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    I find it funny that after people complaining there's no strategy in monsters in FFXI, other than "throw a bunch of noobs at it" , they finally come up with one where you need to think of the strat and then everyone is frightened The Dev's wouldnt release something into the game if it wasnt killable, that was proven with Jailor of Love, claimed to be "broken" while another LS killed it np. True, while very annoying that to pop him you gotta go through all that nonsense of non 100% drops, but if this dude is in the game, and the items he drops are there, he's killable.

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    The problem is, Wafik, the two LS's that are (known to have) killed JoL using a whole brigade of BLMs. That's where the main complaints are coming from, because it just reinforces the theory of how unbalanced the game is.

    The only saving grace is that the two LS's that killed it used SC's to deal extra damage towards JoL, but still.

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    I agree stan, even though i'm a BLM, I dont think everything should be bumrushed with BLM's , but it's almost like that's not the "right way" for everything. I dunno about remora, but on asura, every monster in vanadiel became "It's not dying, let's throw rangers at it" and people recently using the straight up tank kirin method.

    The JP who are killing it are using 1 strategy, and let's hope it's not the only strategy

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    You kill AV when the level cap goes up.

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    They've already said that they not only have no intention to raise the level cap, but also no plausible way to implement it if they wanted to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satinslaw
    Earth Staff that eats Tacos
    Yeah, that's all I got out of this. I WANT ONE!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arlania
    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    Thank you for the thorough translation. Hopefullly the next patch allows the formation of super-alliances (perhaps neither could see the other's HP or names) simply for the purpose of allowing more than 18 players engage a mob at once.

    Yeah if that's the idea(to rush it like DL) then this game is going downhill. There was a somewhat strategic component in only 18 people fighting something. It's something this mmo had that others didnt. Anyone ever fight Antharas or another raid boss on Lineage2? It's more zerging then anything(fun fights! but not so much strategy). If AV calls for a LS getting 100ppl online at one time and then just bum rushing a monster to kill it that's really lame. Also having more then 18ppl listed on my screen would be BEYOND annoying.
    99% of current strategies with 18 people alliance: boot everything that can't cast top tier elemental nukes, refresh, or ballad. Maybe keep 1 or 2 paladins.

    While I hope that a bigger alliance would lead to a better strategy, I imagine it would actually lead to boot everything that can't cast top tier elemental nukes, refresh, or ballad. Maybe keep 2 or 3 paladins.

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    Hello everyone, first post here and probably my last. I generally don't post on Forums, but I wanted to throw my 2 cents.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislaw
    The damage we've dealt against it was like the above. Aegis' bash did 200~, Blizzard IV (unresisted) did 400~, Thundaga III (unresisted) did 600~, Chi Blast 900~, Spiral Hell TP300 with Food (no SATA) did about 600. Ranged Attack WSs were near useless - Sidewinder did about 0~10?

    The problem is, Wafik, the two LS's that are (known to have) killed JoL using a whole brigade of BLMs. That's where the main complaints are coming from, because it just reinforces the theory of how unbalanced the game is.

    The only saving grace is that the two LS's that killed it used SC's to deal extra damage towards JoL, but still.
    About the damage quote. I was shocked. Sidewinder 0~10dmg...

    About the BLMs... Why does Square Enix make new HNMs who can be beat by an Army of BLMs... Time to level BLM

    Anyway, that wasn't my point.

    I think Square Enix made Absolute Virtue Impossible to kill at this moment of the game. They are probably waiting to fix things (like some Sea NMs not droping the pop item they are suposed to drop at 100%, and I don't know what else could they fix since I don't have Sea). Then they are maybe waiting for more people to get Sea, more people to get Rare and / or Ex Items from Sea, this kind of things you know.

    And when SE will think they made Sea working at 100%, people are ready Item-wise, etc. Nerf Absolute Virtue (which I doubt, yes I know Im weird) or more probably, introduce a new thing like new Weapons (I heard you had to get the Rare Ex Gold-style Weapon to beat some NMs in Sea). I don't know.

    Anyway, nice post Stanislaw, I like you're style

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislaw
    The problem is, Wafik, the two LS's that are (known to have) killed JoL using a whole brigade of BLMs. That's where the main complaints are coming from, because it just reinforces the theory of how unbalanced the game is.

    The only saving grace is that the two LS's that killed it used SC's to deal extra damage towards JoL, but still.
    I don't think the complaint is that it's hard. I think the complaint is that it takes months of farming shit to pop it. And 10 to 1 odds it can drop 0 items when it is defeated.

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    bone AV in order to kill it

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    I kinda know a strategy for AV that I been trying to come up with.

    Kite AV and 2 other alliances kill wyverns, fast and 2hr em. then wait til AV uses all the 2hrs. and keep kiting, then just keep kiting and doing dmg like chi blast and blms, something like that i guess. and have a lot of outside healing. and rb1s out the ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeno
    I kinda know a strategy for AV that I been trying to come up with.

    Kite AV and 2 other alliances kill wyverns, fast and 2hr em. then wait til AV uses all the 2hrs. and keep kiting, then just keep kiting and doing dmg like chi blast and blms, something like that i guess. and have a lot of outside healing. and rb1s out the ass
    if you read the translation AV is virtually un-kiteable. They tried and AV was able to eat through shadows because his attack speed is so fast, as is his movement speed thus defeating the point of speedy pants.

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    ninja Kyahan+1 ftw

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    i personally think AV is a mimic type mob, whatever you do to JoL it does to you. ie if you nuke the fuck out of it, it nukes the fuck out of you.

    i think this cuz of the 3 rings it can drop...
    the one that is mele based, the one that is mage based and the one that is ranged attack based

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    JoL and AV don't have anything to do with each other like that. AV just spawns after JoL because it's the last Jailer, and that frees AV.

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    I think it's retarded that the only way to kill these mobs is with 20+ blackmages. I think it's retarded the only use for melee is to make skillchains then gtfo. SE needs to fix there game, but they've fucked it up so much I don't think they can fix it.

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    I hope that SE has learned enough this time around to make their next MMOG so much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fira
    I think it's retarded that the only way to kill these mobs is with 20+ blackmages. I think it's retarded the only use for melee is to make skillchains then gtfo. SE needs to fix there game, but they've fucked it up so much I don't think they can fix it.
    That's assuming the only way to kill the mob is with 20 blackmages. To a lot of people it had always been the only way to kill Gods/Kirin is with a bunch of rangers, which is false. This is just the intial theory, give it time and you might find out something otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ankiseth
    Quote Originally Posted by Fira
    I think it's retarded that the only way to kill these mobs is with 20+ blackmages. I think it's retarded the only use for melee is to make skillchains then gtfo. SE needs to fix there game, but they've fucked it up so much I don't think they can fix it.
    That's assuming the only way to kill the mob is with 20 blackmages. To a lot of people it had always been the only way to kill Gods/Kirin is with a bunch of rangers, which is false. This is just the intial theory, give it time and you might find out something otherwise.
    Uh buddy, melee hit it for like 10's and ws for low 100's. Only melee damage that was ok, was souleater+kraken and chiblast.

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    so in 2 attempts at AV you can safely say that EVERY possible way to beat him has been tried, leading to only blm's being the answer

    thats the reason everyone uses blm's for everything, not because thats the way SE designed it, because people fall for that being the only way out

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