WS question

[Jotaru]

Exactly - averaging. I can't much argue that having the bonuses 100% of the time is better than a weapon that averages higher over time (obviously - look at the focus on ACC and DoT in this game) However, if you're not in the position to mess with averages (you're busting 1-2 WS's to regen MP, etc) chances are that you won't crit (given the % on the weapon) which would raise the effectiveness of K. Pole. Put in other terms:

A 1000 dmg WS 5 times, or a 900 dmg WS 6 times... If you were partying or doing anything else for an extended period of time, use the 900 dmg one. If you were to pull a one shot wonder, use the 1000. Kinda a skewed example, but I was never really arguing that DoT wasn't best in the first place, simply showing that Kirin's Pole is in fact just as good.

[Aireiya]

Hmmm I assumed that spirit taker was like spirits within, in that it didn't crit.

Anyhow, in summary -

Kirin pole has an effective 3 more wdmg on WS

The crit staff will give you more damage while building tp, and give you a 6% chance to crit on ws.

[Not Kuno]

Well the crit on WS doesn't concern me since I'll be using it with Sneak Attack a majority of the time. But thanks so much everyone on all the info. I'm trying to find a staff that smn can use that would beat kirin's pole but right now all I think that exists is lvl4/5 staff.

[Nny]

I'm trying to find a staff that smn can use that would beat kirin's pole but right now all I think that exists is lvl4/5 staff.

Martial Staff > everything, probably even lv4/5 relic staff, for 100% TP Spirit Taker.

Martial weapons are generally the best to use if you're focusing on a weaponskill that's damage is dependant on TP.

[Raineer]

I'm trying to find a staff that smn can use that would beat kirin's pole but right now all I think that exists is lvl4/5 staff.

Martial Staff > everything, probably even lv4/5 relic staff, for 100% TP Spirit Taker.

Martial weapons are generally the best to use if you're focusing on a weaponskill that's damage is dependant on TP.

Savage Blade said the rdm

[Razz]

I'm trying to find a staff that smn can use that would beat kirin's pole but right now all I think that exists is lvl4/5 staff.

Martial Staff > everything, probably even lv4/5 relic staff, for 100% TP Spirit Taker.

Martial weapons are generally the best to use if you're focusing on a weaponskill that's damage is dependant on TP.

I don't see how that is correct when 200 TP spirit taker's multiplier isn't much higher than 100%'s....

[XxSlusherxx]

any ws mods that are not STR I have found to have a fairly small effect. I'd go with the new staff.

[Nny]

I'm trying to find a staff that smn can use that would beat kirin's pole but right now all I think that exists is lvl4/5 staff.

Martial Staff > everything, probably even lv4/5 relic staff, for 100% TP Spirit Taker.

Martial weapons are generally the best to use if you're focusing on a weaponskill that's damage is dependant on TP.

I don't see how that is correct when 200 TP spirit taker's multiplier isn't much higher than 100%'s....

Steel Cyclone's 100% mod > 1.5
Steel Cyclone's 200% mod > 1.75

Spirit Taker's 100% mod > 1.0
Spirit Takers 200% mod > 1.5

The difference between Martial Bhuj and Byakko's Axe (6 DMG, 5 ATK difference) > 200-300 in favor of Martial Bhuj.

The difference between 200% and 100% for Spirit Taker is .25 more then Steel Cyclone's, AND Kirin's Pole is only a 4 DMG, 10 INT, 10 MND difference.

[Janice]

Starburst is the best ws, it never misses.

[Septimus]

I'm trying to find a staff that smn can use that would beat kirin's pole but right now all I think that exists is lvl4/5 staff.

Martial Staff > everything, probably even lv4/5 relic staff, for 100% TP Spirit Taker.

Martial weapons are generally the best to use if you're focusing on a weaponskill that's damage is dependant on TP.

Savage Blade is the shittiest weapon skill ever made.

Fixed.

[Elcura]

I'm trying to find a staff that smn can use that would beat kirin's pole but right now all I think that exists is lvl4/5 staff.

Martial Staff > everything, probably even lv4/5 relic staff, for 100% TP Spirit Taker.

Martial weapons are generally the best to use if you're focusing on a weaponskill that's damage is dependant on TP.

Wasp Sting is the shittiest weapon skill ever made.

Fixed.

Double fixed

not even sure it's called that, should be called "stabbing you with a toothpick"

[Raineer]

I'm trying to find a staff that smn can use that would beat kirin's pole but right now all I think that exists is lvl4/5 staff.

Martial Staff > everything, probably even lv4/5 relic staff, for 100% TP Spirit Taker.

Martial weapons are generally the best to use if you're focusing on a weaponskill that's damage is dependant on TP.

Savage Blade is the shittiest weapon skill ever made.

Fixed.

well.....

In the RDM realm, name a use for Martial Anelace or Martial Knife. Savage at 200 with MA isn't all THAT sucky >_> Hell at like 130TP it does 350-450 on waters in solo gear, not that bad