How to make THF good at HNMs/PTs:

[Razz]

and trick would automatically pick the tank for hate, thats the only thing I don't get?? because the mob always looks at the tank, so you can't be behind him. I'm just legitamately curious, this was nerfed when I was still a whm.

the "yokodama nerf" just made it so that you HAD to use sneak attack from the rear of the monster, before the nerf you could stand to the side and SA+TA

100% correct. I guess the nerf makes sense logically but every now and then you find an exploit that makes the game better than it should be, and thats the way it should be, unchanged. Sadly they changed it. Yokodama RIP!

[Jotaru]

I'm curious about something...

Dark Dragon type mobs, as I'm sure you guys know, will allow you to attack it from behind, even if you're the one with hate... He won't spin to attack you (unless he uses a TP attack) even if you're the tank, unlike every other mob around... In this case (and its sorta a moot point anyway since you never fight mobs like this) would SATA still work on a tank positioned behind the dragon and the THF behind the tank? Seems like it would (since you are, after all, behind the mob) but since his focus is behind him perhaps it acts differently? Some random thought I had ^^;

[Demetrios]

Adamantoise, Fafnir, Behemoth and their HQ counterparts all do this too, I'm not really sure about it either :/

[Vanostek]

http://woys.hp.infoseek.co.jp/yokodama2.jpg

hahahaha Overlord Bagodek is on the loose!

[Eaglestrike]

To /bump this thread and yet change the OP's original point.

To fix thf:

1) A+ Dagger.
2) Make either or both SA/TA ignore a portion of defense when used.
3) Make Hide work on any mob as long as you're not #1 on hate list. This way we could merit Hide recast and use it on Wyrms and such without having to log out, while not making thf super survivalists more than we already are.
4) +crit rate trait, or a berserk/focus/dodge like ability that increases crit hit rates for 3min with a 5min recast.
5) SB one-hit, with a higher DEX or DMG mod (or both).
6) Accuracy bonus so we can focus on +attack more.

I'll take any of that in small increments as we go, too. I never expect to see any of this in one update.

Edit: That list is no particular order. Just a list of things that would help thf while not overpower it and could actually be changes SE would give us.

[Ploid]

I'm curious about something...

Dark Dragon type mobs, as I'm sure you guys know, will allow you to attack it from behind, even if you're the one with hate... He won't spin to attack you (unless he uses a TP attack) even if you're the tank, unlike every other mob around... In this case (and its sorta a moot point anyway since you never fight mobs like this) would SATA still work on a tank positioned behind the dragon and the THF behind the tank? Seems like it would (since you are, after all, behind the mob) but since his focus is behind him perhaps it acts differently? Some random thought I had ^^;

Yep it works. I did this on ash dragon, and shadow dragon/bais(or whatever it is). I depended on it for ash though, during our 6 member fight due to blm having so much hate over time.

[Ragnard]

I'm curious about something...

Dark Dragon type mobs, as I'm sure you guys know, will allow you to attack it from behind, even if you're the one with hate... He won't spin to attack you (unless he uses a TP attack) even if you're the tank, unlike every other mob around... In this case (and its sorta a moot point anyway since you never fight mobs like this) would SATA still work on a tank positioned behind the dragon and the THF behind the tank? Seems like it would (since you are, after all, behind the mob) but since his focus is behind him perhaps it acts differently? Some random thought I had ^^;

Yep it works. I did this on ash dragon, and shadow dragon/bais(or whatever it is). I depended on it for ash though, during our 6 member fight due to blm having so much hate over time.

BIG KILLS POINTS!!!11!
But yea, as someone said a few posts back, you can do this on Ada/Aspid, Nid/Faf... Why you'd want to use on HNMs is beyond me, but they'll definitely start hitting you with tail. They only turn when they use TP moves.