December update

[edgarfigaro]

Wow, on sylph BLMs do this a lot, and only get 15%(3%each) @@;

5 blms getting 3% of crap drops? that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I think you mistaken, and 4 blms get 15% a piece, for 60% of the cut. That sounds alot more reasonable. I know my group is 10% of the 4 big items (D and O ingot, D cloth, and V claw) per blm for 40% of the cut, but we only go every 2 weeks or so, and do it for friends. The other two groups charge 15% and 20% per blm, but they go more often than us and have a regular clientele.

And Septimus, thank you.

[Nighty]

This was taken from MisterBob thread entitled New SE interview. It says they will not nerf BLMs but something will be done with mobs most likely...

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pa...=1&cId=3145765

1UP: Raising the level cap would defeat the point of the Merit system. The last time I spoke with you at TGS you said that perhaps the Black Mages were overpowered and could use some adjustment, which sparked some controversy in the community. Now that there's been a couple months of tweaking and tuning done to the game, what job would you say you are most happy with and what jobs still need the most work?

HT: Regarding "manaburning" parties, I think that sounds pretty cool. [laughs] What I really meant to say at the time is that I think it's a good idea, and if anyone hears those stories about those kinds of parties and feels that Black Mages are too strong, I would like them to be more creative and to give you help in making your jobs strong so you can do more interesting things like that. But I don't think the BLM job itself should be weakened just because of this current trend of a new way to form your party. And this goes for every job. I'd rather adjust things laterally to try to bring a job's strength up or down. The only exception was the Ranger, not just because of the way people play and the amount of money they put into it, but also the job itself had a fundamental attack advantage, and that's what we most recently tried to fix. But in general we don't want to make any job weaker.

[NynJa]

nothing NEEDS blm dmg, you just kill shit faster with more blm's.

People have just fallen into that trap of a thought.

if the difference between having or not having BLMs means you need 3+ people of other jobs to compensate for each BLM, i would consider that pretty much the same as NEED.

because for a lot of groups, missing 3-4 people is often what determines whether they have the manpower to kill something or not.

nerfing the sea manaburn xp was gay. the xp was worse than a war PT on deco's and worse than a KRT mnk pt.

no, it's not gay. those PTs is less XP but it's also less effort. yeah you can pull in 10k+ per hour in a super MNK PT with all MNKs that have Black Belts with a good mage puller.

or you can also pull in 5k-6k in a Sea PT with fairly gimp BLMs playing with one hand on the keyboard and one in your pants.

the complete lack of effort is why they nerfed it. not because the XP per hour blows everything else away.

I've been in a war pt on my thf, there was no effort. just run around and rampage shit (SA DE in my case). The most effort on my part was convincing some war to actually voke so I could get my SA DE off without hiting its side at the last second.

I havent seen KRT pt's, but I know alot of mnk's who pull in 10k / hr and dont have uber gear...


And if you think a sea manaburn pt wasnt an effort, you've obviously never done one. It is so mind numbing that it is an effort in its own keeping yourself awake.

[Heian]

Deser Swarm is a joke, last 6 runs we did, we did all Melee. NIN NIN NIN MNK/NIN MNK/NIN and me the gimp PLD/NIN.

It was easy, took about 7 minutes, but yeah it was easy. I think I am going to do Copycat or Double Draconis next, I am on my last 30KS. I have seen over 30 loot pools now in Desert Swarm with not a single V Claw, D Ingot, or D Cloth.

[layoneil]

I've been in a war pt on my thf, there was no effort. just run around and rampage shit (SA DE in my case). The most effort on my part was convincing some war to actually voke so I could get my SA DE off without hiting its side at the last second.

if you're not running in the right path you're not going to get the kind of XP you claim to get. if you run into another group you're also not going to get the kind of XP you claim.

I havent seen KRT pt's, but I know alot of mnk's who pull in 10k / hr and dont have uber gear...

i said 10k+, how much you get from the + is dependent on the gear, their path, pulling method, competition and keeping up mp to not stop.

And if you think a sea manaburn pt wasnt an effort, you've obviously never done one. It is so mind numbing that it is an effort in its own keeping yourself awake.

it's a different kind of effort, mind numbing is the definition of lack of effort.

[Raineer]

I couldn't stand sea manaburns. Sure XP is XP and Merits are Merits, but getting a 4-person chain 100+ was the singular most boring thing I have ever done in my life. The XP/hour wasn't even all that fantastic really.

I would much rather do a manburn in KRT or something, at least it was exciting since there was a CHANCE of death from adds or whatever. Sea manaburn was all about sitting there with a calculator and figuring out how many minutes until the next merit.

[Not Kuno]

I liked sea parties because blm are easy to find and you know nobody else will be there. Can't say the same about ulegurand, krt, lufaise, sky, etc. I don't mind krt, but I do mind krt with 2 mnk pts and a blm pt already there.

[Russta]

I liked sea parties because blm are easy to find and you know nobody else will be there. Can't say the same about ulegurand, krt, lufaise, sky, etc. I don't mind krt, but I do mind krt with 2 mnk pts and a blm pt already there.

That's the only thing I liked about them too. I guess I could imagine it being a little fun for Black Mage but hitting ctrl+5 and ctrl+6 over and over for hours was like purgatory.

[NynJa]

well Sendoh, then you can go cluster fuck in uleguerand range or deco weapons or KRT.


SE fucked up a legitimate xp spot, and its the reason why my blm's now 15k away from cap. I dont like having to find a party and doing this:
(Nynja) so where will we xp ?
/sea "uleguerand range"
Search result: 18 people found in this area.
(Nynja) cant xp in uleguerand range.
/sea "king rampere's tomb"
Search result: 51 people found in this area.
(Nynja) cant xp in krt.
/sea ruavitau
Search result: 63 people found in this area.
(Nynja) cant xp in sky.
/sea ruhmet
Search result: 0 people found in this area.
(Nynja) we could xp in sea, but SE fucked that shit up because they're a bunch of cocksmokers.
(Nynja) LETS GO LVL CAP OURSELVES IN XP IN CAPE RIVERNE !!!!!
(Nynja) how about it ??
There are no party members.



yes, I use default colors.

[Elcura]

lol

[rahskala]

I HAVE NEVER SEEN DIAGA BEING CAST SO MANY TIMES BEFORE, I THOUGHT WE WERE AT NIDHOGG.

rofl

[Ashen]

(Nynja) LETS GO LVL CAP OURSELVES IN XP IN CAPE RIVERNE !!!!!
(Nynja) how about it ??[/color]
There are no party members.



yes, I use default colors.

LOL nice post

[Janice]

I thought xping at Eba camp was pretty fun and the xp was good too as long as you are on merits.

I wonder if there is a good Diremite camp anywhere? Those things are easy.

[Lordwafik]

well Sendoh, then you can go cluster fuck in uleguerand range or deco weapons or KRT.


SE fucked up a legitimate xp spot, and its the reason why my blm's now 15k away from cap. I dont like having to find a party and doing this:
(Nynja) so where will we xp ?
/sea "uleguerand range"
Search result: 18 people found in this area.
(Nynja) cant xp in uleguerand range.
/sea "king rampere's tomb"
Search result: 51 people found in this area.
(Nynja) cant xp in krt.
/sea ruavitau
Search result: 63 people found in this area.
(Nynja) cant xp in sky.
/sea ruhmet
Search result: 0 people found in this area.
(Nynja) we could xp in sea, but SE fucked that shit up because they're a bunch of cocksmokers.
(Nynja) LETS GO LVL CAP OURSELVES IN XP IN CAPE RIVERNE !!!!!
(Nynja) how about it ??
There are no party members.



yes, I use default colors.

[layoneil]

the mobs are there, XP on them with a standard PT if you want.

if you want to complain about lack of merit zones, i'm right there with you.

but a lack of merit zones does not justify making mobs that you can get braindead XP on.

make Sea more accessible, make the regular mobs in there not such a pain to kill for a standard setup. has anyone tried a Rampage Party running through Ru'Hmet?

again lack of XP zones does not equal give me brain dead XP somewhere. your logic is messed up, lack of XP zones leads to give me more viable XP zones. two seperate issues that you're too thick-headed to see.

they fixed one legitamite problem and left the big gapping hole that has always been there.

[Raineer]

There are VT's and IT's all over sea, tell me why you can't go XP there again?

[Mifaco]

Because sea mob TP moves fucking suck and tend to drain MP fast.

[Surealistic]

god i wish i could complain that they took my xp spots away, as a pld i could put my flag up for about a week straight and not get an invite, so i try to make a party, "sorry nin tank only" "sorry blm party only" "sorry mnk party only" "sorry war party only"

[Heian]

god i wish i could complain that they took my xp spots away, as a pld i could put my flag up for about a week straight and not get an invite, so i try to make a party, "sorry nin tank only" "sorry blm party only" "sorry mnk party only" "sorry war party only"

[Demetrick]

god i wish i could complain that they took my xp spots away, as a pld i could put my flag up for about a week straight and not get an invite, so i try to make a party, "sorry nin tank only" "sorry blm party only" "sorry mnk party only" "sorry war party only"

...but you could be a drg.


no offense drgs but its true