Refund?

[Soje]

Never said Final Heaven was any good.

R5 knuckles = 400+ damage criticals (imagine one of those going off in asuran fists) and enhanced counter (I hear it sometimes gives tp back when countering) best dmg/delay ratio with ridiculously high +dmg, which is what monk is all about.

(interesting fact: the d/de ratio for destroyers is fractionally more efficient than R5 knuckles)

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Normal hits were 5-50 and crits were 50-80.

Granted he was fighting a pld in full koenig...

[Alleya]

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Normal hits were 5-50 and crits were 50-80.

Granted he was fighting a pld in full koenig...

50dmg+ on someone with that much vit and def is pretty fucking impressive.

[layoneil]

50dmg+ on someone with that much vit and def is pretty fucking impressive.

except the PLD says other MNKs with Destroyers hits him for very close to the same and crits more. so ...

Getting a horn would mean you would never be allowed to use the "change job" feature on that character ever again, then again you don't really need a relic horn to be a fulltime bard.

that applies to Shield and all the other relics just the same. it's just whether or not the person getting it can stomach it.

Just for sake of curiousity, what would people change about the weapons to make them worthwhile and not overpowered (or should they simply be the exception to overpowered)?

1) reduce the effort that is currently required
2) for the current effort, completely overpowered is acceptable to me

Are people looking for something that drastically alters battles and if so, would people be ok with monsters such that people say "We can't beat this because we don't have someone with XXX weapon".

yes, that would be okay if the said item is more accessible. i would not mind if DL wasn't beatable without full AF2, but getting full AF2 for 30 people should not take as long as it does now.

[aurik]

Yea, I don't understand why relic weapons AREN'T overpowered. For 400m+ gil and the amount of effort expended it better not be "just another weapon".

[Shinigami]

It's been a while since i've checked up but back in the day everyone used to say the horn was a useless relic upgrade, now every1's like it's the best one....

What exactly are the FULL abilities currently known on the relic horn?

[Alleya]

It's been a while since i've checked up but back in the day everyone used to say the horn was a useless relic upgrade, now every1's like it's the best one....

What exactly are the FULL abilities currently known on the relic horn?

what it says, +2 to all songs.

Back in the day, it was believed that the +2 only added duration to ballad and did not add MP per tic, but now there's solid evidence to the contrary and we know it does 7mp/tic. That's why it's godly now.

[chilicheese]

It's been a while since i've checked up but back in the day everyone used to say the horn was a useless relic upgrade, now every1's like it's the best one....

What exactly are the FULL abilities currently known on the relic horn?

the +2 to all songs affects ballad also, giving it an extra 2mp/tick for each song, so 2x ballad gives 7mp/tick instead of 3mp/tick. thus effectively locking them into the bard job forever

[Shinigami]

So all songs get +2 to their modifier, IE balled gets +2 more mp per tick per song, dmg spells get +2 more attack per song, defense songs get +2 def per song, mamboo gets +2 evasion per song?

[chilicheese]

So all songs get +2 to their modifier, IE balled gets +2 more mp per tick per song, dmg spells get +2 more attack per song, defense songs get +2 def per song, mamboo gets +2 evasion per song?

not exactly. minuet+2 instrument gives an extra 5 attack over no instrument, and it also extends the duration

[Xavier]

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Normal hits were 5-50 and crits were 50-80.

Granted he was fighting a pld in full koenig...

50dmg+ on someone with that much vit and def is pretty fucking impressive.

For a 400 million weapon I'd expect the PLD to basically be killed in 3 attack rounds. For 400 million gil you could've just paid off the entire server into never beating you, which actually would've been more effective.

[NynJa]

Siphirai (or whatever) are supposed to make you a counter god...


a pld in full koenig isnt gonna hit a mnk. a monk cant counter what doesnt hit them.

[Xavier]

Siphirai (or whatever) are supposed to make you a counter god...


a pld in full koenig isnt gonna hit a mnk. a monk cant counter what doesnt hit them.

In the pic...the pld killed the mnk lol.

[Razz]

Siphirai (or whatever) are supposed to make you a counter god...


a pld in full koenig isnt gonna hit a mnk. a monk cant counter what doesnt hit them.

In the pic...the pld killed the mnk lol.

Thats pretty sad lol...was the pld totally pimped out using tera staff/phalanx or was he just using full koenig? It is seriously sad to wield a 400mil weapon yet fall to a meat shield.

[Soje]

Sword he was using looks like a Joyeuse (sp). Counter rate was crazy when he switched to counterstance. Looks to be about 50%.

But yeah for the price tag he should have been able to take out the pld, sadly he could have prob used destroyers and eaten some good attack food and have been more effective.

[Raineer]

For a 400 million weapon I'd expect the PLD to basically be killed in 3 attack rounds. For 400 million gil you could've just paid off the entire server into never beating you, which actually would've been more effective.

In other words, for 400mil+ the item needs to literally redefine "broken".

You can argue all you want that "well the paladin did have full koenig and a terra staff", however it was the paladin posting the thread with the attitude of "meh they suck."

Oh wait, I think this needs repeating... THE PALADIN KILLED THE MONK

Expect an emergency maintenance to fix that.

[XxSlusherxx]

WHich brings me to the gripe of warriors, which is, why can't we equip relic axe? It's just silly that warriors with relic Gaxe prefer duel weild when doing anything but skillchaining @300tp vs. HNMs.

[Kalaka]

My LS leader has Spharai. His counter rate is what makes him so indominable. He solos normal dynamis mobs, soloed AA HM from 50% to dead(he /nin) is all about the counter rate for Spharai.For godsake the crazy bastard wanted to see how he would do against Vrtra and put up counterstance and got it to 96% (meaning took off 4% of it's life) before he and his rdm healing go owned. Relic is very impressive, is it worth the gil? If you have nothing else to spend your gil on i guess. But relic horn and relic shield seem to be the only ones worth the pain of gathering gil to get currency then attestaion runs till your attestation finally drops, then get the blm force together to bring down the animated weapon. The rest are for those with nothing really left to spend gil on.

[XxSlusherxx]

He solos normal dynamis mobs, soloed AA HM from 50% to dead(he /nin) is all about the counter rate for Spharai.

YOu cannot counter when shadows are up as far as I've been told by monks, I'm not saying the counter rate isn't great, but, with nin sub, if destroyers do more damage, then destroyers are probly the way to go.

[Soje]

My LS leader has Spharai. His counter rate is what makes him so indominable. He solos normal dynamis mobs, soloed AA HM from 50% to dead(he /nin) is all about the counter rate for Spharai.For godsake the crazy bastard wanted to see how he would do against Vrtra and put up counterstance and got it to 96% (meaning took off 4% of it's life) before he and his rdm healing go owned. Relic is very impressive, is it worth the gil? If you have nothing else to spend your gil on i guess. But relic horn and relic shield seem to be the only ones worth the pain of gathering gil to get currency then attestaion runs till your attestation finally drops, then get the blm force together to bring down the animated weapon. The rest are for those with nothing really left to spend gil on.

I bet he can get it to 95% with a boxer's mantle. :D

[Elcura]

To hear a MNK got killed by a full Koenig PLD is sad...even with Koenig Relic H2H should be like an instant "I LOOK AT YOU AND YOU DIE BITCH", not "FUCK IT'S LIKE I'M FIGHTING ROBBER CRABS AT LVL 48".