Jailer of Love - Pandemonium Server

[divisortheory]

I can't help but think that people are going about this the wrong way. The development team can beat all these monsters with their team of "thirty to forty people". Non development team cannot. It seems like the general strategy people employ when fighting something crazy like this is just throw as many BLM as you possibly can at it. Maybe that's the problem. We know SE has been hinted at nerfing BLMs for a while, maybe these mobs are specifically designed with some weird property that if you throw a shit load of BLM at it, you'll get fucking owned.

If thats the case then that NM will be unbeatable. If something has spams circlular-area wide AOEs and can't be beat with mass BLMs and ranger can't deal all the damage, then it is just unbeatable with how the player base knows how to kill stuff.

So start experimenting them. Nidhogg spams circular wide AoEs and people beat him every 3-7 days. Fafnir does it on a lesser scale and people beat him -every- day. "OMG the mob has AoE" is not a valid reason to send in the 40 man strong BLM squad. The reason (understandably) is that people don't want to die and lose their chance. It's obviously beatable or the development team wouldn't have beaten him.

But somehow I think giving him an alliance wide draw in on par with King Vinegaroon's would not make him -any- harder to beat, assuming you knew what strategy the development team were using.

[Sekkite]

I can't help but think that people are going about this the wrong way. The development team can beat all these monsters with their team of "thirty to forty people". Non development team cannot. It seems like the general strategy people employ when fighting something crazy like this is just throw as many BLM as you possibly can at it. Maybe that's the problem. We know SE has been hinted at nerfing BLMs for a while, maybe these mobs are specifically designed with some weird property that if you throw a shit load of BLM at it, you'll get fucking owned.

If thats the case then that NM will be unbeatable. If something has spams circlular-area wide AOEs and can't be beat with mass BLMs and ranger can't deal all the damage, then it is just unbeatable with how the player base knows how to kill stuff.

So start experimenting them. Nidhogg spams circular wide AoEs and people beat him every 3-7 days. Fafnir does it on a lesser scale and people beat him -every- day. "OMG the mob has AoE" is not a valid reason to send in the 40 man strong BLM squad. The reason (understandably) is that people don't want to die and lose their chance. It's obviously beatable or the development team wouldn't have beaten him.

But somehow I think giving him an alliance wide draw in on par with King Vinegaroon's would not make him -any- harder to beat, assuming you knew what strategy the development team were using.

His circular wide AOEs don't one shot everyone it hits(spike flail excluded).

[Alina]

So start experimenting them. Nidhogg spams circular wide AoEs and people beat him every 3-7 days. Fafnir does it on a lesser scale and people beat him -every- day. "OMG the mob has AoE" is not a valid reason to send in the 40 man strong BLM squad. The reason (understandably) is that people don't want to die and lose their chance. It's obviously beatable or the development team wouldn't have beaten him.

But somehow I think giving him an alliance wide draw in on par with King Vinegaroon's would not make him -any- harder to beat, assuming you knew what strategy the development team were using.

It's hard to recover from instant cast Meteor that does 1200-2000+ damage to everyone. Even Aeroga IV did a shiton of damage, and its instant cast too.

[divisortheory]

Dynamis Lord's do, and people kill him. You're going to respond "Dynamis Lord doesn't have insane regen" now, but it doesn't really matter because I'm not claiming to know the optimal strategy for killing JoL or AV, I'm just stating that one almost certainly exists, and it obviously isn't 40 BLM.

[divisortheory]

It's hard to recover from instant cast Meteor that does 1200-2000+ damage to everyone. Even Aeroga IV did a shiton of damage, and its instant cast too.

Is he Aspirable? 20 RDM/BLM Chainspell Aspiring would knock off a shitload of MP. This would fail if he regens MP, but if he doesn't it would own him. Of course, this might fail for whatever reason, but the point I'm trying to make is that you don't just throw in the towel and say "fuck it he's impossible". You analyze what the problem was and try to find a solution.

[layoneil]

Dynamis Lord's do, and people kill him. You're going to respond "Dynamis Lord doesn't have insane regen" now, but it doesn't really matter because I'm not claiming to know the optimal strategy for killing JoL or AV, I'm just stating that one almost certainly exists, and it obviously isn't 40 BLM.

the proper response is Dynamis Lord can be stunned.

with AE, you either prevent it from happening, stun it, kite it so it doesn't happen or if it's not a big AE (wing), take it and recover.

seems you can't do any of those here.

[divisortheory]

Dynamis Lord's do, and people kill him. You're going to respond "Dynamis Lord doesn't have insane regen" now, but it doesn't really matter because I'm not claiming to know the optimal strategy for killing JoL or AV, I'm just stating that one almost certainly exists, and it obviously isn't 40 BLM.

the proper response is Dynamis Lord can be stunned.

with AE, you either prevent it from happening, stun it, kite it so it doesn't happen or if it's not a big AE (wing), take it and recover.

seems you can't do any of those here.

Chainspell + Aspir x20 might fall under that category. But then again it might not, depending on whether or not he has MP regen.

[Not Kuno]

Regular Aerns have MP regen. So that means theres a really really good chance that the NMs would have them too.

[divisortheory]

Does JoL use Stripga?

[Coco]

Does JoL use Stripga?

O_o;;;;;;;;;;;; wtf

[Alina]

I didn't see it. But with about 100 people there, it was hard to see much of anything. Plus I took a nap for about 3 hours (after they fought it for an hour and got it down to 93% life and it regened to 100%), and when I woke up it was at ~15% life.

[Coco]

teh n00b asks what is stripga? >.>;;;

[divisortheory]

If it can be confirmed that JoL doesn't use Stripga, it would lend more credibility to AV not having MP regen even though its non NM counterpart does. The only way to really find out though is to pop him again and test it. If only my LS gave two shits about sea gods /sigh

Coco, regular Yovra mobs use a move (don't remember the exact name) that removes the armor of everyone around it. I was just asking to make an analogy about regular mobs having some property that the NM counterpart doesn't have.

[Coco]

regular Yovra mobs use a move (don't remember the exact name) that removes the armor of everyone around it.

That..... is..... sick.....

[edgarfigaro]

Yeah, 20 rdm/blm chainspelling aspir...

Rdm casts aspir
Rdm aspirs 2 mp from AV

repeat, repeat, repeat...

Nice try, thanks for coming, goodbye now.

[Drinhkinn]

(don't remember the exact name).

Torrential Torment

[layoneil]

Aspiring a mob to no MP can't be part of the designed strat.

people did it to Kirin back in the day too but now we obviously know that it's totally unnecessary.

[Drinhkinn]

Aspiring a mob to no MP can't be part of the designed strat.

people did it to Kirin back in the day too but now we obviously know that it's totally unnecessary.

What holds true for Kirin doesn't hold true to AV, totaly different approach.

Kirin doesn't insta-cast his spells, nor spams them.

[divisortheory]

Yeah, 20 rdm/blm chainspelling aspir...

Rdm casts aspir
Rdm aspirs 2 mp from AV

repeat, repeat, repeat...

Nice try, thanks for coming, goodbye now.

lol it's unfortunate that your attempt at being a being clever only resulted in showing that you're nothing more than an idiot trying to be clever.

a) Did you personally try it or see anyone try it?
b) Do you know exactly how much MP AV has?
c) Were you aware that Meteor is listed as 1MP in the DAT, so if SE gave him an MP pool of say, 500 it would be more than sufficient to give him Meteors for 8-10 hours time?

Sorry I fail to see how you have given any evidence whatsoever refuting my idea. But if you do find something that can reasonbly be construed as constructive evidence, feel free to let me know. Otherwise gtfo so people can try to figure out how to beat him instead of getting into a competition to see who can find the cleverest way of shooting the other person down in an effort to enlarge their e-Ego.

[TheLegendaryCravy]

I can't help but think that people are going about this the wrong way. The development team can beat all these monsters with their team of "thirty to forty people". Non development team cannot. It seems like the general strategy people employ when fighting something crazy like this is just throw as many BLM as you possibly can at it. Maybe that's the problem. We know SE has been hinted at nerfing BLMs for a while, maybe these mobs are specifically designed with some weird property that if you throw a shit load of BLM at it, you'll get fucking owned.

If thats the case then that NM will be unbeatable. If something has spams circlular-area wide AOEs and can't be beat with mass BLMs and ranger can't deal all the damage, then it is just unbeatable with how the player base knows how to kill stuff.

So start experimenting them. Nidhogg spams circular wide AoEs and people beat him every 3-7 days. Fafnir does it on a lesser scale and people beat him -every- day. "OMG the mob has AoE" is not a valid reason to send in the 40 man strong BLM squad. The reason (understandably) is that people don't want to die and lose their chance. It's obviously beatable or the development team wouldn't have beaten him.

But somehow I think giving him an alliance wide draw in on par with King Vinegaroon's would not make him -any- harder to beat, assuming you knew what strategy the development team were using.

comparing Lv85-90 kings to a Lv100+ NM that uses all 15 two hours and casts teir 4ga and teir 5 spells insantly with chainspell including meteor is stupid. your logic is flawed.