Awesome, I'm quitting the game for wow.

[Sassarai]

We gave them out to other NA lses.

[Banigaru]

We sell our junk relatively cheap, 1 mil for usual FF drops is pretty reasonable.

[vudoodoodoo]

Reason I would quit for WoW.
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[Sidd]

give them to other LS's for free?

'hey gang, lets get free shit from this guys ls when they don't need it! we don't have to bother camping, claiming, killing, or anything! lol!"

[Elcura]

BB items are 100% from kings, any LS that camps them regurarly will have to sell them eventually. 3-5mil for BB items is resonable (although I wouldn't buy it for that much seeing as one drops every week) but 10mil is insane, now mnks have a 30mil item if this is a trend that keeps up *assuming FI still sells*

[Sassarai]

actually they have been camping longer then us and some around the same time. Server used to be dominated by jps until the recent patch.

[NynJa]

cool, I need a wyrm beard and adamantoise egg. XD

[aurik]

I don't remember any NA LS selling BB items on Asura. I myself was given a tongue for free from a competing (but friendly) HNMLS off of a NQ behemoth, though really it was just a matter of time before I got mine under my own LS's power.

The thinking here isn't "wow let's give it to people that didn't work for it!" but rather, "hey this is gonna fall to the ground / sit in storage, why don't we give it to other people who are trying to get the item and would put it to good use?"

[aers]

we've given away a lot of abjurations from fafnir.. and a lot of wyrm beards too.. for free :/ fafnir nearly allways drops talon so most people dont care because they get money anyway (in fact, quite a few fafnirs recently the abjs all went to outside people >.>)

[wiegraf]

The thinking here isn't "wow let's give it to people that didn't work for it!" but rather, "hey this is gonna fall to the ground / sit in storage, why don't we give it to other people who are trying to get the item and would put it to good use?"

most linkshells have the mentality that if you're not with them, you're against them.. I'm sure most would sooner junk BB items than give them away

[berticus]

haha, happier and happier

FF probably would have been 2-3 months more enjoyable if they had all died in a fire

[aurik]

The thinking here isn't "wow let's give it to people that didn't work for it!" but rather, "hey this is gonna fall to the ground / sit in storage, why don't we give it to other people who are trying to get the item and would put it to good use?"

most linkshells have the mentality that if you're not with them, you're against them.. I'm sure most would sooner junk BB items than give them away

My thinking is, if we give them stuff that we absolutely don't care about, they will have one less reason to camp against us.

[Yuo]

i dont think anything is wrong with buying abjuration

It defeats the purpose of playing the game. The idea behind the gear is that you get a group of people together who have enough strategy and skill to kill hard monsters that reward you with good gear. Buying them defeats the purpose of endgame design, and the term RMT loosely applies to it now as something you didn't really earn. More than that, if you aren't killing the mobs in the first place, theres a 95% chance you do not need the gear that drops off them anyway, and looking pretty in Jeuno is your endgame fantasy.

The counter-argument is that claiming one of the mobs is really hard, and a far weaker (gayer) argument is that its hard to get enough people together capable of killing them in the first place.

The counter-counter argument is that Square doesn't have any concept of mass endgame appeal and the system itself is broken, but not impossible to be engaged in.

that's your opinion i guess. im not going to create an analogy to paying someone to walk your dog or mow your lawn etc because i dont think that applies..., and i know that abj were labeled rare/ex to distinguish them from other items (craftables, etc)

but you have to realize that everything in this game (just like the real world) has a price. and for many people, particularly crafters, buying an abj for the aformentioned prices (which are high, it seems) ends up much much much more efficient for that person.

and your comment on "not needing the gear in the first place" is pretty ridiculous. nobody needs the gear that drops off those NMs. drks dont need ridills and mages dont need dalmaticas, its just a bonus. its a luxury. so just because you don't fight those NMs doesn't necessarily mean you can't make use of them.

if SE really wanted to prevent people from buying abj, they would have made alliances in a manner that disables any new party members from casting lot for a mob that has already been killed, or something.

[Xavier]

i dont think anything is wrong with buying abjuration

It defeats the purpose of playing the game.

but you have to realize that everything in this game (just like the real world) has a price. and for many people, particularly crafters, buying an abj for the aformentioned prices (which are high, it seems) ends up much much much more efficient for that person.

The product of capitalism.

and your comment on "not needing the gear in the first place" is pretty ridiculous. nobody needs the gear that drops off those NMs. drks dont need ridills and mages dont need dalmaticas, its just a bonus. its a luxury. so just because you don't fight those NMs doesn't necessarily mean you can't make use of them.

Nobody needs any gear at all. Almost everything can technically be done in AF1, but its about efficency. Are you seriously suggesting that koenig legs on a paladin tanking Vrtra are only as useful as a crafter camping the AH? I think thats ridiculous. Gear is for effiency. The RDM who camps Serket can use a Verm, the RDM in the main tank pt at Jorm needs the Dalmatica.

Is it really that big of a deal to ask people to kill the monsters themselves instead of throwing gil at the linkshells who take the time to do it? Its cheating the system to get endgame gear without participating in endgame, and the majority of the people who disagree are the ones buying the gear anyway.

if SE really wanted to prevent people from buying abj, they would have made alliances in a manner that disables any new party members from casting lot for a mob that has already been killed, or something.

That's a great way to screw the useless jobs in the alliance out of ever getting anything at all.

[Yuo]

i dont think anything is wrong with buying abjuration

It defeats the purpose of playing the game.

but you have to realize that everything in this game (just like the real world) has a price. and for many people, particularly crafters, buying an abj for the aformentioned prices (which are high, it seems) ends up much much much more efficient for that person.

The product of capitalism.

and your comment on "not needing the gear in the first place" is pretty ridiculous. nobody needs the gear that drops off those NMs. drks dont need ridills and mages dont need dalmaticas, its just a bonus. its a luxury. so just because you don't fight those NMs doesn't necessarily mean you can't make use of them.

Nobody needs any gear at all. Almost everything can technically be done in AF1, but its about efficency. Are you seriously suggesting that koenig legs on a paladin tanking Vrtra are only as useful as a crafter camping the AH? I think thats ridiculous. Gear is for effiency. The RDM who camps Serket can use a Verm, the RDM in the main tank pt at Jorm needs the Dalmatica.

Is it really that big of a deal to ask people to kill the monsters themselves instead of throwing gil at the linkshells who take the time to do it? Its cheating the system to get endgame gear without participating in endgame, and the majority of the people who disagree are the ones buying the gear anyway.

if SE really wanted to prevent people from buying abj, they would have made alliances in a manner that disables any new party members from casting lot for a mob that has already been killed, or something.

That's a great way to screw the useless jobs in the alliance out of ever getting anything at all.

i definitely see where you're coming from, i just disagree. personally, i wouldnt buy an abj because a) i dont have that kind of gil and b) my LS is capable of killing them for me. so i guess im in the minority.

just because you define "participating in endgame" as hunting HNMs, doesn't mean that's necessarily what it is. its not cheating the system at all. its essentially the same concept as someone getting a high level to kill coffer key mobs for them, or high levels to kill their Af3 mobs. we're all guilty of it lotting a rare/ex item that we didn't actually kill from beginning to end. just because these items are on a much larger scale doesn't change that concept.

i just cant imagine anyone who has 100,000,000++ sitting in their inventory who would want to spend hours and hours camping HNMs for weeks when they can show up for a couple minutes and pick up an item for some gil that is almost insignificant to them. i camp HNM and i dont find it to be particularly fun, but i do it because that's my only means of getting those items.

[Sassarai]

Only thing hard about killing these hnms is claimming them;;. The purpose of this game is to show off in uuuber gear while standing in jueno all day!

[Carbon]

just because you define "participating in endgame" as hunting HNMs, doesn't mean that's necessarily what it is. its not cheating the system at all. its essentially the same concept as someone getting a high level to kill coffer key mobs for them, or high levels to kill their Af3 mobs. we're all guilty of it lotting a rare/ex item that we didn't actually kill from beginning to end. just because these items are on a much larger scale doesn't change that concept.

pwned.

[Xavier]

just because you define "participating in endgame" as hunting HNMs, doesn't mean that's necessarily what it is. its not cheating the system at all. its essentially the same concept as someone getting a high level to kill coffer key mobs for them, or high levels to kill their Af3 mobs. we're all guilty of it lotting a rare/ex item that we didn't actually kill from beginning to end. just because these items are on a much larger scale doesn't change that concept.

i just cant imagine anyone who has 100,000,000++ sitting in their inventory who would want to spend hours and hours camping HNMs for weeks when they can show up for a couple minutes and pick up an item for some gil that is almost insignificant to them. i camp HNM and i dont find it to be particularly fun, but i do it because that's my only means of getting those items.

I'd counter that by saying that when you have a high-level come to help you get a coffer key, its because you are physically unable to do it yourself the first time through the game, or don't know anyone yet at that lvl to do it. I'd wager that by the time you hit 75 however, you're in a linkshell w/ a fair amount of friends, and have a much wider group of people to help you out. I'd also counter by saying that when someone helps w/ a coffer key, you're involved in the process, in the party with him, engaged on the mob and either helping him damage it or curing him. Afking while a linkshell kills a mob and then handing them gil is different. But I understand where you're coming from, just have to agree to disagree.

On the second part though, thats a heavily influenced American/capitalist attitude. Just because someone has money doesn't mean they're entitled to have something. I really disagree w/ that aspect of American culture, but that doesn't mean I don't agree w/ you that the game works like that.

[Janice]

just because you define "participating in endgame" as hunting HNMs, doesn't mean that's necessarily what it is. its not cheating the system at all. its essentially the same concept as someone getting a high level to kill coffer key mobs for them, or high levels to kill their Af3 mobs. we're all guilty of it lotting a rare/ex item that we didn't actually kill from beginning to end. just because these items are on a much larger scale doesn't change that concept.

I would say it is more like being a lvl 50-something character who is trying to get their AF coffer or key, and a group of lvl 75s are killing every mob saying the only way you will ever get a key is if you pay us.

[layoneil]

just because you define "participating in endgame" as hunting HNMs, doesn't mean that's necessarily what it is. its not cheating the system at all. its essentially the same concept as someone getting a high level to kill coffer key mobs for them, or high levels to kill their Af3 mobs. we're all guilty of it lotting a rare/ex item that we didn't actually kill from beginning to end. just because these items are on a much larger scale doesn't change that concept.

the concept doesn't change, you're right.

but i am absolutely not guilty of paying a high level to do my genkais for me or killing my AF NMs.

have i gotten some high level help for it? yes. did i pay them? absolutely not.

do i help my friends for this stuff? at the rare chance that i have the time to, i do. do i charge them for it? absolutely not.

do i help strangers do it? when i'm in a really good mood, i would. would i accept payment for it? depends.