Official December 2005 Update Speculation Thread

[Nikko]

plz dont explain to ppl that those camps are actually good lol, dont need more competition in sea..

yah!! Aerns suck to exp on cause they have like 40 tp moves that completely destroy any pt! =P

i bet ppl thought exp'ing on bones was stupid at one time too.

[Razz]

plz dont explain to ppl that those camps are actually good lol, dont need more competition in sea..

yah!! Aerns suck to exp on cause they have like 40 tp moves that completely destroy any pt! =P

i bet ppl thought exp'ing on bones was stupid at one time too.

Back in the day, bones really sucked to XP on, then god gave us light skill chains, and all was well in the land.

[Lockecole]

Ummm bring a buncha piercing jobs (THF,DRG,RNG) and watch a bird drop in one SC....

Xavier if you think a good WAR/NIN PT wont just utterly demolish w/e mob is thrown at it, Im surprised you have so little faith in us.

Head to U.Range, instead of making the right to Jorm after the ramp, make a left and head all the way to the end. And start to wipe the mobs..Ive gotten chain 18 there, chain 18 that consisted of several 200+ per mob kills. Not only that it was the MOST fun Ive had XPing at a camp..ever.
Notice I said fun and XPing at the same time? Maybe that would be possible for more people if you didnt stick to the same camp over and over and over for 1,000,000XP. :wink:

[Xavier]

Sea isn't for a normal exp pt? Define normal then.

Floor 2: pld, mnk, thf, rdm, blm, brd = 7-8k/hour in sea. Is that not normal?
Floor 1: Nin, rng, thf, rdm, brd, whm = 6-7k/hour (post rng nerf ; Is that not normal?

Like I said, low standards. The past two jobs I've lvled to 75, and every merit pt I've been in for the past 8 months has been @ or over 10k an hour. The best have hit about 13k.

And we were exping with a PALADIN and pulled 7-8k/hour. Maybe you just had bad luck or a bad experience.

The paladin that I referenced had excalibur lol.

Maybe that would be possible for more people if you didnt stick to the same camp over and over and over for 1,000,000XP.

Plenty of camps leveling up, the problem is all you do is fight crabs till 70.

[Lockecole]

Plenty of camps leveling up, the problem is all people choose to do is follow the masses and fight crabs till 70.

Fixed.

1-67 on my BRD, had a small session of crabs from 17-20, and thats it, never before or since touched a crab camp.

[Razz]

60-70 is all bibiki these days, and then 70-72 is still bibiki...which I don't mind because Bibiki sets an example of how exp zones should be:

1. Big enough to support a large number of parties

2. 5-6min repops. 16minute repops is bullshit imo, especially when you have 4 WARs killing mobs in like 40secs.

[Lockecole]

2. 5-6min repops. 16minute repops is bullshit imo, especially when you have 4 WARs killing mobs in like 40secs.

Agreed, 5min repops saved this game. If only they would adjust certain places to be the same.

[layoneil]

every zone should be 5 minute repops, imagine the merits you can get while your LS is fighting Vrtra.

[Eaglestrike]

plz dont explain to ppl that those camps are actually good lol, dont need more competition in sea..

yah!! Aerns suck to exp on cause they have like 40 tp moves that completely destroy any pt! =P

i bet ppl thought exp'ing on bones was stupid at one time too.

Aerns suck ass. And don't bring a ninja tank if you're going to fight Ghrah's, Sickle Slash ignores shadows FTW!

[Correction]

5 min repops everywhere would sure as hell make BST, more than any other job, an order of magnitude easier to level from 1-35

I almost forgot to add 'Add some kind of reasonable exp zone for 73-75 BST to solo in.' It's fkn agony to the point where I bow to anybody who puts up with that shit. 75 BST has known pain like no other.

I think xavier mixed up aura weapons with aura statues. I don't really mind exping on a.weapons, but I can see how not having a brd+rdm (I don't even bother exping without that combo anymore) can make the exp slow down a bunch. With the pair of dispellers though they're as fast as deco weapons as long as your melee frontline doesn't suck ass.

Aura Statues are more standard-pt friendly but the exp is substantially slower, especially if one spams thunder break on your pt over and over again and you can't manage past chain 6 regularly (which is often the case at the ulli camp).

Low standards are for people who like wasting time. 10k/hour minimum or I'm finding something else do to with that hour. And so far there are only 3 zones where this is possible. And that's really really stupid. Thank god I have BRD leveled or I'd go crazy.

[BRP]

uh, get off the high horse. Getting 4k+ an hour is just fine. You don't ZOMG10K an hour... you can't call those areas gimp, just because you are gimping yourself mentally.

EDIT: They never said Avatars for sure. Also I believe there will be another update for CoP, which will contain a second Diorama.

[Lockecole]

uh, get off the high horse. Getting 4k+ an hour is just fine. You don't ZOMG10K an hour... you can't call those areas gimp, just because you are gimping yourself mentally.

I dunno..I dont think its a matter of a high horse. I know what he means. 75 Merit Point PTs..I seriously wont put up with anything short of a moving camp, with prime 8k+ XP/hour. Its just not worth it. Xping from 1-75...thats a whole nother ballgame, sometimes you're forced to tough it out just to hit 75. Once you're 75 though, merits are all choice...and not entirely necessary, that's why you normally pick and choose when you wanna do them. If its not prime, you normally have better things to do with that hour. Especially as a BRD you can be like...ok get me this and this job, and lets go here, and normally you can get your way.

[Remus]

uh, get off the high horse. Getting 4k+ an hour is just fine. You don't ZOMG10K an hour... you can't call those areas gimp, just because you are gimping yourself mentally.

4k+ an hour is NOT fine. Those are exp parties, which are fundamentally different from merit parties. When you need 50000 - 90000 exp for an upgrade, 4k an hour won't cut it.

[BRP]

You realize 4k+ would mean everything above 4K? As in 5k, 6k, ect... however, below 10k.

[NynJa]

uh, get off the high horse. Getting 4k+ an hour is just fine. You don't ZOMG10K an hour... you can't call those areas gimp, just because you are gimping yourself mentally.

4k+ an hour is NOT fine. Those are exp parties, which are fundamentally different from merit parties. When you need 50000 - 90000 exp for an upgrade, 4k an hour won't cut it.

um...
so when you need 35k for a lvup, 4k/hr cuts it ??

[BRP]

You realize 4k+ would mean everything above 4K? As in 5k, 6k, ect... however, below 10k.

[Kimiko]

SMNs can solo bombs at 75 for 200+ exp up to chain 5 if lucky :D

And BLM can solo a good portion of Sea for 264-300 a kill.

[BRP]

BLMs can also solo Elementals, for less exp(assuming we are not including exp rings) and clusters.

[Nirokun!]

My highest chain on smn was 562 on chain 2 i think. I couldnt get any higher than that because as i leveled up, the exp went down Base 200 from one of the weaker ones made me sad (((

Anyways, as smn i solo/duo (with another smn) 57-65, 65-69 BST PT, 69-75 solo/duo (with another smn). At points along that path i took like....1 good PT invite, the rest all sucked and/or were -exp PTs ; ;

I liked getting my 4k exp every afternoon to 75, it was great, and took under an hour, good for school :3

[Orfeo]

I almost forgot to add 'Add some kind of reasonable exp zone for 73-75 BST to solo in.' It's fkn agony to the point where I bow to anybody who puts up with that shit. 75 BST has known pain like no other.

73-74 sky, 74-75 bibiki bay. It's really no worse then like 67-70, those levels f*cking sucked. But if you want true hell, 71-72 BST. That level sucked so much since all the NA bst's were either higher then me, lower then me, or just plain noobs. I admit it, I joined standard exp parties as bst/nin for that level ;x saved myself so much bitching.

Demons suck to xp on, they hit fairly hard, their weaponskills are strong, and the one mob actually dooms you (I know I don't pay enough attention in an xp pt to turn away).

Eh... 3war brd rdm whm (yea you need the three mages ;/) gets like 9-10k an hour there. More then enough for me to be happy.

edit: back on topic, you forgot the revision of combat shit.... ie possible endgame melee fix.