Let's try to get SE to fix bst.. ;x

[cubone]

Oh, ok :3

I'm a little pissy since my favorite job got screwed I hate my other job. (BRD) lol well, maybe not hate, but it's not as fun as BST

lol yeah if my BRD got nerfed i wouldnt of cared...

ok here is a BST player orly type of question:

does this patch affect anything much on areas like Ifrits and Ru'Ann Gardens? for soloing of course...

i left my BST at 68 with about 5k exp to 69... isnt Ifrit next on the solo path to 70? and sky afterwards?

i cant check cuz i dont got FFXI here (iraq) roflwaffles... :wink:

its awesome to be away from the game for 6+ months then hearing your job gets "adjusted"

[SilverBreeze]

Somebody in another thread said he was at a convention of SE's where they were asked that exact question. They answered that "that's the way WoW does it, and we don't want to copy their style."

I'm sorry, but that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, so you're not going to use a way to fix something in game, just cause someone else used it? (Hmm maybe if you fixed it before WoW came out you wouldn't have to copy it you stupid bitches.) That sounds just like something Square would say. I wonder why WoW is taking their players, cause people are getting fed up with their stupidity, their hype, and their constant let downs and ball dropping everytime they do something. I wonder what's going to lose you more people, fixing the game even though you think its "copying", or screwing over people until they quit. Hmmm

Sorry guys, I don't usually rant like this.

[Zigrah]

Ok, need to get something straight.

#1 Wow's system copied to the letter would be equally crappy for Beastmasters as the current patch.

#2 Wow did not conceive this idea first. Everquest did.

But yes, SE can be directly quoted as saying they didn't want to copy anyone's method to the letter. But as BG learned at the Texas event where that same tidbit was quoted is that these people aren't the developers anyways. While they may have some knowledge of some things, the people you gotta blame are the devs who aren't NA and weren't at the event.

[Zigrah]

I was trying to Illustrate a point Sendoh, your stubborn as hell sometimes... whatever you XP on, having it repopping on a lesser con being VT instead of IT it's not cool with me.

What I mean is you can basically train without recourse now, some people used to not do it because they had a guilty conscience of inadvertantly mpk'ing someone. If somebody was doing it every 30 seconds running by because nothing bad can come of it they may feel the need to rethink things. It's just a silly suggestion in a time where I am pissed off and at a loss for how to make them realize that they are screwing the game up.

[layoneil]

I was trying to Illustrate a point Sendoh, your stubborn as hell sometimes... whatever you XP on, having it repopping on a lesser con being VT instead of IT it's not cool with me.

i'm stubborn as hell all the time.

and having a PT member DC is not cool with me, that happens way more often than a pulling mob losing aggro.

illustrate your point with something that actually happens (like BST getting screwed), XP PTs are not getting screwed by this.

What I mean is you can basically train without recourse now, some people used to not do it because they had a guilty conscience of inadvertantly mpk'ing someone.

and they don't have a guilty conscience of robbing an entire low level zone of XP mobs? they should get their conscience and brain checked.

It's just a silly suggestion in a time where I am pissed off and at a loss for how to make them realize that they are screwing the game up.

if they can't see the huge negative impact this has on BSTs, they surely won't see your silly suggestions for anything more than that either.

so stop wasting your time on silly suggestions and make legitamite ones. that's my point that you keep missing.

[aurik]

What I mean is you can basically train without recourse now, some people used to not do it because they had a guilty conscience of inadvertantly mpk'ing someone.

I have used this to my advantage already several times. Kinda nifty I can just zone almost anything. With a good connection and a bit of knowledge of how monsters path, you can outrun stuff that moves at normal speed. Now you don't even have to feel guilty about the 15 goblin smithies / 20 citadel bats / 30 crawlers chasing your low level job to zone.

[Demetrick]

illustrate your point with something that actually happens (like BST getting screwed), XP PTs are not getting screwed by this.

~I'll help. Convert all my Dire Bats from DC/T to EM. Fight magic pots/giants/dolls with the occasional Chain#1 of 336 solo. otherwise about 220-260 per fight.

~Accidentally moving a EM bat too far from its radius and it rerolls as a T either drops my EXP to under 200 per fight if i keep using it, or spend the time moving it out of the radius and having it re-reroll.

The second is completely feasable, however its time consuming when it comes down to xp/hour.

This is an example of being screwed for solo xp.

[Nagamaki]

The things that were being said about effect on normal xp PTs are minimal to non-existent, that's the point.

About the re-roll, that is very clearly a giant bug in this fix, since the update explicitly states that its the same mob, not a new mob. There's something broken in their code since the level is rerolled and even NM lottery occurs (didn't see this firsthand, going by reports on Despot).

If they fix that part there will still be an impact on BST due to location, but at least the DCs and EMs you found/popped should no longer change level. Considering the text of the update, they damn well better at least fix that, or they're even stupider than people think.

[Septimus]

About the re-roll, that is very clearly a giant bug in this fix, since the update explicitly states that its the same mob, not a new mob. There's something broken in their code since the level is rerolled and even NM lottery occurs (didn't see this firsthand, going by reports on Despot).

Or they are lying sacks of shit. Don't count out that explanation.

[BRP]

Curious. I don't believe I heard the update's effect on pop NMs.

[Sinful]

If they didnt want Bst to use pets the way they have since ffxi began, why didnt they address it earlier? I can understand the need in fixing the mpk issues, but at what cost? So the bst that havnt exploited the ability to mpk have to pay for the ones that did? That hardly seems fair. I cant imagine this is the only way to deal with mpk. Unless they made it this way on purpose, to kill 2 birds. That, or they are incredibly stupid.

People keep going back to the rng and drg nerf. This is completely differant. When they nerfed the rng and drg. They simply changed those jobs. In this case, not only is it effecting bst, but has completely changed the game dynamics. Imo, a game that has been out this long shouldnt just suddenly change the dynamics of the game. If they wanted it this way, they should of created it at start, or added it early on.

Usually when a game is on the decline as far as subscribers, you dont go and change the game in this way. Perhaps they shouldnt of hired the two kids at the lemonade stand on the corner to run there marketing dpt.

[BRP]

They didn't nerf DRG, they nerfed multihit WSes. DRG was just relying on it. MNK, 1h axe, and ect also got 'hurt'.

[SilverBreeze]

That's what I want to know. Why does everyone squeal that they nerfed DRG? They nerfed the TP gain on multi hit WS, so no more Multi hit Spam, and no more Asuran Fist rape with Relic Knuckles. They didn't directly nerf anyone, but DRGs all took it personal.

[Lordwafik]

Oh, ok :3

I'm a little pissy since my favorite job got screwed I hate my other job. (BRD) lol well, maybe not hate, but it's not as fun as BST

lol yeah if my BRD got nerfed i wouldnt of cared...

ok here is a BST player orly type of question:

does this patch affect anything much on areas like Ifrits and Ru'Ann Gardens? for soloing of course...

i left my BST at 68 with about 5k exp to 69... isnt Ifrit next on the solo path to 70? and sky afterwards?

i cant check cuz i dont got FFXI here (iraq) roflwaffles... :wink:

its awesome to be away from the game for 6+ months then hearing your job gets "adjusted"

Sky is ruined if you play how I used to. What i'd do is drag birds to pots and fight them and keep swapping over. Now with this patch you're gonna have to be careful and make a small camp where the 3 birds are, and careful that you dont accidently pull 1 bird too far over.

1 of the most painful things about sky was getting your birds to all become EM, then some ranger fag solos it while waiting for his LS and it repops T. Now Square-enix is that ranger fag.

[RustyMetal]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...s/bstowned.jpg

[SilverBreeze]

Now Square-enix is that ranger fag.

I lol'd

[Cleveland]

1 of the most painful things about sky was getting your birds to all become EM, then some ranger fag solos it while waiting for his LS and it repops T. Now Square-enix is that ranger fag.

I honestly spit coke all over my monitor when I read that line...lmao.

Good news is that my STR/Attck gear is used by other melee, and my HR gear is used by BRDs...so I will get my gil back. Unlike with RNG....ranger gear hit rock bottom when that job was "adjusted."

[SilverBreeze]

Yeah, watching all the ranger gear just plummet, it hurt to watch, I liked rangers.

[rahvin]

the ranger nerf and this bst "nerf" are 2 different things. both jobs where affected by their respective nerf in totally different ways so please stop the fucking compairison. regardless of what SE initially intended for bst, it turned out to be a solo job. now that ability to solo is dramastically reduced. fact is ill continue to play bst getting my 2k an hour if im lucky... ; ;.


for the love of god can we stop the bst got nerfed threads

[Cleveland]

I liked RNG as well....lvl'd it to 75 I liked it so much. I kept all my gear because I still use it on some occasions (Diabolos lol), but I am mostly called on to be SMN for LS stuff.

Wyvernpoacher walks around untouched for hours now. Used to be at least 2-3 ppl camping him pre-patch. He wouldn't live more than 5 mins after popping. AQ is even better. Not only does no one want the Axe anymore, but he doesn't drop cloth. Now you have a lvl 80 (or whatever) crab that wanders around Boyahda.