Outside alliance claims?

[Litoriceboi]

well, bg botted and went afk, the bot claimed and then they got their ill gotten mob back, gayness ftw

Right... and then that afk person started bitching on LS about people not knowing that he claimed with his psychic powers right?

Edit: You weren't even there so why don't you stfu

[edgarfigaro]

Lol, my ls just lost Nidhogg because outside person pulled it and died. Too bad we're not on Bahamut

[Squirrels]

maybe he was joking? thats what i got from his post lol

[Flash]

well i think it is a silly rule...and this is the first time i have actually ever heard it, I suppose if everyone is willing to follow it though i can live with it.

Not trying to start anything, but why do these "old" rules pop up when something happens that goes against BG. Where did this rule originate, and what were the circumstances. Please give a serious answer, i really am not trying to start crap.

[Weltall]

If you can't win with less than 18 gtfo. Any job should be able to last long enough to get in the ally.

[Xavier]

well i think it is a silly rule...and this is the first time i have actually ever heard it, I suppose if everyone is willing to follow it though i can live with it.

Not trying to start anything, but why do these "old" rules pop up when something happens that goes against BG. Where did this rule originate, and what were the circumstances. Please give a serious answer, i really am not trying to start crap.

Fk those BG nazis. :wink:

The rules come from a more civilized age, a time where HNMs were only Japanese. For all the bullshit I thought FI tried to pull, the one thing I'll say about other Japanese linkshells is that when they made the rules, they almost always followed them (FI follows them too, but changes them as needed). The reason that a system like that is on thin ice now on Bahamut is that other NAs are reaching the HNM point, and Americans on the whole are much more "fk the rules I'm taking what I want I earned this bitch". To everyone who has posted saying that they don't have any kind of rules like that on their server, I bet its because theres more than 1 NA linkshell thats killed all 3 Kings + all 4 CoP wyrms etc. The Bahamut endgame community is pretty far behind the rest of the servers, so their rules are a bit more out of date.

So yeah, the rules existed on Bahamut before all these NA linkshells even got there, and most people who already know them, just naturally expect them to be followed. But that doesn't mean that have to be. I'd say if people are unhappy with them, they should get together and make new ones.[/b]

[Lockecole]

The rules come from a more civilized age, a time where HNMs were only Japanese. For all the bullshit I thought FI tried to pull, the one thing I'll say about other Japanese linkshells is that when they made the rules, they almost always followed them (FI follows them too, but changes them as needed). The reason that a system like that is on thin ice now on Bahamut is that other NAs are reaching the HNM point, and Americans on the whole are much more "fk the rules I'm taking what I want I earned this bitch". To everyone who has posted saying that they don't have any kind of rules like that on their server, I bet its because theres more than 1 NA linkshell thats killed all 3 Kings + all 4 CoP wyrms etc. The Bahamut endgame community is pretty far behind the rest of the servers, so their rules are a bit more out of date.

So yeah, the rules existed on Bahamut before all these NA linkshells even got there, and most people who already know them, just naturally expect them to be followed. But that doesn't mean that have to be. I'd say if people are unhappy with them, they should get together and make new ones.[/b]

Exactly what's happening on Siren. Especially the JPs making rules, and then catering them to their needs.

[layoneil]

Not trying to start anything, but why do these "old" rules pop up when something happens that goes against BG. Where did this rule originate, and what were the circumstances. Please give a serious answer, i really am not trying to start crap.

they originated from the JP LS, PG, Way, Sekaix, VariousGlory, etc, etc.

the simple concept is this. with 3 Kings, there are 2 battles.

1) the battle for the claim with other LS.
2) the battle of your LS with the mob.

once the mob pops and it gets claimed, you ask around in your own LS if anyone has gotten, if no one has it, than your LS lost the first battle. you warp or escape and come back and wait to see if the group who did get it can win the second battle.

that's how they handled things, they lose the claim, concede the loss and than they move on.

this isn't a BG only thing, this is exactly what happened to FI at Aspid the other time. their pulling PT was dying and Kazoku claimed Aspid as soon as it went unclaimed, even though not all FI members were dead yet.

that was FI's argument than that under these rules they should still have claim. if Kazoku would've understood these rules than, they should've given Aspid back to FI. but it was still really gay to kill a CFH mob.

is it necessarily a perfect rule? i don't know, but if everyone follows it, it works. and it should work for you as many times as it works against you (unless your LS is incapable of getting the initial claim in the first place).

the opposite would be to circle around the mobs like vultures and have random claim wars whenever stuff goes yellow.

[Arvin]

It used to be like that over on Fairy, only a select few LS's had enough balls to spam provoke. It happened to our linkshell, and thankfully karma dickslapped that other LS with a spike flail. (This was all a longggg time ago.)

Ever since those LS's haven't shown up to kings, theres been nothing but courtesy at them.

[Janeru]

We all have seen it happen: some LS claims Fafhogg or other NM that everyone knows they cant beat, yet they decide to hold it 45-50 minutes for the hell of it.

Getting up at 6 am in a JP linkshell to camp a king sucks. Getting up, camping fafnir, claiming it and having it stolen by 3 members of ClubHTH who then proceeded to hold it for 1 hour, that sucks even worse.

[nsx]

To everyone who has posted saying that they don't have any kind of rules like that on their server, I bet its because theres more than 1 NA linkshell thats killed all 3 Kings + all 4 CoP wyrms etc.

While this is true on Midgard about the kings and wyrms now, the lack of rules went back to the days of GameOver w/ the JP linkshells stealing and mpking us whenever they saw fit.
It was basically because the one JP ls (NewCompany) had the whole place to themselves and didn't like us NAs horning in on 'their' HNMs.

Midgard - Lawlessness from the get go.

[Xrave]

Common thought in my LS is that the NM needs to 'regen a tick' before rage timer is reset; however, I have never seen a time to prove this to be true - thus, I believe the 'empty hate queue = reset timer" theory. Anyone have any clear cut evidence of either theory? For example, perhaps you claimed after a NM stopped aggroing people, but before it regen'd a tick, and got berserk'd in a short amount of time? Perhaps you claimed before it regenned a tick after a LS held it for 45 minutes, then took another 45 to kill, and never saw 'zerk mode, proving it doesn't need to regen a tick, only clear its queue? Any experiences I'm interested in because its a long standing debate just how long you have to wait.

The very first time my LS claimed Fafnir was the day of the HNM patch in August that implemented rage timers. The original LS that claimed FF is very hated by mine so no one used any abilities on them. The said LS, and everyone else, didn't know what to expect with the rage timer so at about the 1 hour mark (FF was only ~90% at this point...since they were either holding or just really sucking) FF went rage and started 1 shotting everyone. It was pretty funny since no one had seen this before.

Anyways, we all got on the opposite side of the room and after the last one of them died we waited about 10 sec or so after it went unclaimed then it agro'd us and it wasn't raged anymore.

[Zetah]

Lesson of the story: Midgard sucks.

[Raineer]

No hate list = rage reset = free game.

damnit >< the secret's out

[Zigma]

well, bg botted and went afk, the bot claimed and then they got their ill gotten mob back, gayness ftw

Right... and then that afk person started bitching on LS about people not knowing that he claimed with his psychic powers right?

Edit: You weren't even there so why don't you stfu

don't deny it, just ignore it.

[Opeth]

that situation sounds impossible, how can those 4-6 people have no hate on Nidhogg if 18 people in their LS was fighting it? if 18 wipe those 6 will eventually wipe too, if those 6 are capable of tanking and holding, they would've prevented the wipe in the first place before every last person in the main alliance is dead.

and from an outside perspective, you have no idea when another LS' main alliance completely wipes. i don't know anyone that keeps an updated roster of everyone else's LS and can count to when 18 of their people die.

If this "outside" alliance rule was in affect on my server, shit i would easily exploit it like that if for some reason the situation required it... heres a situation that would own that "outside" rule...

Newbie LS decides to fight nidhogg or any HNM... like most newbie LSes they usually bring some what of an army so for this sake we'll say they have 20 ppl there. Its taking them along ass time to fight it, its 5mins till rage and its still at 10%. They know they are going to lose to rage so wut do they do? make all the ppl who can ele seal sleep2 logout and join the outside allinace who did not touch anyone in the main alliance so they have no hate. now u have a group of maybe 10 ppl in a 2nd alliance that have no hate. the main alliances is getting owned and BAM nidhogg goes yellow no hate (rage timer resets) but hes till at 10%. with your "outside" alliance rule, then u allow that outside alliance to claim and sleep hold for about 15mins till they get everyone up, which gives them 45mins to kill a 10% nidhogg.


How can you not know when an alliance fully wipes to fafnir/nidhogg? lets see.. it chomps on ppl ... ppl die then it goes yellow and stands there for a little while, maybe even takes a step or 2. ive been point person for claiming a mob from dying alliances many times and trust me, its not that hard to figure out when the alliance is dead and hate is off.

[NynJa]

We all have seen it happen: some LS claims Fafhogg or other NM that everyone knows they cant beat, yet they decide to hold it 45-50 minutes for the hell of it.

Getting up at 6 am in a JP linkshell to camp a king sucks. Getting up, camping fafnir, claiming it and having it stolen by 3 members of ClubHTH who then proceeded to hold it for 1 hour, that sucks even worse.

pull the japanese cock out of your mouth and join a NA shell, and you wont have that problem.

[layoneil]

Newbie LS decides to fight nidhogg or any HNM... like most newbie LSes they usually bring some what of an army so for this sake we'll say they have 20 ppl there. Its taking them along ass time to fight it, its 5mins till rage and its still at 10%. They know they are going to lose to rage so wut do they do? make all the ppl who can ele seal sleep2 logout and join the outside allinace who did not touch anyone in the main alliance so they have no hate. now u have a group of maybe 10 ppl in a 2nd alliance that have no hate.

you get a true newbie LS of 30+ people to pull that off and i'll drop my Dalmatica.

you can't get a newbie LS of 30 people to get the hell out of breath range, let alone an entire 2nd alliance of people with no hate.

they'll be frantically dropping people in an out of the main alliance trying to get more firepower in to kill the mob provided their main alliance leaders are still alive.

and on Bahamut, once you have claim and start doing damage like that, we absolutely leave your LS completely alone.

if a new LS can sleep and recover, more power to them.

[Elcura]

if a new LS can sleep and recover, more power to them.

Then FI will want a little bit of "payment"

[Janeru]

We all have seen it happen: some LS claims Fafhogg or other NM that everyone knows they cant beat, yet they decide to hold it 45-50 minutes for the hell of it.

Getting up at 6 am in a JP linkshell to camp a king sucks. Getting up, camping fafnir, claiming it and having it stolen by 3 members of ClubHTH who then proceeded to hold it for 1 hour, that sucks even worse.

pull the japanese cock out of your mouth and join a NA shell, and you wont have that problem.

I think you missed the point.