Shura Haidate Vs. Byakko's Haidate

[layoneil]

Xavier is the end all DD now?

Rykoshet.

[Elcura]

I think since sole sushi just reached 70k on bahamut (and will rise) meat is now a better option for those gil challenged people

[SilverBreeze]

In other news:
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Discuss.

Ardagas are for newbs. :D

I know what you mean though, when I joined my HMN shell, there were 5 monks. Now in the last 2-3 months, like 15 people in the damn LS have leveled monk, I'm just glad I got my black belt already :O

[Xavier]

all those gimps without Voyager Sallets, what's up with that?

uh afk

Ardagas are for newbs.

uh afk

[Elcura]

Mythril Knuckles +1 ftw

[SilverBreeze]

Does it look like to anyone else, that Ryoske is about the wheel around and slap the shit out that goblin?

[Xavier]

Looks like hes about to bitch slap the goblin w/ the shield.

[Lordwafik]

Hey epigram Nice to see you post here.

Im obvoiusly not gonna drop all my stuff and start being meat onry and /spit on sushi , i'll have to test stuff a few times. I keep my kabrakens usually for the +4 acc, not really the +slow effect, in a TP burn party it really helps, I dont know of any other axe with accuracy on it, I can only imagine it's price if a warrior could wear it

I see juggy the same way I see an adaman hauberk, on Asura it's 20+ mil, so unless IGE wishes me a very mery christmas, I dont see myself having it Although the +30 attack from it WOULD be awesome, and I'd finally break 400 attack and wouldnt mind using sushi.

I did try play around in sky with a few different sets of gear. I tried :

Maneater/Tabarzin with Warwolf belt and Coeurl sub - That was nice and high DoT, but I missed a ton of hits, my rampages were also inconsistent, I was getting them between 250-600, most of them closer to the 300 mark. Tried the same, but with a life belt, it was slightly better, then tried the same + life belt + Kabrakens axe, and my rampages were consistently around the 5XX mark, once pulling a 7XX , must have been a 5 hit critical. I pulled hate off our warrior a few times, dunno if i should be happy for me or sad for him >.>
I am thinking if i got better acc rings + life belt, this might be the way to go.

I did use sushi later on, with my normal exp setup, and it was great, I would hit consistently, but not very hard, due to the lack of attack, whereas coeurl subs I was hitting harder.

My rampage gear is mostly all the STR and DEX gear I can find, I swap in :

Heca cap
Heca harness
Warwolf Belt
Monster Trousers
Spike Necklace
Pixie earring stays on the whole time during tp/ws

I'd love to sub war, i'd get a nice +attack boost, but, last thing I need is my mages draining MP on me getting whirl'o'raged.

[Blackdreamr]

Sorta drifted from the OP but yeah, you can get to 90% acc on Bones with Meat food with relitive ease. Also hitting for 140-160 with Meat food at 90% is better than hitting for 100-120 with sushi at 95%.

About the OP it seems to me that 15 DEX is a LOT worse than 7 acc, in terms of actually hitting. First PT I used Byakkos I noticed a decrease in acc, that was without even looking at a parser. At that time I too thought 15 DEX was roughly 7 acc, but now looking at the actual performance, it seems more like 1 or 2 acc.

The Haste will still beat out the higher acc of Shura, if the mobs live longer than 45 seconds, i think

[epigram]

Wafik I would ditch the monster trousers on WS. Just use thick or something. I'd take +2 acc and +5 attack over +4 dex. I'll probably get galliard myself pretty soon since It will be a long ass time before I get byakko.

[Russta]

Tonight I had my Monk friend parse me against myself in KRT using Shura Haidate for the first half of the party then Byakko's Haidate for the second half. I was mainly worried about using Byakko's in the past because of losing 7 accuracy but I farmed a shit load of King Truffles the other day and figured the 5 acc from my plethora of Hedgehog Pies would cover the difference. Anyway, my damage rose 7-10% (rough figure taking into account variables) with Byakko's Haidate and I had no loss of accuracy. My critical hit rate went up by about .6% too. Sadly the first half of the parsing got lost so posting only the second half would be pointless but suffice to say I know what I'll be using from now on.

[Denchi]

Nice Russta. Did you notice a diff in WS damage?

[Tom Chambers]

If anything, Byakko's has more accuracy than Shura, so that point was kinda moot.

[Russta]

Nice Russta. Did you notice a diff in WS damage?

I added Shura Haidate into my Asura macro :wink:

If anything, Byakko's has more accuracy than Shura, so that point was kinda moot.

Of course it has.

[Tom Chambers]

Then you were concerned...why?

[Lockecole]

If anything, Byakko's has more accuracy than Shura, so that point was kinda moot.

Now they agree with me.

[Tom Chambers]

15 DEX is 7.5 acc, so I don't see where the blowing away part comes in. I'm not even sure the game works in fractions with acc. That said, Byakko's are still better cause they'll give you that one extra hit every 20 rounds, and extra attacks outweigh almost anything else in this game. Hence when Double Attack, Triple Attack, Homam body (arguably), and Brutal Earring all own.

From the first fucking thing I posted in this thread.

GTFO, you're the one who who came up with all this justification for using sushi, arguing on and on, showing off all your atk gear, etc. Then when it was shown how you could tweak your build to get much higher atk while sacrificing 5 or so accuracy, you just said "I do 1500 Rampages" effectively giving up.

You shoulda kept your mouth shut, guy, and just continued to eat sushi on VT mobs with a weapon in 280s. Fucking gimp.

[vudoodoodoo]

OH noes. Someone's feelings are hurt.

[Lockecole]

Then when it was shown how you could tweak your build to get much higher atk while sacrificing 5 or so accuracy,

That's where you're wrong...you act as if equipping an optical hat and a lifebelt will suddenly even touch what Sushi does for my accuracy. Do you even comprehend how sushi effects your accuracy?

98% Accuracy > All. I don't care if you're hitting for negative numbers.

you just said "I do 1500 Rampages" effectively giving up.

I stated that mentioning the fact that I throw up higher numbers on WSes, and higher numbers for DoT on parser, then any meat user and sushi user Ive ever PTed with. Not to "give up" but to state a fact that my setup works, and in many examples blows away other builds. You think 10-20 acc can replace sushi....which shows me you havent even tested what sushi does for you accuracy...cause you'd need like +90 accuracy and still not come close to having 98 hit%.

You shoulda kept your mouth shut, guy, and just continued to eat sushi on VT mobs with a weapon in 280s. Fucking gimp.

I wouldnt stand by my build and the food I use, unless I knew it parsered higher and was inturn a more efficient setup then anything I've tried. I wouldnt spend 5 times as much on food if I wanted to be a "fucking gimp"

[Xavier]

15 DEX is 7.5 acc, so I don't see where the blowing away part comes in. I'm not even sure the game works in fractions with acc. That said, Byakko's are still better cause they'll give you that one extra hit every 20 rounds, and extra attacks outweigh almost anything else in this game. Hence when Double Attack, Triple Attack, Homam body (arguably), and Brutal Earring all own.

From the first fucking thing I posted in this thread.

GTFO, you're the one who who came up with all this justification for using sushi, arguing on and on, showing off all your atk gear, etc. Then when it was shown how you could tweak your build to get much higher atk while sacrificing 5 or so accuracy, you just said "I do 1500 Rampages" effectively giving up.

You shoulda kept your mouth shut, guy, and just continued to eat sushi on VT mobs with a weapon in 280s. Fucking gimp.

I love people who think their way is the only way.