Shura Haidate Vs. Byakko's Haidate

[Lockecole]

Sorry about all of the pesimistic comments. I'm just still waiting for a Meat DD to out-DD my Sushi WAR. It hasn't happened yet. I've outparsered Meat MNKs in KRT as a WAR using Axe/Sword. This is main tanking...having to cast Utsusemi:Ichi and Ni.

If you can't realize the difference in DoT when you're hitting 95%+ instead of 75-80%....then I don't know what to say beyond what I already have.

Edit: Never...at any point, short of being blinded...should a MNK macro in Life belt ever, and if ever, only possibly during a WS while blinded.

[Nny]

Meh, I think once you get enough ACC in equip along with merits, Meat's better fighting VTs.

I hit normally around 87-88% ACC against Deco's with +33 ACC (+38 after food) and +38 DEX. Also +12 sword skill and had capped merits. Now with Aggressor merits made possible and higher combat cap, would be even better.

87-88% ACC might sound bad, but the added damage per hit is just amazing. Ridill hits 100+ pretty constantly with Berserk up, and Joyeuse even breaks 100+. That's also with only one minuet, two minuets would be even higher. Whenever I use sushi now in EXP, I feel sooooo weak.

I also outparsed another Ridill WAR by 300 damage a fight, him using Maneater+Ridill and Sushi with me using Ridill+Joyeuse and Hedgehog Pie. And that's just one of many situations of how much Hedgehog Pie has increased my damage in EXP.

And DEX does seem better to be ACC once you reach a certain point. Most noticable when using Sushi. Somethings deffinatly up when, using sushi, a more DEX build/less ACC build outparses a more ACC build/less DEX build time and time again.

And +15 DEX came out to be about +3% crit rate against Decos for me. x;

[Koyangi]

I've seen Lockecole's #'s, I know his equips and generally what he has macroed for Rampage, he puts meat eating war's with almost same equip choices as him to shame. And I pull hate on mnk's in krt who eat meat, and I eat sushi, so who is the gimp? MNK's are designed for DoT, the more I hit the better.

[Tom Chambers]

I've seen Lockecole's #'s, I know his equips and generally what he has macroed for Rampage, he puts meat eating war's with almost same equip choices as him to shame. And I pull hate on mnk's in krt who eat meat, and I eat sushi, so who is the gimp? MNK's are designed for DoT, the more I hit the better.

lolol

[Xavier]

I also outparsed another Ridill WAR by 300 damage a fight, him using Maneater+Ridill and Sushi with me using Ridill+Joyeuse and Hedgehog Pie. And that's just one of many situations of how much Hedgehog Pie has increased my damage in EXP

Do you have A+ sword skill through merits? If you do I'm not going to say anything.

On the whole, I much more enjoy minuetx2 and a 98% hit rate than any other brd song + atk food. Sushi has always been better DoT for me than meat, even if the WS are a bit more random.

[Ankiseth]

I think what you guys have gotten into is also largely based on the job you're playing though. WARs are different from MNKs are different from NINs. I know a WAR who lives and dies by attack gear and using attack food, doesn't ever want to touch sushi. But I know that if I use sushi my acc never drops below 98% in a deco party. I've used a hedgehog pie and it was almost decent, I could tell the attack difference watching some of my Jins go a bit higher and my hits, but I lost a lot of Acc and my Jins started to miss at least one hit so often it didn't seem practical unless I was getting madrigal. Now if I was (we had a BRD but he just plain sucked) it probably would have been good, but unless you're in a good setup, I like to hit 98% of the time when I'm using Haste+15% and a Brutal Earring.

[Serif]

Sorry from going a little off topic. The Undead Killer earrings, has any MNK on here or you know a MNK who has tried them in a KRT PT? I have seen a couple of well known JP MNKs wear them in town and I am guessing they use them in KRT PTs. Didn't know for what purpose than to I guess intimidate them?

[BRP]

Killer effects also increases attack on those type of monsters no?

[Awoir]

I heard of a MNK using one of those earrings in KRT once, said it intimidated about once every 3 fights. Not worth it IMO

[XxSlusherxx]

Comparing war and mnk food choices is really a stretch. Your talking about a job meriting an A+ weapon, as opposed to A- or B+, and in some cases your talking about using a multi attacking sword, which unless you parce againgst a faith monk, is doing this comparison an injustice. On war (my job) I went for all attack gear and ate sushi and it worked wonders, I agree on that. But mnk is a diffrent thing entirely.

[Serif]

Killer effects also increases attack on those type of monsters no?

I am not sure. :\

Why I am asking.

[Wizerd]

You know, you "meat" fanatics make real damage dealers cringe. The +15% Accuracy ends up working out to about +55 to 65 accuracy after adding in all factors, including accuracy+ gear, weapon skill, and DEX.

To get that accuracy in gear you'd have to sacrafice pretty much every other damage gear slot, losing out on what, +20, +30 STR, +40 in some cases? The extra attack from your food certainly does not outweigh the STR you are losing when going for a DD setup. If you really want those numbers, try wearing full DD gear and using meat. Sure, your accuracy drops a ton, but you get the numbers, and occasionally on the WS. And no, the STR doesn't only affect your WS, it affects every single hit you do.

[Tom Chambers]

You know, you "meat" fanatics make real damage dealers cringe. The +15% Accuracy ends up working out to about +55 to 65 accuracy after adding in all factors, including accuracy+ gear, weapon skill, and DEX.

To get that accuracy in gear you'd have to sacrafice pretty much every other damage gear slot, losing out on what, +20, +30 STR, +40 in some cases? The extra attack from your food certainly does not outweigh the STR you are losing when going for a DD setup. If you really want those numbers, try wearing full DD gear and using meat. Sure, your accuracy drops a ton, but you get the numbers, and occasionally on the WS. And no, the STR doesn't only affect your WS, it affects every single hit you do.

You're a fucking disgrace if you have a job with an A+ weapon.

Disregard if you're talking about using non A+ weapons.

Reregard if you've merited whatever your weapon is to like 285 or higher.

STR is nice, til you have like 30 of it. Then it doesn't do anything for normal hits. ATK is where it's at, when you can get 20% extra attack from equip (not counting berserk and minuets- because smart players use food when those buffs are up) then you're right. Until then you're just a dumbass without a parser.

PARSE YOUR SHIT. I'm sick of people saying they do so much damage and they hit for this much or that much. If you're an accomplished endgame player it's easy to get 50 in accuracy in gear. It's hard to get +20% atk in gear. You can hit for just a little bit lower percentage with meat, but for 20-30 more a swing. It's quite simple you fucking idiot.

[DrObvious]

You know, you "meat" fanatics make real damage dealers cringe. The +15% Accuracy ends up working out to about +55 to 65 accuracy after adding in all factors, including accuracy+ gear, weapon skill, and DEX.

Some people claim there's a +30 or so accuracy cap on sushi.

[Tom Chambers]

You know, you "meat" fanatics make real damage dealers cringe. The +15% Accuracy ends up working out to about +55 to 65 accuracy after adding in all factors, including accuracy+ gear, weapon skill, and DEX.

Some people claim there's a +30 or so accuracy cap on sushi.

I don't believe that claim.

However...

Optical Hat: 10 ACC

PCC: 10 ACC

Sniper +1s x2: 14 ACC

Haubie/SH/Shura: 10 ACC

+44 ACC in four slots. At 285 (for example) that's easily enough accuracy to parse at 88%-89%. Now someone get +20% atk in 4 slots.

Haubie/Shura: +10

Bando's: +22

OR

Juggernaut: +30

Sweet. Can we get 60-70 atk in two slots now? I almost put a Juggy and Bando's in there but LOL no job can use both.

Sushi users fail. Not in the 60s or something, I'm compassionate. But at 75...yes.

[Wizerd]

I parse every time and meat eaters with full merits and accuracy gears have been in my parties several times. I'm ahead of them by a good 5-6% of the damage every single time, and that's while on MNK. I tend to get haste last too...

UNLESS MY PARSER HAX! zomg.

[Tom Chambers]

And I parse too and I always end up ahead of sushi users (it's not even close). OMG let's ask other MNKs because one of us is lying.

(Hint: It's you)

[aurik]

I've never failed to demolish a sushi user in KRT while using meat, the only people who regularly outparse me are meat monks with sick gears.
With only 4 upgrades to h2h I was parsing around 86% accuracy without clearing my blind with eyedrops. With 8 h2h upgrades (I'm only 7k xp short of my 8th) and carrying the usual stacks of eyedrops I imagine I'll be around 90%.

With 90% acc, sushi is going to barely do a thing -- raise my hit rate by a 6% maybe -- compared to the very obvious increase in damage from using meat.

[geno]

i've done quite a few mnk pts (as a brd... spectator only!) and on all my parses the meat/pie/REDCURRY-FTW mnks ALWAYS outparse the sushi mnks handsdown. the sushi mnk has to be REALLY geared out to come close or beat an engame equipped meat mnk.

[Lockecole]

Maneater (16att)
Juggy(30att/4str)
Adaman Hauberk(15att/10str)
Bomb Core(12att)
Swordbelt+1(12att)
Warrior's Mufflers(12att)
Adaman Celata(9att)
Adaman Sollerets(5att)
Fenrirs/Mermans(10/6att)
Ryl.Guard Collar(4/5att)
Rings 5/5STR(5att/10str)
Forager's Mantle(15att3/str)

140ATT/27STR (+153ATT /w STR)

Anyother questions as to why I use sushi?