Cheryll - The Ideal SAM/WAR

[kareface]

Screw Cheryll, I could care less. But this dirk guy really pisses me off.

But before I get to him, to everyone who claims that they have some amasing way of telling when a pict is photoshoped, I would like to challange you IN PAINT to guess what screen shots I edited and whats original. Becuse anyone who claims they can do this is so full of shit.

5) IRON has no idea what happened: Bullshit. IRON members have been posting on here saying everything from the SS is a hoax to a glitch, but the truth is, they should know. When people find a glitch, they immediately tell their LS, whether it's something like this, the ability to walk along the outside of the airship, or the ability to walk under the water in Valkurm. They tell people, and everyone knows this is true. If this SAM suddenly discovered she could dual-wield as a SAM/WAR, it's very hard to believe she didn't say anything instead of typing in "/l HAY YOU GUYZ! GUESS WHAT I CAN DO???" To me, this is sort of the pivotal point. If it were a glitch, IRON would know because they would have been told. If it were a hoax, IRON would know because they weren't told about the glitch. If it's a hack, IRON would know but then throw up every other possible thing it could be as a defense...which IRON has done.

There is something that you are competely missing from this picture. If it is a glitch, who said it was on cheryls side. Just because your computer displayed it that way doesn't mean thats what the server sees. Cher doesn't own a kracken. I was waiting in jeuno for an exp party to gather and checked him out. He had the same gear on in that photo but he wasn't dualwielding anything. If there was a glitch, it doesn't mean that he actualy was dualwielding, but that it appaered on verix's client like he was. Also verix even mentions that he was using a kracken at the time.

This happens all the time in MMOs. How many strange things have you seen but no one else in the party has. Its just a client side error. If the mob your fighting "jumps" in HP thats because there was a glitch on YOUR end in estimating the damage and when the server caught wind of it during the fight your client updated its self with the correct data from the server. You have to take into account that most of what we see on our end is what our computer estiamtes the fight would be like. The server updates the client with basic data to minimise bandwidth use.

Personally, I think she used some sort of hack to do this, mainly because of my point 5. IRON would know something about this, their "well it must be this this or this" and "zomg we didn't hack back then" and "zomg you don't count because you posted anonymously hahaha" arguments just seem to prove that they know something they won't admit.

What else would they say? "fuck, I knew he was a traitor"? You are using this as the base for your opinion but its about as faceless as your post. So I can take SSs, photoshop them and post them anon on your boards all day, I hope you take each one seriously. You seem to expect others to as well.

They are claiming it is one of the other possibliltys because they are, sane? You talk about conspiracy theories then rant about everyone covering up for someone like this is an LS secret. Doesn't it make more sence that if no one knew about it, it wasn't real...

Feel free to attack me for this being my first post if you want. If you have any brains, though, you can actually deal with my arguments instead of making up new ones. I'd be interested to see any defenses.

Did you use brains before coming up with this dribble? Think about it for one sec.

On one hand If he was hacking he:

• Doesn't own a kracken, There is 1 in the entire LS (as far as I know) and the person that owns that one didn't let her borrow it. So someone outside of the LS would of lent it to her.
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• Was hacking in the middle of jeuno.
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• No one IN THE MIDDLE OF JEUNO but verix seemed to notice.
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• No info on this "hack" has been posted anywhere else. So he make it (not possible, know about as much about programing as a toaster), or he learned how to generate the glitch. Even so, being the first or one of the first.
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• He didn't tell his LS about it at all or they are all lying is some cover up. (also looking at the LSs history they admit when they exploit)[/*:m:c9a3c]

Or, it was a client side glitch on verix's part and:

• Verix DOES own a kracken, and was using it eariler.
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• Verix was the only one that saw it.
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• Cher's LS members are acting the way they are because this is #1952 attempt at hurting Irons rep. via some baseless accusations. [/*:m:c9a3c]

Kind of my point...there's no reason to act like you don't know what's going on if it's just a funny one-time glitch. To paraphrase, me thinks the LS doth protest too much.

Are you nuts, read the thread over again.

"I think they did it because they insist they don't know or it was a glitch"

Thats what your saying in a nut shell. Let's take a moment here and turn the sanity in the thread up a noch or two. Ok, let me read that again.

Kind of my point...there's no reason to act like you don't know what's going on if it's just a funny one-time glitch. To paraphrase, me thinks the LS doth protest too much.

If it was a funny one time glitch, that no one knew even happened. How... Please explain to me how.... how they would really act? Becuase in the reality im from... Its not much diffrent from the post. And your reply seems to me to be...

I can't even argue with him because there is no point... I could say... I think pigs fly because everyone believes they don't. That makes about as much sence as that sentance.


Please, make fun of my spelling and grammer. I don't care and im too lazy to bother correcting it. I never claimed to be smart, just angry.

[dirk]

But before I get to him, to everyone who claims that they have some amasing way of telling when a pict is photoshoped, I would like to challange you IN PAINT to guess what screen shots I edited and whats original. Becuse anyone who claims they can do this is so full of shit.

Most people who have spent a few years working with photoshop can tell a sloppy job, especially when they're given one tiny area of the photo to focus on. If "in paint" refers to the fact you use Microsoft Paint, then you probably wouldn't understand.

Like I said, if I could tell for sure, I would be making a lot more money than I do. But if Verix did that good a job of doctoring it, I don't see why he wouldn't put the focus on the off-hand Kraken.

There is something that you are competely missing from this picture. If it is a glitch, who said it was on cheryls side. Just because your computer displayed it that way doesn't mean thats what the server sees. Cher doesn't own a kracken. I was waiting in jeuno for an exp party to gather and checked him out. He had the same gear on in that photo but he wasn't dualwielding anything. If there was a glitch, it doesn't mean that he actualy was dualwielding, but that it appaered on verix's client like he was. Also verix even mentions that he was using a kracken at the time.

This happens all the time in MMOs. How many strange things have you seen but no one else in the party has. Its just a client side error. If the mob your fighting "jumps" in HP thats because there was a glitch on YOUR end in estimating the damage and when the server caught wind of it during the fight your client updated its self with the correct data from the server. You have to take into account that most of what we see on our end is what our computer estiamtes the fight would be like. The server updates the client with basic data to minimise bandwidth use.

I have no idea if Cheryll owns a kraken. I'm obviously not good friends with him like you are. In fact, from the name, I assumed it was a girl.

As far as glitches go, a mob "jumping" in HP, indicating a communication problem between server and client that is then corrected, seems to me to be a lot different than the server giving me erroneous information about another client. It still seems to me that if this were the case, IRON would have a sense of humor and say "Man! I wish he could do that!" instead of just deleting the thread. Maybe IRON is just full of humorless people. I have no idea.

And man...if basic data includes showing me with a kraken club in my off-hand...I need more basic data. I'm not discounting this was a glitch, I just don't think it was, but it's not the sort of glitch you're talking about. The computer may estimate a mob's HP in a fight, but I don't think it would ever estimate that anyone had a kraken club, regardless of what information your client was giving it.

Personally, I think she used some sort of hack to do this, mainly because of my point 5. IRON would know something about this, their "well it must be this this or this" and "zomg we didn't hack back then" and "zomg you don't count because you posted anonymously hahaha" arguments just seem to prove that they know something they won't admit.

What else would they say? "fuck, I knew he was a traitor"? You are using this as the base for your opinion but its about as faceless as your post. So I can take SSs, photoshop them and post them anon on your boards all day, I hope you take each one seriously. You seem to expect others to as well.

They are claiming it is one of the other possibliltys because they are, sane? You talk about conspiracy theories then rant about everyone covering up for someone like this is an LS secret. Doesn't it make more sence that if no one knew about it, it wasn't real...

Faceless as my post? A funny accusation, since I think it's becoming obvious I don't know much about Bismarck, yet you know Cheryll's items. Of course, even if you're (yet another) IRON member on here defending your LS, I'll continue to give you the debate that I asked for.

I still think it's a very remote chance this is a glitch on Verix's part. It just doesn't make sense, for the reasons I pointed out before. This isn't what the computer estimated the mob would have for HP. A glitch such as you're suggesting would be that the computer replaced the mob's HP with my HP, and I've never seen that happen, personally. If you have, feel free to correct me. If it were some sort of glitch on Cheryll's part, then I think he would have shared it with his LS. And again, the accusations of photoshopping. From someone who seems to scream bloody murder at the idea that someone else might be cheating, you're certainly quick to accuse others.

Did you use brains before coming up with this dribble? Think about it for one sec.

On one hand If he was hacking he:

[list][*]Doesn't own a kracken, There is 1 in the entire LS (as far as I know) and the person that owns that one didn't let her borrow it. So someone outside of the LS would of lent it to her.

Again, I don't have your insider knowledge of IRON. I'll take your word for it.

[*]Was hacking in the middle of jeuno.
[*]No one IN THE MIDDLE OF JEUNO but verix seemed to notice.

You'd have to check to really notice, really. I don't even pay attention to other characters as I run through Jeuno, especially when they're all bunched up like they are in that SS. And I've already dealt with why location is irrelevant.

[*]No info on this "hack" has been posted anywhere else. So he make it (not possible, know about as much about programing as a toaster), or he learned how to generate the glitch. Even so, being the first or one of the first.

I don't keep up on hacks...I'm glad you do. Hope you find some useful ones that help you out. Again, though, you point out that Cheryll has no knowledge of programming, so I think, at this point, it's safe to assume you're either in IRON or friends with Cheryll.

[*]He didn't tell his LS about it at all or they are all lying is some cover up. (also looking at the LSs history they admit when they exploit)

Again, not having your insider knowledge, all I know of IRON's admitting of exploits is that, if it was before some merger or a long time ago, they'll admit it as long as they can pass the blame off to someone no longer in the shell.

it was a client side glitch on verix's part and:[/b][/u]

[list][*]Verix DOES own a kracken, and was using it eariler.
[*]Verix was the only one that saw it.

I guess it's possible. Seems highly unlikely, especially if IRON deleted the SS off their site. If it were my LS, I'd find this hilarious if I knew everyone was blameless. Like I said earlier, though, this is a glitch I've never heard of before. It's not even comparable to the spirit glitches mentioned earlier, which are obviously server side glitches with no relationship to the client.

[*]Cher's LS members are acting the way they are because this is #1952 attempt at hurting Irons rep. via some baseless accusations.

I'd be curious to know how many other HNMLSs on Bismarck are accused of these "baseless accusations." Ever hear the phrase "where there's smoke, there's fire?"

Are you nuts, read the thread over again.

"I think they did it because they insist they don't know or it was a glitch"


If it was a funny one time glitch, that no one knew even happened. How... Please explain to me how.... how they would really act? Becuase in the reality im from... Its not much diffrent from the post. And your reply seems to me to be...

By that, I meant a non-Verix glitch, which I still don't believe happened. I mean a Cheryll glitch. And if they really believed it was a Verix glitch, why not just say so instead of, like you, crying about photoshopped images? From someone who admitted they were in IRON earlier (hint, hint, since you refuse to admit your relationship while obviously having one), Bismarck has a clean HNMLS scene with good relations between LSs. So why accuse others of cheating when it obviously offends you so much?

I never claimed to be smart, just angry.

Good thing, too.

[Jawas]

I guess it's possible. Seems highly unlikely, especially if IRON deleted the SS off their site. If it were my LS, I'd find this hilarious if I knew everyone was blameless. Like I said earlier, though, this is a glitch I've never heard of before. It's not even comparable to the spirit glitches mentioned earlier, which are obviously server side glitches with no relationship to the client.

We did find it funny, we had the screen shot hours before the post was made on our site. We have at least one moron a week creating some fake name making some werid post about a number of things, we have just choosen to delete them. This time someone brought this here. If you notice Verix and members of his LS have said they were sorry about this. If it was truely something wrong I doubt they would be defending us.

Of course, even if you're (yet another) IRON member on here defending your LS, I'll continue to give you the debate that I asked for.

So far the IRON members have been using their real names, so this most likely is just a friend of Cherylls, what you dont make friends on your server?

From someone who admitted they were in IRON earlier (hint, hint, since you refuse to admit your relationship while obviously having one), Bismarck has a clean HNMLS scene with good relations between LSs. So why accuse others of cheating when it obviously offends you so much?

We have good relations in between the NA HNMLSs, it isnt the shells pointing fingers at each other it is nameless faces that are most likely jealous, or whatever trying to start drama. Awhile ago a nameless mule MPK'd IRON in DA a few times, someone tried to give us a fake screen shot blaming the mule on someone in another HNMLS, we didnt take the bait, we didnt make posts on forums, we looked at it, found out it was a fake and moved on. I am sure alot of people would enjoy more drama on Bismarck, but the leadership of the main Shells are working to make sure that doesnt happen. We enjoy /random at camps to not waste our time, we enjoy not having to watch our backs. Does this mean we never had any problems, no, but we have situations where people were upset about certain actions but they get worked out between the leadership.

By that, I meant a non-Verix glitch, which I still don't believe happened. I mean a Cheryll glitch.

Its funny cause SE has a list of problems that need to be fixed, invisible monster attacking people, other have said people are falling through the floor in jeuno and running around with only their names apearing by the floor, and countless other actions since the patch, why does it seem so werid when you can clearly see verix has a Kraken Club equipted that this isnt on his side. You cant even see Cheryll in the picture, all you see is his gear. You seem a bit to much on the offensive that this is real, when we and other people that are involved have realized what happened and moved on.

[Raineer]

Ok, as a debate over whether this person has hacked, glitched, been a victim of a hoax, this thread is all over the place. The thing has gone everwhere from random off-topic posts to accusations that IRON removed darter files, which isn't even part of the whole argument. Therefore, I'm going to separate things into a few issues that are actually relevant.

To preface things, let me start by saying that I'm not going to tell people I'm on a different server, or even on Bismarck and not interested in the HNMLS because for one thing, no one will believe it anyway, and for another, it doesn't matter. To accuse somone of lying because they're posting anonymously is what is known as logic as a "straw man" debate. You can't refute what the actual argument is, so you find some other way to attack them and refute their argument with that.

Which leads us to our first argument, and I'll just keep going from there:

1) This SS is a hoax because it's a new poster just wanting to cause problems: Doesn't matter. The SS speaks for itself. Whether it was posted by a level 23 no subjob MNK or the head honcho of SE itself, the SS is the important thing, not the voice. The person who took the SS appears to have posted under his own name, so I'm not sure why this is an issue anyway.

2) Why didn't the person taking the SS focus on the kraken club: This is pretty obvious...the point wasn't to show equipment, but to show that a job without dual-wield had two weapons equipped. Again, unless you subscribe to some pretty extremist MMORPG conspiracy theories, there is no reason to think Verix got a different account to post this SS, so there's no reason to think he was out to prove anything. Anyone with the ability to seamlessly photoshop the weapon into the screenshot could've also photoshopped in the kraken club description. This doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

3) The image is a hoax: Maybe. There's no good way to prove that. I've used photoshop before, and I took the SS into photoshop and examined it, and it doesn't appear to be one. Of course, if I could tell that for sure, I could probably find a better job. As referenced to earlier, if someone was doing this as a hoax, it seems like they could spend the extra time to put in the description of the kraken club and make it more believable.

4) It was just a glitch: Again, possible. I don't believe it, though, and that's because of my next point.

5) IRON has no idea what happened: Bullshit. IRON members have been posting on here saying everything from the SS is a hoax to a glitch, but the truth is, they should know. When people find a glitch, they immediately tell their LS, whether it's something like this, the ability to walk along the outside of the airship, or the ability to walk under the water in Valkurm. They tell people, and everyone knows this is true. If this SAM suddenly discovered she could dual-wield as a SAM/WAR, it's very hard to believe she didn't say anything instead of typing in "/l HAY YOU GUYZ! GUESS WHAT I CAN DO???" To me, this is sort of the pivotal point. If it were a glitch, IRON would know because they would have been told. If it were a hoax, IRON would know because they weren't told about the glitch. If it's a hack, IRON would know but then throw up every other possible thing it could be as a defense...which IRON has done.

6) It's obviously a hack because IRON has hacked before: Who cares? A lot has been made about removing darter files. I've heard about this, I don't know what most HNMLSs do, and I certainly don't know what they do on Bismarck. Regardless, what one person does in a LS (since it seems to be agreed it was not the same person) is not proof of what everyone else does. Same goes with packet sniffers. Being on PS2 never helped me outclaim anyone on VE, but oh well. That's a different argument involving different people. What IRON has or has not done in the past has nothing to do with this post.

7) It can't be a hack because she did it in Jeuno: And, of course, that would make it obvious, right? Seems to me that this is just a matter of a "they wouldn't be THAT stupid" alibi. I think more people would believe this if it were taken at an HNM camp than in Jeuno. So there's no reason to NOT do it in Jeuno. Also, who knows the circumstances? She could've just released from dying at an HNM, or been warped from, whatever.

Conclusion: Personally, I think she used some sort of hack to do this, mainly because of my point 5. IRON would know something about this, their "well it must be this this or this" and "zomg we didn't hack back then" and "zomg you don't count because you posted anonymously hahaha" arguments just seem to prove that they know something they won't admit.

Feel free to attack me for this being my first post if you want. If you have any brains, though, you can actually deal with my arguments instead of making up new ones. I'd be interested to see any defenses.

1st off Cheryll doesnt own a Kracken Club.

2nd off the Glitch is with Verix not Cheryll, he has a Kracken, and we guess somehow when he checked Cheryll, HIS off handed weapon was shown on Cherylls off handed weapon slot. How would IRON know that Verix had a glitch appear on his screen.

3rd You say that because we have defended ourselves it makes us seem guilty. Well when the thread was posted on our site we didnt defend it, we just deleted it cause the person wasnt using their real name, and we get all kinds of random people with fake names making posts all the time. We normally do not respond to public forums, so were damned if we do and damned if we dont.

Point is, Bismarck believe it or not is actually really clean in the HNM scene. The top NA LSs dont train each other, we dont CFH on another LS's claim, we actually work shit out. We were in the process of talking to the LS leaders of the person who took the screen shot when this post was made. Take it for what you will.

Kraken*

[Ragnard]

This thread sucks. :/
Cool screenshot, probably a glitch.

[RustyMetal]

IRON is really gay, they cheat. But I think we sould look at the fact that hes SAM/WAR when he has 75drk.. Why would you use SAM/WAR with Kraken/Ridll. Im not defending IRON, but god damn they are retarted.

Listen guys, just stick to your currency nazi steal tatics from tredvolt, and dont post about drama. Im sure you all got some HNM to bot, and good drops to only give to tred's RL friend. ^^

[NynJa]

[*]No info on this "hack" has been posted anywhere else. So he make it (not possible, know about as much about programing as a toaster), or he learned how to generate the glitch. Even so, being the first or one of the first.

You'd know if such a hack did or didnt exist because your LS actively looks for them ??

(and don't give me the "we like to see what our competition uses" bullshit)

[Luminaire]

Just when I thought BG boards were getting boring, a five page thread with new stupid drama! Concerning my own LS! It's like being the belle of the ball, who is also a hot fudge sundae made of rainbows.

Cheryll can I borrow your Kraken that doesn't exist?

[Kalani]

It was a glitch, yeesh... we've already established that the Kraken Club was Verix's that somehow showed up when he checked Cheryll. Others in my LS went and checked, Verix was the only one who was seeing the offhanded Kraken.

On the other hand! I can accurately claim that Jawas eats babies, Sendo kicks kittens into boxfans, and Exoduso blows goats. I have proof. Winraf... well...

I have sniffed those little packets of pepper on dares before, though. >_>

That explains a lot!

Luminaire though, he's just a dumb hick.

[gfive]

IRON is really gay, they cheat. But I think we sould look at the fact that hes SAM/WAR when he has 75drk.. Why would you use SAM/WAR with Kraken/Ridll. Im not defending IRON, but god damn they are retarted.

Listen guys, just stick to your currency nazi steal tatics from tredvolt, and dont post about drama. Im sure you all got some HNM to bot, and good drops to only give to tred's RL friend. ^^

LOL

I don't think anyone in IRON can hack with the exception of maybe Sendo, but he's too legit to ever try anything.

I only recall the name "Cheryll" whiping with 2 others to Aquarious back in the day, kekekekekeke.

[Septimus]

I didn't read any of the thread, but I did enjoy this...



LMFAO

[Arvin]

This happened to a black mage in my linkshell. He was wrongly accused of "hacking" when afaik, we don't use anything. (Notice, he's on blm with newb gear, he was shouting about CoP quests.)




So you probably had an experience similar to that.

[Aribeth]

This is how you get the glitch

1) Go to a new dynamis zone with NIN sub.
2) Get the ??? that gives you back subjob
3) Go back to Jueno and examine somebody who does NOT have a subjob NIN and does NOT have a weapon or shield in their offhand.

Q.E.D.

[Volken]

I wouldnt doubt it's broken, anyone see the water spirit name? A person in my LS was crafting and his craft failed but he obtained another person's items that they were crafting. Also menus are messed up.

[SendoBismarck]

LOL

I don't think anyone in IRON can hack with the exception of maybe Sendo, but he's too legit to ever try anything.

Lol, for some reason I'm flattered :D .

Anyway, the last few posts seem to close this issue without question (if there are any open it again), but I would like to say to the OP that I forgive you for your mistake, everyone makes them . Happy you're actively searching for wrong doings on the server though. Run Masked Avenger of Justice! Clean the streets of Jeuno from crime!

Btw I would like to report that I hack my moogle to stand near the Lower Jeuno AH from time to time. He just loves me so much he has to follow me out the door sometimes. And I tank Tiamat as Rdm/War/Nin 4tw.

[Daggerot]

I would just like to highlight a few words of wisdom from the holder of all knowledge in the Universe; David Lee Roth.

"Young musicians are always coming up to me and asking 'how do you know when you've made it?' When you can spell 'subpoena' without thinking about it, that's when you know you've made it."

[Daedalan]

I've never posted on this before but considering this was my first time on here, I figured I can contribute something, the image before us was photoshop at one point or another, if you check the source data for the file it was saved using the photoshop cs program.

I can't tell you if the image area was altered in anyway shape or form, the pixels look fairly regular and not altered, but then again just like a good person can look in the right place, a good person can cover their tracks.

None the less however, the image submitted as the first image, was saved out of photoshop as its current format. Whatever reason they had for saving the image through photoshop effectively ruins the images credibility for me.

I apologize if someone already brought this up as I didn't read the whole thread to see if someone did mention it.