Relic Knuckles Completed On Siren

[Kimiko]

give us a couple of screens of Final Heaven goin off!

Ask and ye shall receive...

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8...heaven13cq.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9...heaven24ju.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3...heaven30es.jpg

[Rhyse]

does Final Heaven dmg beat asuran on avg?
or at 300 can it beat an SA 300 Dragon Kick?

[Kimiko]

I don't think it's been tried yet at full 300 tp, I'll ask Myri when she's back online today.

[Gatsby]

From talking the NA MNK on titan who has it, he will admit that Final Heaven is a weak WS.

In his only parse with another mnk in KRT, destroyers are not as good as Spharai but it can do a 2 person light. Dragon > Final Heaven. The counter rate is supposedly very high but once again he has not parsed this to be sure. The parse that he did do showed varying results depending on his buffs and a lot of afks so its hard to get a good gauge on the strength of the weapon.

He still goes around and Final Heavens each mob he can though.

[XxSlusherxx]

Someone tell your war that maneater outparces Juggernaut.

[Lockecole]

Someone tell your war that maneater outparces Juggernaut.

It does...but Juggernaut is 15mil... Spharai is 400mil+. I fail to see the point?

[Sefier]

comprehension.(if spelled right)

[Onizuka]

Someone tell your war that maneater outparces Juggernaut.

It does...but Juggernaut is 15mil... Spharai is 400mil+. I fail to see the point?

He was talking about the axe's(maneaterVsJuggernaut) nothing to do with the relic.

[Jotaru]

Crit for 600? O_O I thought the random crit effect was 3x? That would mean a 10% chance of a ~700 dmg round? I don't see how anything could keep up with that sorta parse...

[nivlakian]

Crit for 600? O_O I thought the random crit effect was 3x? That would mean a 10% chance of a ~700 dmg round? I don't see how anything could keep up with that sorta parse...

I believe it's random chance to do 3x dmg on any hit. If that hit happened to be a critcal then you'd get those numbers.

If you had a 10% chance to do 3x damage, you also have to take into account your chance to crit (and both occuring at the same time). Doing so, I don't think you'd end up with a 10% chance to see a 700 dmg round.

[XxSlusherxx]

Someone tell your war that maneater outparces Juggernaut.

It does...but Juggernaut is 15mil... Spharai is 400mil+. I fail to see the point?

In the pic, the War is mainhanding A juggernaut. which is 13mil more than a better weapon.

[Slowcrow]

The warrior had sword main hand for the pt for Savage Blade > Final Heaven. Due to the rather odd pt setup we had for this, we only had the 2 melee and as Final Heaven lives in the fire/light domain it was the best choice we had available to us.

As Lockecole stated Myriana really didn't have any LS support for this from TMO and accomplished most of it on her own, with support from her friends, and she also attends dynamis with a JP shell as well which certainly helped matters.

I am immensely happy for Myriana as she is a very close friend of mine and I have witnessed first hand a lot of the struggling she has gone through to accomplish this without support from her LS leadership.

Next pt I have with her I'll run a parser and have Myri do a few iterations on different setups / WS and see what comes of it.

[Jotaru]

believe it's random chance to do 3x dmg on any hit. If that hit happened to be a critcal then you'd get those numbers.

Ah yeah I suppose... Though for some deluded reason I thought whenever the 3x effect proc'd it gave the Critical Hit message... So I'm assuming now it was regular attack that crit'd and then 3x'd... Though, even that seems like a lot... Anyhow, point simply being, even without the crit chance, you're looking at a 10% chance of a weapon doing 3x damage, which means the weapon on average does 1.2x the dmg it should (due to the assumed 10% chance for 3x damage) (Calculated by [9x 1dmg + 1x 3dmg]/ 10) Add in the chance of crit+3x mod (which damage is shown very clearly here!) and its hard to believe that Destroyers (although I understand an appreciate how powerful they are) would keep up with Spharai, let alone outparse them. Not to mention - I believe SE likes to fuck with us as much as the next guy, but I'm sure they would have tested these weapons against each other to ensure they didn't overlap.

Edit:

Savage Blade > Final Heaven

I understand a lot of melees like to do light chains, and if I personally had an upgraded relic I wouldn't want to do anything BUT the relic WS... But wouldn't WS spam do more damage? I'm a main BLM, don't get me wrong - I love to burst, and it pisses me off when the melee in my LS decide not to SC... But with Rampage being as deadly as it is, and the thought of a relic'd Asuran (which is rumor'd to outdamage Final Heaven by average) I'd think it (or another combination of WS) would do more damage... But I could be wrong, and I'm 100% aware of this fact. Was just a general passing idea

[Drzaus]

i read but didnt see this stated, What food did she use? and were those pics with Buffs on, zerk/focus/etc... i dont see songs on you so i doubt u have a bard.. ill reread everything but im pretty sure i dint see any of these questions answered

[Lockecole]

In the pic, the War is mainhanding A juggernaut. which is 13mil more than a better weapon.

Oh. I see. My bad didnt notice that. Sorry I took it incorrectly. Umm obviously if it costs more its better right? Nothing to do with OO monopolizing it.

[Lockecole]

i read but didnt see this stated, What food did she use? and were those pics with Buffs on, zerk/focus/etc... i dont see songs on you so i doubt u have a bard.. ill reread everything but im pretty sure i dint see any of these questions answered

Perhaps I can clear this up for you.

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5...ven30es0qp.jpg

Better?

[Slowcrow]

i read but didnt see this stated, What food did she use? and were those pics with Buffs on, zerk/focus/etc... i dont see songs on you so i doubt u have a bard.. ill reread everything but im pretty sure i dint see any of these questions answered

We had a bard, she was using Couerl sub, think she normally uses focus, unsure about berserk, but she would've had collateral warcry from the warrior during the skillchain.

[Kimiko]

Thank you for clearing that up, the pics were taken when Seph was still BLM #2 in the party (I took over for him afterwards)

Also, thought this may be difficult to test in a normal XP party situation, we're working on a theory that Final Heaven does increase the subtle blow trait when used.

[Elcura]

How about not using Final Heaven and instead enjoying the good WS with a +23DMG weapon?

[Squallblade]

What's up with all the monks getting the final AF? theres like 5 guys across server with complete relic knuckles and only 1 for each of the other weapons