Bahamut Thread #3

[berticus]

dont know why we're talking about gear on ffxi since none of it really makes a difference

[Demetrios]

you should quit ffxi if you hate it so much!

[Kiro]

http://www.theorderls.com/belt/

Good read, depressing though. ._.

[Desklamp]

you should quit ffxi if you hate it so much!

loser

[Nagamaki]

The "HP affects hate loss ratio" thing would be more realistic if the exact same thing didn't happen with MNKs as with BLMs, despite the fairly obvious HP difference. In Chi gear my HP is roughly 1600, over twice that of a taru BLM. In a fairly slow faf (say it wings a lot) MNKs will eventually build enough hate through Chi and the non-stop Boosting to draw hate. Each chi past a certain amount will cause a large enough spike to get you beat in the face, first time you draw hate he's gonna hit you once maybe twice, 2nd time 3-4 times, if you keep going and don't log he'll eventually be on you long enough to get through your whole HP (so like 8-10 hits depending if chakra, SS, blink and cures are going on).

The only reason MNKs can build that much hate is because unlike the BLM they can survive the first few times they cross the hate line. The first time you get hate he's gonna hit you once just like a BLM, for 300+ damage. On a MNK, that's basically nothing. He's gonna switch back to the PLD anyway right after, not because of the MNK's HP ratio but just because 1 strong hit is enough to put you back below the hate threshold since you barely crossed it.

[Lordwafik]

dont know why we're talking about gear on ffxi since none of it really makes a difference

k

let your tanks tank faffy in full RSE

And you wear entirley -HP gear and +MP gear.

then tell me how you as a whm felt healing, since gear makes no diff :D

[Lockecole]

berticus wrote:
dont know why we're talking about gear on ffxi since none of it really makes a difference

Yeah Wafik, my WAR outparsers other WARs by over 15% of the PTs damage because I'm just special, has nothing to do with any of my top-notch gear. I can also kite effectively and tank mobs with my NIN, not because of my full -physical damage setup and max enmity gear, but because I believe in my power to be a good NIN, and that is all it takes.

WHMs also can cure as much as they want without light staffs and Noble's as long as they believe in the heart of cards. BRDs can wear full hecatomb and be able to recast songs whenever they want, because the gear on them doesnt effect their recast timers at all.

Should I go on? Gear doesnt have to let you zomgsolo uber instances to make a difference. Don't act like you don't realize how the gear system works in FFXI,and that its purposefully different from all other games in that aspect. Gear is all about rounding out your alliance and is very cirumstancial, so that it can be worn in different scenarios, not so that one completely overshadows the other.

[Demetrios]

berticus wrote:
dont know why we're talking about gear on ffxi since none of it really makes a difference

Yeah Wafik, my WAR outparsers other WARs by over 15% of the PTs damage because I'm just special, has nothing to do with any of my top-notch gear. I can also kite effectively and tank mobs with my NIN, not because of my full -physical damage setup and max enmity gear, but because I believe in my power to be a good NIN, and that is all it takes.

WHMs also can cure as much as they want without light staffs and Noble's as long as they believe in the heart of cards. BRDs can wear full hecatomb and be able to recast songs whenever they want, because the gear on them doesnt effect their recast timers at all.

Should I go on? Gear doesnt have to let you zomgsolo uber instances to make a difference. Don't act like you don't realize how the gear system works in FFXI,and that its purposefully different from all other games in that aspect. Gear is all about rounding out your alliance and is very cirumstancial, so that it can be worn in different scenarios, not so that one completely overshadows the other.

loser!!!!@!11

[Elcura]

Locke believes in the heart of the cards.

[Alina]

Someone needs to hurry up and win this to see if there are any other notable drops...

[Demetrios]

There is a small chance that the JP group that won did it with more than 18 people. The BCNM is not in a seperate area, it's on a single island in RivB01. Moreover, the first and second BCNMs are located on this same island. Most likely Square only lets 1 alliance in regardless of which BC you're doing, but perhaps this BCNM has a temporary bug that lets you send two groups in.

[Jawas]

The reason I feel the ring is better than the mantle is, at times you take 100-400 damage in physical damage from a single depending if it is a critic, but a spell can do 500-2000k damage which will kill you.

Numerous TP moves will do > 1k damage, and lots of mobs will be hitting paladins for 400+ damage. Realistically anything hitting for under 300 damage is so easy to tank theres really no point talking about them. Either way though the mantle will be more useful because ALL mobs do physical damage, where as many do little or no magical damage.

If the ring is a life saver the problem is that it kicks in so rarely that it's not a reliable enough life saver to matter. "Okay, we have a 10% chance of winning this fight, we just have to hope the ring kicks in and our tank lives!"

Both items are great, and I think far better than the dynamis cape, because you lose less HP which means less agro, and it also means the WHM generate less. I think the mantle's damage blocking will far outweight the 3 enmity on the cape. Not that the cape isn't nice, it would always be useful to macro in or something, and it has great vit/def.

Well I have had the shadow mantle for over 6 months, and my LS has 4 Memebers with both Shadow Items, so not only from my experience but the experience of others in the LS.

The issue with the mantle is that it seems to kick in less than the ring. I also can not control when the mantle kicks in I could be at 1300 HP and the mantle kicks in and I save 200 damage from Tiamat non crit, but when he triple attacks me, and the mantle doesnt kick in I would be better off with a valor cape. Unless it is Darksday, than the Mantle is greater than all. I am not saying the manlte is worthless. I just think for what is does, mostly not taking a physical rarely saves my life. When I have the ring kick in and I take 0 damage from Firaga 3, that could save my life, or keep a whm from having to spend MP on my cure, same with KB, when I take a metor, that would most likely kill me, where as one physical attack wont kill me. Magic Attack is greater than physical attack in FFXI, if you average out how mauch damage you take from spells versus every possible physical attack, not taking a random phyical attack doesnt even come close to not taking a random magic attack.

If you base the outcome of a fight on the outcome of a shadow item, than yoru most likely not going to win. The shadow help, but they arent game breaking items.

[NynJa]

your blm's suck if tiamat's hitting you with firaga's...

[Demetrios]

yeah firaga 3 never gets off

[Jawas]

We actually let them go off, mainly due to war/whm tank pt, it helps us generate more hate on the tanks with the self cures, so our BLM can nuke the crap out of Tiamat.

[NynJa]

ah yes, those uber blm's nuking the shit out of mobs that take 50% magic dmg.

750 dmg ES thundaga3 is just so sexy....

[Banigaru]

You don't need ES to land spells on wyrms unless your blms and brds suck. Blm own tiamat.

[NynJa]

Sam + Smn own tiamat.

[Jawas]

ah yes, those uber blm's nuking the shit out of mobs that take 50% magic dmg.

750 dmg ES thundaga3 is just so sexy....

Well we kill Tiamat in under 50 minutes. Are you saying if our BLMS stunned instead of nuking we would kill it faster? Yes we use SAM and DRK to SC, and SMNs to do as many BPs as possible per landing.