Diablos vs Wyrms = h4x

[Nikko]

thats incredibly fast for no melee dmg.... some kind of trick? or just 2-3 BP per landing? for 1hr kills it seems we need 4-5 SMN

[Xavier]

My Predator Claws does more than that, and I can get 3 per touchdown on Tiamat. Diablos doesn't (currently) benefit from -BP gear so the damage would be slower, despite being able to use it in the air.

Yeah, pretty sure hes not saying to exclusively use Diablos.

[nsx]

on a side note, training Arch Corse is a bit of a bitch now

[[kupo]Ikarus]

thats incredibly fast for no melee dmg.... some kind of trick? or just 2-3 BP per landing? for 1hr kills it seems we need 4-5 SMN

If you were replying to Tanthalas' post, he didnt actually say "no melee were used" anywhere in there.

[Russta]

I am curious about the Phalanxga BP. I have heard that the damage reduction is very high letting PLDs tank about anything. Has anyone tried this out in EXP or HNM?

Well in an EXP party Noctoshield shaves 20 damage off every hit my Paladin takes against IT's. If that works as a percentage then it would certainly make a huge difference against the big stuff.

[FFXIFlux]

I am curious about the Phalanxga BP. I have heard that the damage reduction is very high letting PLDs tank about anything. Has anyone tried this out in EXP or HNM?

Well in an EXP party Noctoshield shaves 20 damage off every hit my Paladin takes against IT's. If that works as a percentage then it would certainly make a huge difference against the big stuff.

If it was a percentage than it wouldn't have always been 20. It's probably just like phalanx and takes a flat number off. I seriously doubt we'll see any more -damage % items that aren't in a slot that already has it. Some jobs are already pushing damage reduction to levels that adding any more would break stuff. WHM can get close to 80% when in yellow HP. Add 20% damage reduction from Nocto and a frenzied mob would be hitting for 36 damage instead of 1200...

[SilverBreeze]

Yeah, Phalanx shaves of a set number from every attack

[Thaesus]

on a side note, training Arch Corse is a bit of a bitch now

Way to hack the server forcing Tiamat to pop when PO is in bed and R0 is up

[nsx]

if by r0 is up, you mean 14 of us killing tiamat then yeah

[Thaesus]

if by r0 is up, you mean 14 of us killing tiamat then yeah

Yeah I heard, i was joking. Good job tho with 14

[Stanislav]

Just curious how long Tiamat takes you guys anyway, with or without Diabolos.

We killed him I think in 1 hour 5 minutes with about 22 people, using just 2 SMN's.

It is completely impossible to do it that fast with 2 SMN only for damage.. of course you had other jobs.. SMN isnt the fastest way to damage it, but it is the safest

[othellojr]

on a side note, training Arch Corse is a bit of a bitch now

They are easy as usual, only difference is you have to treat them like a woman on a date, take her strolling through the mountain side (weaker mobs side) until almost her bed time, then dump her off (zone around 3:40 game time and they depop/wont repop). As a Blm I was able to train/kite corses when it was needed due to kiters not being available for adds at the time; gotta say was fun

[nsx]

1 person can't train all 3 corse anymore

[Faranim]

Our NIN Kiter would pull the 3 corses and climb the mountain on the other side of the zone with them (to cradle of rebirth).

I don't think SMN can get enough MP to do blood pact non-stop on Tiamat. I can do 1500ish damage per touchdown with Garuda, but then need to spend the entire flight time to recover the MP. So I really don't see a use for Diabolos, unless your SMN are lucky enough to get RDM and BRD (all our RDM and BRD go into tank or BLM party because we usually only have 1-2 of each)

[Nikko]

SMN should sub DRK and get rid of blm pt =)

[Heian]

I am curious about the Phalanxga BP. I have heard that the damage reduction is very high letting PLDs tank about anything. Has anyone tried this out in EXP or HNM?

Well in an EXP party Noctoshield shaves 20 damage off every hit my Paladin takes against IT's. If that works as a percentage then it would certainly make a huge difference against the big stuff.

If it was a percentage than it wouldn't have always been 20. It's probably just like phalanx and takes a flat number off. I seriously doubt we'll see any more -damage % items that aren't in a slot that already has it. Some jobs are already pushing damage reduction to levels that adding any more would break stuff. WHM can get close to 80% when in yellow HP. Add 20% damage reduction from Nocto and a frenzied mob would be hitting for 36 damage instead of 1200...

Thanks guys, guess it was just another one of those "too good to be true rumors." Good thing I never get my hopes up anymore.

[Nagamaki]

I don't see why anyone would expect avatar phalanx to work completely unlike RDM phalanx and be massively better. 20 damage off per hit is still significant against anything that hits fairly fast, that's a C3 less per 10 hits, or like have a double Regen III on. Against high speed low damage mobs, its a huge difference (say Ix'aern MNK type with PLD tank).

[Rocl]

I still say only RDMs are the only people who appreciate the Phalanx effect.

[nivlakian]

Has anyone actually tried the phalanx effect from a 75SMN using Cactuars 1000 Needles to see exactly how much it is?

[Septimus]

I still say only RDMs are the only people who appreciate the Phalanx effect.

Yup. When I see people say that it's "only" a 20 reduction I want to fly to Square headquarters and porkslap the asshole who decided to give AoE Phalanx to the ungrateful masses...