Bahamut Thread #3

[Eternus]

Not surprisingly it looks like every other mask in the game. Dude has no Shadow Mantle either.. gimp wearing a Gigant... no earrings or ranged/ammo either. Oh well he has a drop off Bahamut so that cancels out everything.

[Arc07]

Yeah he's pretty gimp.

[Demetrios]

Shadow mantle and ring are overrated >.>

[Jawas]

Shadow Mantle is over rated but the Shadow Ring might be better than defending ring. The ring seems to have a pretty high proc rate, today our one PLD had 3 Ring Proc's in a row. I myself have had the ring proc many times at critical moments in fights, nothing like taking 0 damage from Hurricane Wings, and the mess that Tiamat and Jimmy spam. I hold this ring to very high level of need for any tank.

[Lordwafik]

nothing like taking 0 damage from Hurricane Wings, and the mess that Tiamat and Jimmy spam. I hold this ring to very high level of need for any tank.

That's no mess! that's hot wyrm luvin ;d

[Arc07]

Shadow mantle overrated? Probably... but it can be clutch sometimes.
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Valor Cape is better in my opinion... but I'll pass for the paladins who don't have a shadow mantle.

[Lockecole]

Ummm you just got hit 4 times in a row for 0. Explain to me how 40hp and some enmity will ever come close to that? Trust me, I watch our main LS tank, tank everything in it, and its hardly over-rated. No its not perma-invincibility, I dont think anyone should be expecting that, it's still just a single piece of gear. If it doesnt do much for you then I seriously dont know what you're looking for in a piece of gear. What is 80 HP gonna do for you? Help you out when you're >80HP.. thats it. Not gonna keep you from getting double critted by Tiamat, or anything close.

[Jawas]

There is nothing better for a tank to wear on darksday than a shadow mantle. At times, my Shadow Mantle has porc'd 2-3 times in a row, and at times, it had NEVER gone off. But the point is this, most of the time a Tank will die to Spells, not Physical Damage. The reason I feel the ring is better than the mantle is, at times you take 100-400 damage in physical damage from a single depending if it is a critic, but a spell can do 500-2000k damage which will kill you. Yes a Shadow Mantle will save you from needing a cure, but a shadow ring will most likely save your life. If you look at what the mantle does on non-darkdays, really it is a crap shoot. The valor cape maybe the best cape for pld for non-darkdays. There are just too many times where the Shadow Mantle doesnt really kick in at all.

[Victalyssa]

My LS made our first attempt at this BC last night and we had a blast. We ended up killing everything too slowly and all exited the BC with Bahamut at 49% or so, but getting in there to experience the fight first-hand was a massive help. We've revised our strategies and have 3 more orbs sitting around so I'm ready for a rematch

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[FFXIFlux]

The reason I feel the ring is better than the mantle is, at times you take 100-400 damage in physical damage from a single depending if it is a critic, but a spell can do 500-2000k damage which will kill you.

Numerous TP moves will do > 1k damage, and lots of mobs will be hitting paladins for 400+ damage. Realistically anything hitting for under 300 damage is so easy to tank theres really no point talking about them. Either way though the mantle will be more useful because ALL mobs do physical damage, where as many do little or no magical damage.

If the ring is a life saver the problem is that it kicks in so rarely that it's not a reliable enough life saver to matter. "Okay, we have a 10% chance of winning this fight, we just have to hope the ring kicks in and our tank lives!"

Both items are great, and I think far better than the dynamis cape, because you lose less HP which means less agro, and it also means the WHM generate less. I think the mantle's damage blocking will far outweight the 3 enmity on the cape. Not that the cape isn't nice, it would always be useful to macro in or something, and it has great vit/def.

[Morathi]

Yeah, the fight was extremely fun and really crazy too seeing wyrms popping right next to Bahamut, who seems to be a lot more difficult in the first place for this BC with his ability to use gigaflare at any time he feels like it.

As you can see, Jorm was the first summoned wyrm at around 80% of Bahamut's HP and he was quickly dispatched of with no deaths. After getting Bahamut down to 60% we just had really bad luck because literally as Ouryu appeared Bahamut used Gigaflare and wiped like half the tank party (leaving one tank with low HP). We managed to take down Ouryu also but after he was dead our other tank went down and we began kiting Bahamut and trying to recover but hate was pretty iffy at that point and it seemed like every time we raised a couple people a couple more died and we just weren't making much progress. Once the tanks were up again we got Bahamut into the 40%s but like half the BLM were weak and he was resisting stun at that point and after he used touchdown and killed a few weakened people we just exited the BC with about 20 minutes on the clock.

We learned a lot from the fight though and everyone had an incredibly fun time since it really is a unique BC. I'd have to rate it as probably the hardest BC in the game, it really does make Ouryu seem like a joke, and if you come in expecting Bahamut to be as weak as he was in the first round fight you're in for a big surprise. I'm pretty confident that with our slightly modified strat we will pull off a win next try, and we still have 3 Monarch Orbs ready to go if we lose so hopefully we'll bring him down soon.

[Lasitha]

How come I didn't get a cutscene in Ru'Lude Gardens? I have seen CoP cutscenes all the way to the song. o.o'

[Sirlancelot]

The Cape is better than the Shadow Mantle, in my opinion.
Shadow Ring > Shadow Mantle though.

[Raineer]

Shadow Ring > Shadow Mantle though.

Wow, you ever seen a Shadow Mantle or even know what it does?

[Khamsin]

Do you keep your Whisper of the Wyrmking, or do you have to fight Bahamut #1 again (aside from getting another orb) before doing Bahamut#2 the next time?

[Litoriceboi]

Shadow Ring > Shadow Mantle though.

Wow, you ever seen a Shadow Mantle or even know what it does?

<Xavier> the only thing Shadow Mantle is good for is Steel Cyclone on Darksday

[Raineer]

Shadow Ring > Shadow Mantle though.

Wow, you ever seen a Shadow Mantle or even know what it does?

<Xavier> the only thing Shadow Mantle is good for is Steel Cyclone on Darksday

ehh, I like xavier but disagree with the comment. It's pimp as hell but naturally it involves using the actual PLD/WAR which seems to be a rare site anymore (are PLD's required to even have WAR37 anymore?)

[Razz]

Shadow Ring > Shadow Mantle though.

Wow, you ever seen a Shadow Mantle or even know what it does?

<Xavier> the only thing Shadow Mantle is good for is Steel Cyclone on Darksday

ehh, I like xavier but disagree with the comment. It's pimp as hell but naturally it involves using the actual PLD/WAR which seems to be a rare site anymore (are PLD's required to even have WAR37 anymore?)

ehh...I want the mantle but only because in most linkshells PLD/WAR is the ttraditional setup.

I don't know many LSes who use /NIN sub. Xavier tells me he gets a shitload of PMs about nin sub on PLD. NIN sub isn't as common as you think. I wish it was though.

[Litoriceboi]

Shadow Ring > Shadow Mantle though.

Wow, you ever seen a Shadow Mantle or even know what it does?

<Xavier> the only thing Shadow Mantle is good for is Steel Cyclone on Darksday

ehh, I like xavier but disagree with the comment. It's pimp as hell but naturally it involves using the actual PLD/WAR which seems to be a rare site anymore (are PLD's required to even have WAR37 anymore?)

Like you said, it'd only be good with PLD/WAR. We use PLD/NIN on Wyrms so we barely get hit by physical attacks at all. But, we get hit with fireballs, breath, wing, and somtimes -ga spells. This is when Shadow Ring comes in handy. Its harder to get around magic attacks than it is to get around physical attacks, that's why I think Shadow Ring is better than Shadow Mantle.

[Khamsin]

Shadow Ring > Shadow Mantle though.

Wow, you ever seen a Shadow Mantle or even know what it does?

<Xavier> the only thing Shadow Mantle is good for is Steel Cyclone on Darksday

ehh, I like xavier but disagree with the comment. It's pimp as hell but naturally it involves using the actual PLD/WAR which seems to be a rare site anymore (are PLD's required to even have WAR37 anymore?)

Like you said, it'd only be good with PLD/WAR. We use PLD/NIN on Wyrms so we barely get hit by physical attacks at all. But, we get hit with fireballs, breath, wing, and somtimes -ga spells. This is when Shadow Ring comes in handy. Its harder to get around magic attacks than it is to get around physical attacks, that's why I think Shadow Ring is better than Shadow Mantle.

Who holds hate better, assuming you barely get hit by physical attacks at all? A NIN/WAR using provoke and NIN debuffs/nukes to hold hate, or a PLD that relies only on Flash, Rampart, Shield Bash, and Spirits Within.