Why complain about the economy, when you can prosper?

[dietvanillapepsi]

I suppose by now avoiding the topic of this post you are conceding that I am right in that this inflation is not the buyer's fault
And regardless, blms are greedy.. do they charge half for Worms Turn? No
Did the rangers charge half for Worms Turn before the nerf? No (and im a ranger and did this many many times)
Sure one of them has the possibility for 10 mill+ in drops and the other has 1 mill+ in drops but they are also two different stages in the game.
Either way I feel pretty confident that blms will get nerfed somehow, don't know how but im guessnig they will. I guarantee they will throw much more of a bitch fit than rangers did too because of all the "manaburn" killing that is done for everything.

You seem like someone who is just bitter because of the ranger nerf and is taking it out on the job that took your place. Not Blm's fault your job sucks.

Um... blm has always been top dd, this never changed. What is taking the place of rng is drg. I see more and more of them in pt's now taking a rng's place in a SC.

[Po]

diet just so you know I outdamaged most blms in exp before the nerf and this is just not an opinion, I had parsed results, but I do not wish to turn this into a new argument, just stating the fact.

[layoneil]

i'll do KS30 ODS on BLM if i can lot Ex Katana.

[dietvanillapepsi]

diet just so you know I outdamaged most blms in exp before the nerf and this is just not an opinion, I had parsed results, but I do not wish to turn this into a new argument, just stating the fact.

I don't doubt it but that is because blm nerf themselves. If a blm spam nuked as much as a rng spams arrows then it wouldn't even be a close contest.

Right now a blm casts DoT spells and other minor stuff to start off a fight so they can skill up their magic or ease the boredom of waiting for the melee's to both get 100 tp.

Just be glad that blm/nin is not a widely acceptable way to exp. But who knows, maybe it will become en vogue. Just need a BG member to say, "All the really cool people roll blm/nin" and our lfp searches will become filled with them.8)

And don't anyone tell me about "they would run out of mp" and crap. If a blm spent gil on items like a rng spends gil then how much of a problem would it be really?

And "just so you know" I have both jobs leveled so I know the potential of both. I was pretty pissed off with the nerf too but even before the nerf I wouldn't say rng was top DD.

[Po]

True if a blm spammed nuking like rangers spammed arrows then it would not be a contest. But, my friend, this assumes that a blm would live if it spammed nuking too which we all know would not happen :D
Anywho, in regards to the other thing you touched on, I wish blms would play blm/nin (or vice versa) I think it would be a really cool spin on it and I would even maybe play it.

[edgarfigaro]

Edgar you are most definitely going to be the whiniest of all the blms when the nerf does happen, this is for sure
As far as your contradiction comment, what I meant was high level elitist blms like I already said.
As far as the friend comment, that is completely uncalled for and has nothing to do with this. How about all the people who do DM with all blms, that is a group of 18 and the "normal" group is no longer used at all pretty much. Do these people have "no friends"? I doubt it.
As far as what Fistanwhatever said, you're right I was bitter at one point after the update but I dealt with it and moved on, but I hated this manaburn shit before the update even came, it's just a cop out. Probley the reason blms are so bitter anyway is because as was said earlier they don't get much except for A Hands in sky.

Edit - so maybe Monks should start charging for KRT parties, thats your guys idiotic argument about everything else?
Or maybe these blms should start charging for DM runs
Or maybe you idiots should get back to the topic at hand and show how my argument for inflation is wrong.
OR maybe my argument is right and all you can do is talk about coffee

Hmm, let's go point by point:
1)When/if the nerf happens, I'll be sad...but unlike 90% of the rngs I won't quit my job, because I leveled blm because I love the job. I didn't level it so I could get an osode.
2)I've never done a manaburn DM run...it's alot more fun with a standard group.
3) Yes it's sad that we don't get much from hnm scene...that has nothing to do with KS30 blm groups. For a long time, I was the only blm in ym group that was active in HNM stuff. We don't charge what we charge because we're bitter about HNM stuff, we charge what we charge because we feel it's the appropriate amount for the service we provide. If you think otherwise, do it yourself.
4) I'd like to see 3 mnks get that much xp solo, and brds/rdms/whms can get xp otherways as well.
5)Blms do charge for DM runs, if one person wants them. I know of few people that like to waste 2-3hours with a high possiblity of death for complete strangers (and yes, it takes that long ot get people to the fucking place)

[NynJa]

NynJa -
1) Did I say anything about HNMs? No, I mentioned KSNMs, and yes they are greedy thinking they deserve half of people's loot, get your own orbs

"Excuse me mr and mrs blm's. I know you're busy, but can you waste your time and do these KS30's for me and line my pockets and you get nothing for it ??"


Yeah, they're taking 50% and you're keeping 50%, that 50% is being distributed among 5 people. So they're taking 10% each.

I guess that greedy T_T.

[Lordwafik]

Hmm, let's go point by point:
1)When/if the nerf happens, I'll be sad...but unlike 90% of the rngs I won't quit my job, because I leveled blm because I love the job. I didn't level it so I could get an osode.

Ya same, my first job to 75, because I liked Lulu in FFX, Vivi in FF9, only natural.

2)I've never done a manaburn DM run...it's alot more fun with a standard group.

How can you judge if it's more fun, if you've never done it manaburn? It's very fun being a part of 18 blms tearing shit to peices. Also the other one is fun. I've done it both ways, and they both have their different ways of being fun.

3) Yes it's sad that we don't get much from hnm scene...that has nothing to do with KS30 blm groups. For a long time, I was the only blm in ym group that was active in HNM stuff. We don't charge what we charge because we're bitter about HNM stuff, we charge what we charge because we feel it's the appropriate amount for the service we provide. If you think otherwise, do it yourself.

I agree. We're just getting paid for what we deserve, Unless that person goes in solo, then they dont deserve all the items that the orb drops. Sure they farmed the seals alone, but everyone gets seals by exp'ing.

[Po]

lol I love how you guys are still on this, I got bored a long time ago.
By the way I didn't quit ranger either, so don't lump me into that 90% ktnx

[Fistandantilus]

I suppose by now avoiding the topic of this post you are conceding that I am right in that this inflation is not the buyer's fault
And regardless, blms are greedy.. do they charge half for Worms Turn? No
Did the rangers charge half for Worms Turn before the nerf? No (and im a ranger and did this many many times)
Sure one of them has the possibility for 10 mill+ in drops and the other has 1 mill+ in drops but they are also two different stages in the game.
Either way I feel pretty confident that blms will get nerfed somehow, don't know how but im guessnig they will. I guarantee they will throw much more of a bitch fit than rangers did too because of all the "manaburn" killing that is done for everything.

You seem like someone who is just bitter because of the ranger nerf and is taking it out on the job that took your place. Not Blm's fault your job sucks.

Um... blm has always been top dd, this never changed. What is taking the place of rng is drg. I see more and more of them in pt's now taking a rng's place in a SC.

Maybe it was different for you, but in all the old LS's i had pre-nerf, whenever we ran into trouble the solution was always throw more rangers at it. When someone asked ls what job they should lvl next, it was ranger. Had tons of shitty rangers who had no idea what the hell they were doing, but because everyone was so in love with Ranger nobody cared. Now its that way with Black mage, at least from what I have seen. A bunch of Blm's who have no idea what they are doing, and are just lvling the job because its the new job everyone wants.

I know Blm has always been a top dd, but it wasn't so widely over-used, everyone now just throws blm's at difficult mobs, where as before it seemed everyone just threw rangers at them.

[Po]

That much is true Fistan, unfortunately in both circumstances you know?
Glad we can agree on something

[Delekii]

All newer players can hope for is a great thing of drops on KS30 from the greedy, elitist blms (thats another story) and come out with 7 or 8 mill that they can begin to invest, but what are the chances for that to happen? 1 in 5 chances maybe of a V Claw from Desert Swarm?

If you want some BLM's to help you out for free, ask them - but if you expect them to do it for nothing, you are seriously lacking in understanding of the human condition. There is a difference between helping out a stranger with something (aka Coffer key), and lining a stranger's pocket with 10's of millions of gil for no efforton your behalf, or reward on theirs. The scorpian BC is one of the easiest BCs for a regular setup to do, so in essence by asking a BLM party to do it you are asking them to save you the effort and time of setting up your own damn run, nothing more or less.

NynJa -
1) Did I say anything about HNMs? No, I mentioned KSNMs, and yes they are greedy thinking they deserve half of people's loot, get your own orbs

Just because you didnt say anything about it does not mean that it is not relevent. The point Nynja was making, is that KSNM is not the only example of the BLM putting in effort for very little reward, comparably. Exclusive blms have extremely little to gain from end game, and yet are undoubtably one of the most important jobs. This is by design of the game, not by fault of the BLM's. KSNM is, in comparison to end game, the very LEAST requiring of BLMs.

And regardless, blms are greedy.. do they charge half for Worms Turn? No
Did the rangers charge half for Worms Turn before the nerf? No (and im a ranger and did this many many times)

How many groups of 5 blms go around advertising to run worms turn? Im sure if it was worth their time, they would. If you shouted "Looking for 5 blms to carry my sorry arse through worms turn for free because I cant be bothered doing it normally", how much responce would you expect. This is different from asking 5 BLMS who are YOUR FRIENDS to help you out - you are not forced to use the blm services.

LOL Kupo thats what I mean, you blms are so bitter
And then you make cop outs like "who cares" or typing really big in red font.. its just like saying "shutup" and pushing someone in argument cause you know they are right, lol silly blms

No, its pushing silly arguments aside because they are, well, silly. What you are saying makes no logical sense beyond "Waaaaaaaaaaah, Im way too lazy."

Why DO you care if blms offer to run your orb for a fee? YOU are not forced to do it. You can very easily make your own party, or ask your own friendly BLMs to help you out - I know that I often help out on linkshell ks99 runs, and help friends out with ks30. The blm mercenary groups have precisely ZERO impact on your gaming experience beyond that which you choose to allow them to have - you could black list every one, and you would never be the wiser.

Edit - so maybe Monks should start charging for KRT parties, thats your guys idiotic argument about everything else?

And, we have a winner for Po's most ridiculous argument yet. How many times do you have a monk KRT party in which one member provides no input to the party? Say some thief (no offense to the thieves but Im sure youd be the first to agree that you do not make outstanding contributions to the krt parties ><) shouts in Jeuno: "Looking for members: 2MNK, RDM, BRD, WHM, carry my xp in krt while I stand at the entrance and do nothing!". How many replies do you think they would get? Infact, when the summoner mob was still in sea and blm/blm/rdm/brd pt was in full swing, there were many, MANY offers of money from people wanting to "leech" the xp - people are willing to pay to get things done easily for them. If you are not, thats fine, but dont whinge when people wont do them for you for free.

diet just so you know I outdamaged most blms in exp before the nerf and this is just not an opinion, I had parsed results, but I do not wish to turn this into a new argument, just stating the fact.

Po just so you know, I am the real Jesus christ. This is not just an opinion, I have recorded diary entries stored on my own computer that prove that I am the one true messiah. Words are cheap, and everyone has opinions. If, one day, a nerf comes that stops blms from easily doing ks30s and other things, nothing more will happen than those groups will stop running - people who were willing to pay to take the easy way out will no longer be able to. Big deal.






As for the actual original topic before Po sent it spinning on a tangent, even in the economy swirling out of cotnrol it is hard to make any real PROFIT - atleast on pandemonium, EVERYTHING is going up. Like has been said in this thread many times before, there is a very limited supply of items that are actually profiting right now, because everything is going up. I left the game for 2 months, and before I left i spent every cent I had on haubergeons; and thank christ I did. I came back and the economy had gone completely off the charts, with most things atleast double the price; if i had left my 15mil of haubergeons in gil, it would be worth just 15mil, rather than the current 39mil ish they are worth now (unfourtunately I had to sell one to get back on my feet, but I am still holding onto the others.)

That said, I still cant afford anything more than I could afford before I leftl; even though my worth in gil has gone up about 250-300%, so has everything that I want to buy.

[Sephiroth]

Why do people even do BC/KSNMs with people who are too stingy to even bring an orb? How dare they ask for profit by leaching off of other people's orbs when they aren't contributing. I do understand BLMs wanting such profit if people are stupid enough to invite them, but the common sense way to do a BC/KSNM is for everyone to bring an orb. If you can't find 5 others with enough seals then you wait until you do.

PS. I'm a BLM myself. I wouldn't go to a BC/KSNM without an orb.

[Septimus]

Why do people even do BC/KSNMs with people who are too stingy to even bring an orb? How dare they ask for profit by leaching off of other people's orbs when they aren't contributing. I do understand BLMs wanting such profit if people are stupid enough to invite them, but the common sense way to do a BC/KSNM is for everyone to bring an orb. If you can't find 5 others with enough seals then you wait until you do.

PS. I'm a BLM myself. I wouldn't go to a BC/KSNM without an orb.

It's not 5 BLMs leaching off of someone else's orb. It is one person trying to leach an easy win off of 5 BLMs.

It is common sense that everyone should bring an orb, just like it is common sense that the BLMs should get paid for carrying someone through the fight.

[Denchi]

I think I bought my Okote for like 700k.

Now they're 5.5mil hahahahaha it rocks. When I get my D.Body I'll be able to buy my togi no problem

[Zumi]

I think of like BLMs taking advantage of stupid people cause I never found it hard to make own groups for KS fights. I don't see why people throw their money away on BLM groups.

[Orfeo]

I think I bought my Okote for like 700k.

Now they're 5.5mil hahahahaha it rocks. When I get my D.Body I'll be able to buy my togi no problem

I bought my assault earring for 50k, sold for 2.5m

2.1m for +2acc -1attk is kinda not worth it heh (400k mermans earring)

[Sephiroth]

Why do people even do BC/KSNMs with people who are too stingy to even bring an orb? How dare they ask for profit by leaching off of other people's orbs when they aren't contributing. I do understand BLMs wanting such profit if people are stupid enough to invite them, but the common sense way to do a BC/KSNM is for everyone to bring an orb. If you can't find 5 others with enough seals then you wait until you do.

PS. I'm a BLM myself. I wouldn't go to a BC/KSNM without an orb.

It's not 5 BLMs leaching off of someone else's orb. It is one person trying to leach an easy win off of 5 BLMs.

It is common sense that everyone should bring an orb, just like it is common sense that the BLMs should get paid for carrying someone through the fight.

What so you're saying BLMs should take their own orb aswell as get a split from the non-BLM? Holy crap, there's some extremely stupid people in this world if anyone agrees to terms like those. I'd say it's extremely greedy but taking advantage of stupid people is fine, they deserve everything they get if they're stupid enough to agree to that. Let's just hope you don't do the same to LS members otherwise you could find yourself paying out a fortune for any help that would normally be obtained for free. You want Kirin drop for second job? Fine but pay everyone in alliance 1mil first. You want something crafted? Fine, 500k fee. You might say "omg but u ned mi 2 win fites" but contrary to popular believe, we don't.

[royze]

the auction house is trying to tell you something, but you wont listen..
if you think the item you're after is too expensive...go get it..u want a haubregon? go kill simurgh..theres gilsellers? you could always claim it..get the ingot and wear the armor that some people pay 200$ or whatever to get it..


u want youre sniper rings? go do the bc and tell someone to craft it for you..
hell, if u wanted a freakin kraken club, camp it and get it...rather than paying 200m for an item that proved to us all that it will mpk your party..

until the day people do that no one prices are going to drop..

[BRP]

Too bad SE likes to nerf drops an update after they implement them ;o.