FFXI's PS2 foundation will DOOM IT!

[XxSlusherxx]

WHile your right, CoP was the first set of missions that provided some level of dificulty reguardless of your level, (although sometimes through level caps) I guess thats why I sort of think of it as "endgame"

[Xavier]

WHile your right, CoP was the first set of missions that provided some level of dificulty reguardless of your level, (although sometimes through level caps) I guess thats why I sort of think of it as "endgame"

I'm of the school of thought that playing an MMO w/ missions and a storyline as your endgame is basically like playing a crappy single-player RPG.

Picture the CoP storyline in an actual Final Fantasy offline game...wouldn't that have been a million times more powerful lol? I just have different expectations of a game in a mmo than a singleplayer game.

Shinryuu, I'm not saying the PC version of the game doesn't look good, the pics were just to show how different the game can look on various cards and the PS2 and why its not fair to compare images from different graphics cards. The thing I found funny was trying to justify the PC graphics as why the PS2 isn't going to slow the game down, when thats an entirely different issue than graphics.

[Razz]

CoP was the worst thing to happen to FFXI. They did nothing right. The missions sucked, the HNMs sucked, and sea also sucked. gg.

[Xavier]

CoP was the worst thing to happen to FFXI. They did nothing right. The missions sucked, the HNMs sucked, and sea also sucked. gg.

When I heard about Sea, I fully expected sky 2.0 w/ new sea gods, the exact same setup as sky, a new set of abj from sea + adding the pimpest of the abj sets to tiamat/jorm/vrtra/ouryu and you know what, I WOULD'VE BEEN HAPPY.

Why did they halfass the entire expansion lol? Why did they make popping the jailers so random, why did they make the pop items off said jailers not 100%, why did they make J.Lo (at least for now) take around 70 people to kill and AV the most absurdly overpowered monster in any game ever made? Why do the 4 wyrms still drop jackshit and you're better off camping a lv 55 crab thats soloable for a Speedbelt instead of them w/ your entire LS for a 1hr30min kill? SO MANY COMPLAINTS WITH SUCH EASY SOLUTIONS WHY SQUARE WHY?

[FFXIFlux]

There was a long dry spell there with nothing really being added to the game, but hopefully thats over for a while.

September through December, 2 patch cycles, they'll have added 5 end-game zones to the game, (temenos, apollyon, and 3 of the 4 new dynamis zones.) Thats not bad. They've also added 2 full sets of armor, the AF+1, the ancient coin items and... by the sounds of it, a lot of new stuff with the dynamis patch, and probably some toy or two with christmas festival (I doubt we'll get something as good as outposts, but you never know.)

Not everyone wants AF+1 or the Ultima/Omega armor, but most want a peice or two here and there. Practically everyone wants at least 1 ancient beastcoin item. I'm sure there will be at least a few items from the new dynamis that everyone will want.

After that we'll have the 4rth dynamis zone come out. Then probably the XBox360 version and hopefully not long after the new expansion (which will hopefully be delivered complete this time instead of take a year to finish...)

The only real problem I see is SE's desperate attempt to not obsolete existing gear by making stuff harder to get than they should, and by making everything have a unique stat or ability for the slot and not having new gear have same or better stats AND something else, like armor that is Mahatma but also with +MP and +resistance. Oh, and they also listen to whiners too much and are adding way way too much low level gear into the game. I could care less if I wear the same armor for 10 levels when I'm 20, I really don't need a new set of armor every 2 levels. What I do care about is wearing the same gear at 75 for 2 years straight. The Limbus loot is certainly a step up in the power department... hopefully they're going to keep doing it and I won't be carrying around Errant gear forever.

[Xavier]

The limbus gear was just to compensate for the jobs that got nothing out of sky I think. With the exception of a few pieces, none of it came close to really rivaling Nidhogg loot, but they're def. good pieces.

My problem w/ all of the af+1 and other gear they've added is that they are at best minimal improvements over what already was in the game and at worst not as good as the current cursed gear/other options that already existed.

[XxSlusherxx]

The only real problem I see is SE's desperate attempt to not obsolete existing gear by making stuff harder to get than they should, and by making everything have a unique stat or ability for the slot and not having new gear have same or better stats AND something else, like armor that is Mahatma but also with +MP and +resistance. Oh, and they also listen to whiners too much and are adding way way too much low level gear into the game. I could care less if I wear the same armor for 10 levels when I'm 20, I really don't need a new set of armor every 2 levels. What I do care about is wearing the same gear at 75 for 2 years straight. The Limbus loot is certainly a step up in the power department... hopefully they're going to keep doing it and I won't be carrying around Errant gear forever.

this is exactly how I feel, SE tries to hard to balance new gear with old gear, when a mob takes 35-50 people (with skill) to kill, then why not get some unbalannced peice in return. This is where WoW exceeds(I still play ffxi but my best IRL friend has been at WoW endgame since febuary so I know a lot about it)
In wow there are three levels of endgame instances a handfull of 10-15 man ones, Molton Core, then the hardest Black wing lair. THe point I'm trying to make is, each teir drops a teir of endgame armor, that blows the lower teir out of the water, so good it artifically increases your level. If you go to Black Wing Lair with a group that has no Molton core level gear, you won't stand a chance, so you have to work your way up.
If sea gods were so hard they required cursed gear and then the sea gods dropped gear that was pretty much needed to kill AV, I think people would not be so upset about pop item drop rate since they are "farming" useful stuff for AV.

[XxSlusherxx]

Double posted..

But I'll just add @Xav, a lot of the jobs that don't have access to a lot of gear, namely DRG and MNK get a big boost from AF+1 namely the body peices, it's not quite as good but DRG AF+1 body is almost the Haubergon they've been pining for. MNK AF+1 is only the third item in the game to give STR on body, idk if I like it better than SHura, but it sure is better than SH.

[Soje]

SE created their own glass ceiling with the Zilart expansion and refuses to break through. They pretty much refuse to put straight up better gear into the game, not gear that is arguably better, not gear that is situationaly better, but gear that just straight up blows the old crap out of the water better. I for one am getting tired of the consolation prizes.

That and some crafting programer really needs to take the code for Behemoth hide out of his shortcut menu.

[Xavier]

Double posted..

But I'll just add @Xav, a lot of the jobs that don't have access to a lot of gear, namely DRG and MNK get a big boost from AF+1 namely the body peices, it's not quite as good but DRG AF+1 body is almost the Haubergon they've been pining for. MNK AF+1 is only the third item in the game to give STR on body, idk if I like it better than SHura, but it sure is better than SH.

I'll give you DRGAF+1 body as being pretty much the best melee drg piece, but I won't give you this;

HP +20
Strength +6
Vitality +6
Accuracy +5
Enhances Chakra Effect

as being more useful than this while meleeing:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/it...Shura-Togi.jpg
and this for weaponskills:
[img]http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/items ... -Osode.jpg[/img]

[Razz]

I remember our main motivation for clearing CoP missions was a statement made from one of the devs (cant remember the name) "sea curse equip will blow away sky gear"...I never believed it (hence being lazy with CoP missions) but I figured it'd be logical for sky to be the next step up. how mislead we were.

[Septimus]

I remember our main motivation for clearing CoP missions was a statement made from one of the devs (cant remember the name) "sea curse equip will blow away sky gear"...I never believed it (hence being lazy with CoP missions) but I figured it'd be logical for sky to be the next step up. how mislead we were.

Hey, they aren't done with Sea yet. It could be a full 3 or 4 years before they put sea cursed gear in... ;_;

[Razz]

I remember our main motivation for clearing CoP missions was a statement made from one of the devs (cant remember the name) "sea curse equip will blow away sky gear"...I never believed it (hence being lazy with CoP missions) but I figured it'd be logical for sky to be the next step up. how mislead we were.

Hey, they aren't done with Sea yet. It could be a full 3 or 4 years before they put sea cursed gear in... ;_;

I don't see myself playing this game for the next 3-4 years and I don't see Square putting in content for it either. I'd imagine they would've made some sort of sequel to it or some other MMO for PS3.

Right now, Sea is a failure.

[berticus]

I remember our main motivation for clearing CoP missions was a statement made from one of the devs (cant remember the name) "sea curse equip will blow away sky gear"...I never believed it (hence being lazy with CoP missions) but I figured it'd be logical for sky to be the next step up. how mislead we were.

Hey, they aren't done with Sea yet. It could be a full 3 or 4 years before they put sea cursed gear in... ;_;

I don't see myself playing this game for the next 3-4 years and I don't see Square putting in content for it either. I'd imagine they would've made some sort of sequel to it or some other MMO for PS3.

Right now, ff11 is a failure.

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[thestalkmore]

I'm redundant.

Fixed

Seriously, we get it, you hate ffxi and SE. You act like repeating yourself indefinately will convince those who haven't been already.

[Okan]

I'm redundant.

Fixed

Seriously, we get it, you hate ffxi and SE. You act like repeating yourself indefinately will convince those who haven't been already.

You didn't know he worked for the Department of Redundancy Department?

[Tom Chambers]

I remember our main motivation for clearing CoP missions was a statement made from one of the devs (cant remember the name) "sea curse equip will blow away sky gear"...I never believed it (hence being lazy with CoP missions) but I figured it'd be logical for sky to be the next step up. how mislead we were.

Hey, they aren't done with Sea yet. It could be a full 3 or 4 years before they put sea cursed gear in... ;_;

I don't see myself playing this game for the next 3-4 years and I don't see Square putting in content for it either. I'd imagine they would've made some sort of sequel to it or some other MMO for PS3.

Right now, ff11 is a failure.

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They got their whooping FIVE HUNDRED AND FORTY SIX DAYS out of you, so I think they definetely won that round.

[Shade]

Double posted..

But I'll just add @Xav, a lot of the jobs that don't have access to a lot of gear, namely DRG and MNK get a big boost from AF+1 namely the body peices, it's not quite as good but DRG AF+1 body is almost the Haubergon they've been pining for. MNK AF+1 is only the third item in the game to give STR on body, idk if I like it better than SHura, but it sure is better than SH.

Drg AF+1 Body might be comparable to a Haubergeon... if it were available at the same level as one.

But you can't wear it until lv74, and so I would still choose Assault Jerkin (+17 Att, +3 Acc), Barone Corazza (+14 Att, Regen, -Fugly), or Homam Corazza (+15 Acc, Triple Attack) for melee, and Hecatomb Harness (+12 Str +10 Acc) for WS over AF+1 (+7 Att +6 Str +6 Vit, Wyvern Regen) for either.

The DRG AF+1 in general doesn't look that appealing, since they copped out and didn't make "Wyvern uses breaths more effectively" any better than regular AF. It's mostly "sorta good" gear, and most people who can make it to Sea are going to already have access to something better.

[Xavier]

Double posted..

But I'll just add @Xav, a lot of the jobs that don't have access to a lot of gear, namely DRG and MNK get a big boost from AF+1 namely the body peices, it's not quite as good but DRG AF+1 body is almost the Haubergon they've been pining for. MNK AF+1 is only the third item in the game to give STR on body, idk if I like it better than SHura, but it sure is better than SH.

Drg AF+1 Body might be comparable to a Haubergeon... if it were available at the same level as one.

But you can't wear it until lv74, and so I would still choose Assault Jerkin (+17 Att, +3 Acc), Barone Corazza (+14 Att, Regen, -Fugly), or Homam Corazza (+15 Acc, Triple Attack) for melee, and Hecatomb Harness (+12 Str +10 Acc) for WS over AF+1 (+7 Att +6 Str +6 Vit, Wyvern Regen) for either.

The DRG AF+1 in general doesn't look that appealing, since they copped out and didn't make "Wyvern uses breaths more effectively" any better than regular AF. It's mostly "sorta good" gear, and most people who can make it to Sea are going to already have access to something better.

Its also for DRG LOL!

[Shade]

Its also for DRG LOL!

O RLY?