sp) drg's by having what is apparently the toughest mob in the game a drg (you gotta admit its kinda funny) and the jailor of love dropping the halibert(sp) maybe drg is the key

and since stun apparently doesnt work, a couple of full koenig pld's with tatami shields and dragon killer earrings, with hrotti swords might be able to kick in a few intimidations (better than nothing)



and lets get off the bitching about whose where and what not, does absolutely no good for anyone involved

[Ricardon]

Ok so first Cravy calls a guy a fucking idiot. Gets owned. Tones it down and instead calls the next guy a piece of work. Gets owned. Maybe he'll shut the fuck up now. Will you keep posting on the boards after you quit...again...for the thirteenth time?

I've read every post in the thread, been refreshing it since it was posted lol. It surprises me that nobody has argued against the killing all of the wyverns strategy. To me, at this point in the discussion, this seems like the strategy that has the least amount of flaws. Actually, I don't know if there are any flaws...we just don't know if it would work, and I'm not sure if people are willing to risk their pops to test it. I think it's a great idea. But fuck you SE for making it require 3 months of work to test out. Put some money on these mobs at least, because it just sucks more than anything to farm for 4 f'ing hours to pop a mob that drops absolutely nothing.

[Arvin]

I can only see like two things that can possibly take him down a notch:

1. Killing all the wynavs making him vulnerable to stuff, or deactivating his 2hours and whatnot.(vanguard dragons/DL style of invincibility) Maybe have an outside ally grab and CFH the wyverns like Kirin and the Guards.

2. Somehow, jailer weapons do some hidden dispelling effects within them, though this one sounds kind of retardedish.

[Varnx]

Oh yay! We've killed all his Wyvrens so he can't use his 2hrs anymore!....oh wait, he can still wipe an alliance with one spell that can't be stunned....

[Nikko]

Like when Jormungand has blood weapon on and hits a Paladin for 450 damage Addition effect: 450 HP drained from xxxxxxxPLD. That PLD loses 900HP not 450

lol wtf?? have u ever fought jormungand? Bloodweapon converts dmg done into HP.. not too hard to understand. PLD loses 450hp btw



Concerning AV, seems like chaos because of the ammount of DMG he puts out and the unexpected popping, but i wonder how much % you could do with just a 8-12BLM thundaga3 MB? if he has 100k HP, 12 x 600 on MB is 7200, so maybe 7 % in one go.. of course its still meaningless if you cant survive his awesome dmg output, or if he regen's it back in 45 seconds.

[Arvin]

Oh yay! We've killed all his Wyvrens so he can't use his 2hrs anymore!....oh wait, he can still wipe an alliance with one spell that can't be stunned....

Never thought of the possibility that his immunity to spells weakens if they die?

Ever heard of an open mind?

[Coco]

What about having a fresh main alliance and a fresh adds alliance waiting for when JoL goes down? Might take a 2 or 3 LS alliance, but it would still be worth a try, not to mention convenient to have that many people with full HP and MP ready to tackled AV as soon as he rears his ugly head... Flame on.

[divisortheory]

I thought about the Wyvern thing, but didn't I read that he just resummons them immediately if you kill them? Maybe it's Dynamis Lord style though, where you have to kill them all simultaneously lol.

[GRT]

since you can't silence it by using a spell, is it possible to have a couple of thieves with Garuda daggers to silence it with added effect?

[Arvin]

I thought about the Wyvern thing, but didn't I read that he just resummons them immediately if you kill them? Maybe it's Dynamis Lord style though, where you have to kill them all simultaneously lol.

Probably, I thought demet mentioned there were 6 seperate wynav dat files for absolute virtue? I dunno, if they're seperate or the same one. But if they're different ones, killing each one might do something, or it might recycle through. -__________- that would suck.

[Marcatil]

Just throwing this out of the blue, but perhaps maybe AV's strength is determined by how JoL is killed? After all, they super-nuked JoL to death, seems AV did the same thing to them :3

[Seii]

I guess I should've mentioned, the Wyverns are pretty easy to take out with a couple Blms at the helm.

I killed one of them with a Thundaga III that hit them as well during the CFH stage of this craziness it dealt 463 damage to Absolute virtue and 766 to each of the 2 Wyverns. Obviously the Wyverns werent too happy with this, so one of them came over to pay me a little visit after. I busted out manafont and threw another Thundaga III at him since recast had since finished while I kited AV wildly. The result of this attack was 980 damage to the Wyvern which knocked off roughly 20~30% of it's HP in one go, then I followed up with a Drain for 320 damage, so by this point he was pretty low-- but I was bust, so that was it for me.

They could also be kited, which apeared quite easy though stressful, around the bushes in the South side of the pop area in singles. A ninja was able to kite a single Wyvern in this way for about 5 minutes before he was on AV's hate list and PWNED.

In conclusion, kiting or killing the Wyvern pets seems very doable!

[Isildur]

I think the wyvern idea is a pretty sound theory, notice someone said he only had 3 up at any given time, but when they killed 1 he just resummoned another. Maybe killing them until he runs out (6-15) would dispel his stupid regen or at least make him weaker? I guess only time will tell, fuck SE for making such an overpowered piece of shit. And when it does get killed for the first time, you know its gonna be some crap like "You find a Wind Cluster on the Absolute Virtue."


If the wyvern thing doesnt work just send in 80 DRGs to spam Ancient Circle on him, maybe he'll fall to the ground.

[Rawk]

You keep killing the Wynavs until the Alastor Wynav pops and then you kill it for the Rostrum Sin.

[Delekii]

A few notes:

1. The Wynav's are not particular jobs - they all use multiple job abilities like AV did. They all cast BLM spells, I assume they all cast WHM spells (banishga3, holy I saw), one Mijin Gakured, etc etc. They arent related to jobs.

2. You dont understand just how untouchable he was. 1000damage moved his HP bar for a miniscule portion of a second, and there was NINETY SIX people in the zone when he was Call for helped, his hp bar only just made it to 98%.

I saw bind, grav, para, silence, elegy, slow, requiem all resist. Most of them more than once, on both AV and wynavs.

If you aggro AV and there is anyone in your party and within a slightly larger than visible distance, AV kills not only you, but your entire party and alliance within range. You dont have to touch him yourself.

Im not 100% about this but I want to say that the Wynavs link hate with AV - they will share the same target.. not 100% about this, but basically anyone with hate dies so fast its not funny. Even if you dont get lucky enough to eat instant 2.5k Tornado2 or 1500 Aeroga4, 4 mobs who do that much melee damage rape anyone faster than the wynavs can be delt with.


Edit: oh yeah... the wynav's are not Virelai'able

[Ricardon]

Oh yay! We've killed all his Wyvrens so he can't use his 2hrs anymore!....oh wait, he can still wipe an alliance with one spell that can't be stunned....

Not really much different than Kirin if you think about it though, right? I mean Astral Flow can take out the alliance. Only thing is, Kirin won't AF you twice unless you suck and take 2 hours to kill it lol. And Kirin without summoned mini-gods is a joke now. I watched an LS get in trouble the other day (freak shit happened to everyone) and they had all four gods out at once...lol...and they recovered and still beat him in a reasonable amount of time considering.

Yeah, I see your point, but I don't know why I'm stuck on killing all the wyverns. Someone earlier made a comment about discussions that lead to the best the strategies generally tend to lean toward the one with the least amount of flaws. At this point, who knows lol. I still think that those of us who have experienced sea, and the INSANE amount of hours required to pop one freakin' tier one jailer are less discouraged by the fact that that it seems so difficult to beat. We are absolutely appalled by the fact that we can't simply test out new strategies -in a sane amount of time- until something works. I mean, a couple of weeks til next pop, cool, a month...hmm ok, but the way it is now? I don't think anyone that is up there in force is afraid of the grunt work, but it's just sooooo shitty that it could take another 6 months before anyone figures something out...MEH!

[Arvin]

A few notes:

1. The Wynav's are not particular jobs - they all use multiple job abilities like AV did. They all cast BLM spells, I assume they all cast WHM spells (banishga3, holy I saw), one Mijin Gakured, etc etc. They arent related to jobs.

2. You dont understand just how untouchable he was. 1000damage moved his HP bar for a miniscule portion of a second, and there was NINETY SIX people in the zone when he was Call for helped, his hp bar only just made it to 98%.

I saw bind, grav, para, silence, elegy, slow, requiem all resist. Most of them more than once, on both AV and wynavs.

If you aggro AV and there is anyone in your party and within a slightly larger than visible distance, AV kills not only you, but your entire party and alliance within range. You dont have to touch him yourself.

Im not 100% about this but I want to say that the Wynavs link hate with AV - they will share the same target.. not 100% about this, but basically anyone with hate dies so fast its not funny. Even if you dont get lucky enough to eat instant 2.5k Tornado2 or 1500 Aeroga4, 4 mobs who do that much melee damage rape anyone faster than the wynavs can be delt with.

Yeah. <_< if theres no trick to this guy, SE is gonna have to bust out the nerf stick on him to make it a bit possible to kill lol.