Dynamis Qufim NM Antaeus continued discussion

[zymurgy]

Yeah, our proposed strategy for today is something to the extent of getting sjs back, killing kraken, making our way to bat, killing it, then going for boss. We'll let you know how it goes, but also keep in mind it's our first time going into this zone so we might run out of time since we don't know our way around.

[Indiana]

so you had time to kill:
the bat, which is at jeuno
the kraken, which is at BST job flag area
and
the golem, which is at Behemoth's Dominion

all while clearing out the shit in your way ??


I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

Yes, we do. In the interest of seeing some LS clear this zone, here is our exact strategy.

1. SJ Checker checks NW passage for ???. If ???, wait for everyone inside, hit, everyone buffs, SJ Checker brings back bats.

2. Pull NE passage, fight bats. If ??? wasn't found, SJ checks runs out, checks the 2 ??? spots. Hit ??? after bat fight

3. Pull S passage, if no ???, SJ runs to the east cliff to look for ???. If not, run west.

4. Pull 1 Yagudo statue from the East.

5. Sac pull Kracken from the west, run it back to camp. Sac pull occurs while the first Yagudo statue is being fought. Puller pulls kracken. Sacrifice agros all the Quadavs plus the water elemental in the area. Saccer will have to home point.

6. Pull the fire elemental while the kracken is being fought by the main force..bring Fire Elemetnal along the coast, to the cliff, then up the side. After fire elemental is killed, run along north wall to prevent Yagudo statues from agro and head to jeuno.

7. Kills the 3 Rocs.

8. Kill 2 sets of Goblins. When the second set of goblins is being fought, pull the thunder elemental.

9. Kill Thunder elemental. Run up forward a little bit.

10. While Thunder elemetal is being fought, 2nd puller pulls first set of bats to everyone else.

11. When 2 bats are left, main puller pulls 2nd bat group with . Agro 2 goblin statues also, bring back to main group. Kill the bats first, statues shoudl arrive when 1-2 bats are left. Kill statues for HP and MP full.

12. Head back to the lake.

13. Kill Light and Wind Elementals. Group exist out NE passage of lake, passing between Orc statues. As main group fights Light Elemental, puller get wind elemental, and must have it travel against the east wall. There is a goblin statue that patrols. Puller must run past it with the Air elemental when it looks away.

14. Head through passage to east. Once in the passage, goblins statues will be agroed, agroer will try to die somewhere to be raised after Giant NM.

15. If time permits, which will be unlikely, kill 3 Rocs, 2 sets of Goblins and Golem NM.

16. Kill Giant. Agroer dies and pull goblins statues away while Giant is pulled back. Chainspell stun, 2 hrs, bards in melee party. Melee all skillchain, then 2 melee, who are chosen before do a skillchain after with BLMs bursting. Dynamis Lord melee + mage strategy.

17. Icarus Wings by 2nd pair of skill chainers, do another skill chain/magic burst.

18. Everyone else uses icarus wings. Go all out.

If you don't make a single mistake, this can be done in an hour.

Mobs you fight
1. 2 Sets of Nightmare Bats
2. 1 Yagudo statue + 2 mobs
3. Kracken
4. Fire Elemental
5. 3 Rocs
6. 2 Goblin statues + 4 mobs
7. Thunder Elemental
8. 8 bats + NM bat
9. 2 statues for HP/MP
10. Light Elemental
11. Wind Elemental
12. 3 Rocs
13. 2 Goblin Statues + 4 mobs
14. Suttung
15. Anteus

Having a BRD in each party would be godsend and improve this so much.

[Fayth-]

so you had time to kill:
the bat, which is at jeuno
the kraken, which is at BST job flag area
and
the golem, which is at Behemoth's Dominion

all while clearing out the shit in your way ??


I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

It's not impossible to kill the 3 if you know what you're doing

[Arvin]

so you had time to kill:
the bat, which is at jeuno
the kraken, which is at BST job flag area
and
the golem, which is at Behemoth's Dominion

all while clearing out the shit in your way ??


I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

It's not impossible to kill the 3 if you know what you're doing

No its not, since Nynja declares its bullshit. So it must be right!
/sarcasm

<3machina

[NynJa]

so you had time to kill:
the bat, which is at jeuno
the kraken, which is at BST job flag area
and
the golem, which is at Behemoth's Dominion

all while clearing out the shit in your way ??


I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

It's not impossible to kill the 3 if you know what you're doing

/console exec MrFleeTool.exe

[Flarega]

Perhaps it is the elemental that is "released" (upon killing another) that antaeus loses his strength against? Just throwing out ideas.

[othellojr]

so you had time to kill:
the bat, which is at jeuno
the kraken, which is at BST job flag area
and
the golem, which is at Behemoth's Dominion

all while clearing out the shit in your way ??


I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

It's not impossible to kill the 3 if you know what you're doing

/console exec MrFleeTool.exe

Riight...sounds like you know all about it, we have alot of PS2 users, please, do tell where can me and other of my ls mates find this?

I have been on these runs where we have brought it down below 50% and we discuss ways of possibly improving our strategy, is mostly a matter of time, we made a couple of mistakes on our run last night, so next time we try it, we maybe able to improve and beat it.

Just because you or your ls is not able to do what we have stated we do, does not mean anyone is hacking, lol how ignorant you are.

[Deegan]

It is 100% possible to kill all the NMs and engage the boss, just its a time thing.

With what was said regarding to the bat reducing the dmg the gigas does instead of dropping his defense, thats still a possible idea, but its not supported.

I saw nothing real difference in his power from killing or not killing the bat. Only thing i saw was that melees can actually do dmg to him after killing the bat.

It was a theory i thought as well cuz the bat is extremly powerful on melee attacks. Crit hit for every hit is very powerful.

It could possible reduce his melee dmg and the dmg he takes from melee attacks as well.

His dmg on myself was never really impressive, but im a PLD so i dont know, but compared to any other HNM like tiamat or something, tiamat hits harder by far.

That rock throw move he does, starts with a T or something, it is an aoe but still doesnt hit hard, like 300 on me after killing the bat. I cant recall how much it hit me for when we didnt kill the bat and i went to mess with the Gigas. I want to say it was much more powerful but i cant say that with 100% certainty.

Either way, i do think its fully possible that the Strings NM kills his power on physical attacks and drops his defense on physical attacks.

Possibly next time we will strictly focus on Suttung and the elementals and see what kind of numbers the blms can put up.

One thing i still dont get is this. If the elementals you kill reduces the resistance of that specific elemental, why doesnt it allow you to kill all of them? why do elementals despawn when others are killed?

Edit: i did think of that as well like killing a specific elemental takes away his resistance to that elementals strength. like this

Casting wind on an ice elemental does nothing. So maybe killing the Ice elemental takes away WIND resistance.

Like each elemental adds its defence to the gigas. That theory was also disproven cuz the magic dmg was still the same.

I do believe that killing 1 elemental will reduce his resistance on that specific elemental. it does just suck you can only pick a few elementals to kill and not all of them

[akinari]

so you had time to kill:
the bat, which is at jeuno
the kraken, which is at BST job flag area
and
the golem, which is at Behemoth's Dominion

all while clearing out the shit in your way ??


I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

lol i love haters yes its possible if your able to move around the big open areas without aggro. And if you can kill the stuff fast enough in each tunnel you just have to run back the key for this whole zone imo is the puller. If your puller can pull safetly and not link half the zone you can move efficiently through it. But yes we have done this I was their for every run we have done on Dynamis Qufim. Got him to like 40 sumtin percent our second to last run.

[Viq]

http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewto ... sc&start=0

Old thread where the OP mentions doing 40-70 per fist as MNK/SAM without touching any NMs. I think that, as well as the last post on Page4 of this thread, dispells the notion that Bat is linked to phys. def.

My LS tonight is also going to try the SJ -> Kraken -> Bat -> Boss route most likely. Bat, judging from the info gathered mostly here, seems to be linked to the boss' critcal hits, as the bat itself has been reported to have a very high crit hit rate. I'll be sure to post if this is consistant with what we find in the zone tonight.

As for elementals, I find the way the despawn to be interesting. It may be possible that the elementals are collectively treated as one NM, in that clearing the map of elementals may allow for a reduction in magic def. I really have nothing to back this up with other than making a guess based on what people have said here. Perhaps I can talk my LS into testing this soon.

[Lordwafik]

so you had time to kill:
the bat, which is at jeuno
the kraken, which is at BST job flag area
and
the golem, which is at Behemoth's Dominion

all while clearing out the shit in your way ??


I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

It's not impossible to kill the 3 if you know what you're doing

/console exec MrFleeTool.exe

lol

[Deegan]

As for elementals, I find the way the despawn to be interesting. It may be possible that the elementals are collectively treated as one NM, in that clearing the map of elementals may allow for a reduction in magic def. I really have nothing to back this up with other than making a guess based on what people have said here. Perhaps I can talk my LS into testing this soon.

This is what i believed as well. im not gonna keep any secrets so this is how to get rid of the entire zone of elementals

Fire
Lightning
Wind
Light

are the 4 elementals you can kill to rid the entire zone of all elementals. The <pos> of all these elems have been found out so tracking them down is easy.

Fire will kill water, lightning will kill earth, wind will kill ice, and light will kill dark. Thats all 8 elementals.

The time we did this, we DID NOT have time to kill the golem nm. we did however kill the bat and kraken but dmg was still horrible. If anyone can kill those 4 elementals, the 3 nms and have time to kill the gigas, please post the magic dmg. Its just the time issue.

Last night, we got to the rocs before the golem with about 15 min left after killing all 4 elementals, Strings and the Kraken, ( this is only possible by non stop running and precise sac pulls etc.) but a snoll got us before we were able to kill the golem nm but still. 15 min to kill the 3 rocs, 6 goblins, 2 statues, the golem nm itself, and have enough time to rest up and pull the gigas seems impossible.

[NynJa]

Just for those who spit bullshit that its possible to get from lake>jeuno>bst flag>behemoths>delkfutt legitimately, I will do the run, in qufim. Bear in mind that I wont have to "dodge aggro" or "kill stuff" or "buff on entry", I am doing the fastest possible route. ok, ready set go !


Lake: 4:50:00 est
Jeuno: 4:54:20 est
bst flag: 4:59:06 est
behemoth's: 5:02:47 est
delkfutt: 5:05:00 est

15 minutes in an aggro free, mob free, penis free run.


But who am I kidding, you guys are professionals, I'm just lowbie amateur shit. I'm sure you can kill Sclopendra, Suttung, Stringes, 6 Nightmare Rocs, ALLLLLLLL the shit thats in the way, rest a lil mp as well as kill Antaeus in under 45 minutes.



ol you're so fucking full of shit

[Thranduil]

Just for those who spit bullshit that its possible to get from lake>jeuno>bst flag>behemoths>delkfutt legitimately, I will do the run, in qufim. Bear in mind that I wont have to "dodge aggro" or "kill stuff" or "buff on entry", I am doing the fastest possible route. ok, ready set go !


Lake: 4:50:00 est
Jeuno: 4:54:20 est
bst flag: 4:59:06 est
behemoth's: 5:02:47 est
delkfutt: 5:05:00 est

15 minutes in an aggro free, mob free, penis free run.


But who am I kidding, you guys are professionals, I'm just lowbie amateur shit. I'm sure you can kill Sclopendra, Suttung, Stringes, 6 Nightmare Rocs, ALLLLLLLL the shit thats in the way, rest a lil mp as well as kill Antaeus in under 45 minutes.



ol you're so fucking full of shit

We got back to the NM with under 5 minutes left. We killed the minimum amount of mobs we could, sac pulled the kracken, sac'd large pulls away, etc. And the SJ question was right in our faces so we didn't even kill any bats w/o our SJ's.

Why would we make this shit up?

[Indiana]

Your analysis is wrong. You forget the main group takes a specific path and doesn't head to places like the BST area. A puller does, and pulls it back to the main group(at the southern point out of the lake) while another mob is being fought. Also, the main group does not head all the way to Jeuno, it heads to the end of the first big cavern at the farthest as all the other mobs are pulled, as the group is fighting other mobs. It's basically a burn party. Mobs are being pulled and put into place so be fought as soon as you finish the current mob. Yes, this is insane, and requires an extreme amount of coordination and preparation to pull off.

[FFXIFlux]

We got back to the NM with under 5 minutes left. We killed the minimum amount of mobs we could, sac pulled the kracken, sac'd large pulls away, etc. And the SJ question was right in our faces so we didn't even kill any bats w/o our SJ's.

Why would we make this shit up?

Our first trip (which I believe Nynja was also at) we dicked around a lot since we hadn't seen it before, took a while to get the ??? for SJ with our thieves going all the way to both Jeuno and Dominion zones, killed a couple entire sets of bombs, I think every fricken Quadav in the zone (3 groups?), lots of bats, the rocs as well as both the Kraken and Golemn NM and 2 or 3 elementals. Our very first time.

So Nynja really has no excuse not to believe that a LS that has gone into Dynamis-Qufim more than the twice he has and practiced this could kill less mobs and cover less ground than we managed on our very first go. Particularly since they were nice enough to post detailed steps on how to do it. Other than his head is shoved so far up his ass he can't see daylight of course.

[Deegan]

yea....i didnt mean to post to argue or anything like that, im just running out of ideas on what it takes to specifically beat this zone. SE wants us to work together on figuring out the game so thats all i really was asking for.

ideas and suggestions from other players on other servers on what they have seen or figured out.

[FFXIFlux]

ideas and suggestions from other players on other servers on what they have seen or figured out.

When I was chainspell stunning he just stood there agro on me doing ranged attacks/TP moves. I'd imagine if a paladin could hold hate at range and stand away from everyone else he'd have practically no damage output to speak of. Although again, even with almost no support our melee with Utsusemi were able to tank him for several minutes without a problem. They just couldn't do any real damage to him since we were BLM heavy and all the mages got deaded.

[NynJa]

lol ok there flux...

All you do is bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch whine nag bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch whine nag nag bitch bitch bitch.



I'm sure you can dodge all the aggro, and I think I know how:
teleport to various offsets.

once again, that's not legitimate

[NynJa]

Your analysis is wrong. You forget the main group takes a specific path and doesn't head to places like the BST area. A puller does, and pulls it back to the main group(at the southern point out of the lake) while another mob is being fought. Also, the main group does not head all the way to Jeuno, it heads to the end of the first big cavern at the farthest as all the other mobs are pulled, as the group is fighting other mobs. It's basically a burn party. Mobs are being pulled and put into place so be fought as soon as you finish the current mob. Yes, this is insane, and requires an extreme amount of coordination and preparation to pull off.

ok, well...um ok...You got me man.
Caught me red handed.
I have nothing further to say...













JUST KIDDING LOL

15. If time permits, which will be unlikely, kill 3 Rocs, 2 sets of Goblins and Golem NM.

You should have ninja edited that shit out bro...

My "youre so fucking full of shit" statement stands true.



Honestly, theres not one person here who has killed Suttung then engaged Anateus...and yet you're telling me that my theory is wrong. I bet none of you even ENGAGED Suttung seeing as how I had to illustrate Suttung's magic defence.

Pull your head out of your ass and read shit instead of "NYNJAS WRONG LOL", and flux come choke on my dick ffs.