Awesome, I'm quitting the game for wow.

[Demetrios]

bahamut sucks at botting

[Zigrah]

Too bad the gilsellers will sell you Zenith Mitts for 500k... not that I'd buy from them either.

On the other note, I am 99% positive my Linkshell could clobber Nidhogg if we won the pull, and that's confidence level that's all. You can't blame me for that... the fact that the pop is rare and that I can't be bothered that much to him is another fact. In reality my linkshell will probably kill Vrtra before we get Nidhogg... it's just not worth the effort if you ask me. Sure the drops are nice but I hate the camping especially because I just don't have the kind of time to waste. Anyways just because we haven't done it doesn't make us incapable either, it's just improven. Your entitled to think I am wrong, I won't argue with you over it, but there's nothing wrong with a linkshell saying they can do it if they think they can.

When and if they prove themselves you'll have been wrong and for what purpose is it to stomp on them. Maybe it's just me but I cheer for the underdog... if someone other than BG pulls Nidhogg and it's not our linkshell... sure I hope they fail so we get a chance but at the same time I hope they win because it's a cool triumph... i'd be happy for them.

[Orfeo]

[quote="Razz"]NAs have been lacking on Bahamut partly because of the constant JP domination. When you don't get many chances to kill something, it means you won't be able to improve therefore you're stuck in a rut, however I do agree it is pitiful that only BG can kill something like faf/nid. quote]

I know that SB, UDF, FF (before whatever the fuck happened to them happened), and I think Equilibrium have killed fafnir a couple times. Equilibrium got nidhogg to 20% or something like that before somebody chi blasted a darter.

NA's on bahamut just lack the motivation to camp kings. For what...over a year i guess, they were dominated by bots. Now the majority of us who never camped back then still feel "whats the use?". BG and FI claim like 90% of all kings still, even ones where other ls's are there.

[Raineer]

bahamut sucks at botting

siren doesn't :'(

[layoneil]

Anyways just because we haven't done it doesn't make us incapable either, it's just improven. Your entitled to think I am wrong, I won't argue with you over it, but there's nothing wrong with a linkshell saying they can do it if they think they can.

"i'm not a virgin, i just haven't had sex yet. i know i'm capable of having sex if i wanted to."

you think there's nothing at all wrong with statements similar to that?

When and if they prove themselves you'll have been wrong and for what purpose is it to stomp on them.

a simple statement of fact does not equal a stomping. except people always take it that way for no good reason.

it's like calling a fat guy fat. people who flip out are insecure, don't blame people for telling the truth.

if you're fat and i say you're fat, i'm not wrong. if you lose 200 pounds after i said it, it still doesn't make what i said wrong.

[Zigrah]

But it's not it's like you calling me fat because someone else told you I was fat but you never met me. I mean it's simple to me. Nothing is proven until it's done, I concede that but just because it hasn't been done does not mean it couldn't be done.

How can you say with 100% certainty that my linkshell can't kill it, the reality is you can't... just as I can't say with 100% certainty that I can kill it. I can however say that I am pretty confident we can and until they up the pop frequency or i decide to along with my entire linkshell to suddenly be hardcore enough to camp it daily until we get it there will be no proof in either extreme. I agree that nothing is proven until it's done but I disagree that just because you say so and we haven't that our confidence is wrong.

I'll rewrite your statement to

"i AM a virgin, but I don't have to be, nothing is holding me back I just lack the motivation to do so"

I think that is more accurate.

I mean if you want to claim and hold the NM for us I would gladly come and prove you right or wrong but other than that I am not gonna waste my time camping Nidhogg. I will instead go after the harder Wyrms and if my linkshell kills those first then you'll be unable to say anything. We killed Fafnir first try... and while it's not Nidhogg we still remain confident in our capabilities... this will not change just because you doubt us.

So go ahead and think what you want, your completely entitled but you won't shake my confidence level in the slightest and maybe one day we will prove you wrong. Until them enjoy wasting your time at Nidhogg, my linkshell just has different priorities.

[layoneil]

I agree that nothing is proven until it's done but I disagree that just because you say so and we haven't that our confidence is wrong.

there's a thin line between self-confident and bragging. when BG says they did something they did, it becomes bragging. when someone else says they can do something they haven't, it becomes confidence.

So go ahead and think what you want, your completely entitled but you won't shake my confidence level in the slightest and maybe one day we will prove you wrong.

i'm not one to say "can't", i usually say "haven't". but when there's 150+ people in Aery and i see more than 10 Reraise Hairpins going off, i can't help but sometimes feel, that a lot of people "can't".

i don't meddle enough in other LS's business to know who is who and no NAs have done it enough to make me remember.

Until them enjoy wasting your time at Nidhogg, my linkshell just has different priorities.

Barone Corazza > Adaman Haubrek LOL???

[Raineer]

It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how
the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have
done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in
the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who
strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who
knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends
himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who
at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so
that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who
know neither victory nor defeat.

People that have > People that haven't

sorry :/

but the "people that have" shouldn't brag

[layoneil]

but the "people that have" shouldn't brag

i don't disagree with that either, except than we would have no videos, no website, no frontpage update, no forums.

cause all of those things have been labelled as bragging.

[Raineer]

but the "people that have" shouldn't brag

i don't disagree with that either, except than we would have no videos, no website, no frontpage update, no forums.

cause all of those things have been labelled as bragging.

I'm not saying it's bragging. I think it's pretty cool. I *like* to read frontpages of other LS's, even on my server. I want to see what others are up to. I like to watch FF movies too of the fights, it gives a really unique perspective even though I've killed everything in the game except KV, somehow it's still fun for me to watch.

Bragging is done in posts for the most part (imo), I was just putting a qualifier on my post lol

[berticus]

if fi would just diaf more NA LSes would have chances to wipe which would eventually lead to victory. its how everyone got there, even us.

[Zigrah]

I was happy for BG when they killed Vrtra, it's not bragging. They killed something cool and were happy about it. Now if members of BG started constantly reminding the server how they could do it and how they were so much better (whether they are or not) it gets excessive.

Barone Corazza > Adaman Haubrek LOL???

For some of us this game isn't only about items... that's like saying Lord of Onzozo is the coolest mob in the game because he drops the most valuable item. The challenge of Jorm or Tiamat is equal if not more than Nidhogg and it is up unclaimed more often so what is wrong with my linkshell diverting it's attention to that if it doesn't require as haijin a lifestyle. It's that kind of elitist attitude that looks poor... You can get an Adaman Hauberk for all your level 1 PLD's for all I care... I just want to kill a wyrm and have some fun.

It's not like Nidhogg doesn't have equipment I want. Neptunal Legs Abjuration would be awesome, however I just have neither the time nor the desire to waste 3 hours a day camping vs 150 people for a chance at a pull for a mob that might not even pop as the king. It's a waste of time to me and like I said... I won't say you don't have a life like some would conclude because that's not for me to judge but your priorities greatly differ from my own. You certainly have a lot more free time than me it seems, in my opinion you waste it but it's your time to waste and your entitled.

[Zigma]

BG is the only NA ls that "has" killed nidhogg, BG isnt the only NA ls that "can" kill nidhogg

that almost changed, a NA linkshell won the random to a nidhogg after another linkshell wiped, not even having fought a single fafnir in their life, they took nidhogg down to 20% and could have won if they did not get a darter.

[Zigrah]

But they did get a darter... and did fail which only proves their point sort of... but they will probably get it next time.

[Carbon]

Yeah... it seemed to be the trend, so I thought I'd give it a whirl. I just thought it was funny I was the only one pointed out, and goes to show that you just don't give a shit bout the others. Ah well...

[Aldur]

if fi would just diaf more NA LSes would have chances to wipe which would eventually lead to victory. its how everyone got there, even us.

I'm one of those people "wasting time in Hokuten" that Razz referred to. Newsflash: Not everyone considers BG the end-all of FF11 endgame. Now I know that's mystifying to *some* of you BG'ers. I'll admit to having admired BG's accomplishments on many occasions. I have also grown weary of the back-handed insults thrown out at other LS's who haven't accomplished those same goals. I don't consider it a waste of my time at all that I'm not in BG. What you guys sometimes perceive as jealousy is in fact true irritation at your lack of respect for anyone not in BG. We've tried hard to steer clear of the many flame wars here and to not single out any one member of any one LS. Perhaps we have failed on occasion to do this, but we've never intended to start shit, only to respond when we're pulled into it. There's a alot of great players out there who aren't in BG. Maybe they feel an extra sense of satisfaction at having done (or attempted) something harder without being in the name-brand LS? I'm not trying to slur BG here. I just don't think its a big fucking mystery why people aren't all trying to cram themselves into BG. BTW thanks Berticus for reminding us that we all take our lumps coming up. Some of your people seem to have forgotten that.

[Carbon]

if fi would just diaf more NA LSes would have chances to wipe which would eventually lead to victory. its how everyone got there, even us.

Newsflash: Not everyone considers BG the end-all of FF11 endgame. Now I know that's mystifying to *some* of you BG'ers. I'll admit to having admired BG's accomplishments on many occasions. I have also grown weary of the back-handed insults thrown out at other LS's who haven't accomplished those same goals. I don't consider it a waste of my time at all that I'm not in BG. What you guys sometimes perceive as jealousy is in fact true irritation at your lack of respect for anyone not in BG. We've tried hard to steer clear of the many flame wars here and to not single out any one member of any one LS. Perhaps we have failed on occasion to do this, but we've never intended to start shit, only to respond when we're pulled into it. There's a alot of great players out there who aren't in BG. Maybe they feel an extra sense of satisfaction at having done (or attempted) something harder without being in the name-brand LS? I'm not trying to slur BG here. I just don't think its a big fucking mystery why people aren't all trying to cram themselves into BG. BTW thanks Berticus for reminding us that we all take our lumps coming up. Some of your people seem to have forgotten that.

[Amarok]

How can you claim flat out that you can kill Nidhogg but then say something like:

I just have neither the time nor the desire to waste 3 hours a day camping vs 150 people for a chance at a pull for a mob that might not even pop as the king. It's a waste of time to me

I could become president if I wanted to, but I have neither the time nor the desire to.

I also agree that it's fun to be in a LS that hasn't already accomplished everything so you're a part of the good feeling you get when you do it for your first time. Everybody is going to wipe to Fafnir/Nidhogg at some point, it's that practice that lets you know what you did wrong and how to fix it.

[berticus]

if fi would just diaf more NA LSes would have chances to wipe which would eventually lead to victory. its how everyone got there, even us.

I'm one of those people "wasting time in Hokuten" that Razz referred to. Newsflash: Not everyone considers BG the end-all of FF11 endgame. Now I know that's mystifying to *some* of you BG'ers. I'll admit to having admired BG's accomplishments on many occasions. I have also grown weary of the back-handed insults thrown out at other LS's who haven't accomplished those same goals. I don't consider it a waste of my time at all that I'm not in BG. What you guys sometimes perceive as jealousy is in fact true irritation at your lack of respect for anyone not in BG. We've tried hard to steer clear of the many flame wars here and to not single out any one member of any one LS. Perhaps we have failed on occasion to do this, but we've never intended to start shit, only to respond when we're pulled into it. There's a alot of great players out there who aren't in BG. Maybe they feel an extra sense of satisfaction at having done (or attempted) something harder without being in the name-brand LS? I'm not trying to slur BG here. I just don't think its a big fucking mystery why people aren't all trying to cram themselves into BG. BTW thanks Berticus for reminding us that we all take our lumps coming up. Some of your people seem to have forgotten that.

my main point is that FI are basically in game terrorists. i dont want to belittle other groups that are trying (since like i said we were) but my heartfelt advice is do it somewhere else, anywhere.

there's a race going on
who makes FF worse, faggots like FI, or square?

[Surealistic]

BG is the only NA ls that "has" killed nidhogg, BG isnt the only NA ls that "can" kill nidhogg

that almost changed, a NA linkshell won the random to a nidhogg after another linkshell wiped, not even having fought a single fafnir in their life, they took nidhogg down to 20% and could have won if they did not get a darter.

>.> i know, thats my ls