JoL Pandemonium server part II

[Warrick]

who the fuck are u? have u fought anything worth while no keep ur thoughts to urself. no one in my ls said it was nerfd if the jps think its nerfed cause there blms suck compared to ours thats to bad.

[Socromon]

someone sounds jealous :D

[Onizuka]

GO GO THIRTY PAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

LOL!

[Rin]

Warrick, stop being noob. Outsiders watching the fight said it was nerfed. The JPs in my party who fought JoL the first time and were watching the fight last night said it was nerfed. And even other members of Kupo said it was nerfed. No one's taking away from your accomplishment of killing JoL. He's still a hard fight, and Kupo deserves congratulations for killing him.

But JoL's regen was. still. NERFED.

In my opinion the more you fight something the easier it gets. Also because the endgame community is constantly improving itself month after month the endgame stuff gets easier month after month. People usually blame these kinda things on Nerfs but in reality has SE ever written a official statement saying it was nerfed ? Unless they do this i'd have to keep my opinion on JOL being the same as it was when it was released. If anyone can get an official statement from SE saying they nerfed it then my opinion shall change on this matter.

[Alleya]

lol. You mean like the time SE announced that they lengthened Ullikumi's repop time? Or the time they announced steamcleaner no longer pops?

When something stops regening 800+ hp a tic or whatever, you notice it.

[Zumi]

In the latest patch notes "The behavior of certain notorious monsters in Lumoria has been adjusted." Which means they could have changed JoL.

http://www.playonline.com/pcd/update/ff ... etail.html

[nivlakian]

wonder what happens when u click on the NPCs for the map while hes poped, you guys happen to do that?

No, I don't think anyone happened to click them while he was up.

Lv 3 skill chains with virtue weapons do anything or dispel anything?

No, didn't try this.

Did you try all 5 panels in the gardan with the correct race in each tower pressing them at the same time?

Nope.



A lot of people posted while I was writing my post above, but I think it's unnecessary to have an argument about whether or not it was nerfed. I suppose it's too late and people will argue anyway.

[Palin]

Delekii tried the Ebon Panels while AV was popped with no effect, and Carrisa tried to Steal from AV with no effect as well, just for the record.

[Not Kuno]

JoL summoned hella fast when we fought it, much faster then every 2 minutes.

[Caocao]

No, you'll never get an official word from SE on anything. Remember the Steam Cleaner fiasco? However, in a recent update, they did say that "the behavior of certain NMs in Lumoria has been adjusted." Which NM do you think they're referring to? Why don't you ask Simd what he thinks about JoL's regen?

No one is taking anything away from what Kupo was able to accomplish last night. It is a big deal to kill JoL, regardless of what level of regen he has. But it's absurd and unfair to the people in other HNMLS on other servers to lie and say JoL's regen is at the same level it was before. You should be secure enough in your own accomplishments to not feel the need to artificially inflate JoL's difficulty.

[masag0]

don't derail this thread into a hate thread.

besides shadowbind/nuke strat, anymore feasible strats?

pls remember Kirin used to be crazy too, and SE nerft it.

the only people who can judge if it was nerft was that JPN LS who won previously since they saw both battles.

anyways what we need to discuss is AV here.

if SE doesn't nerft AV anytime soon perhaps its time for us players to take it to the next level.

Everything we do now is offense focused. Our Drk, SAM, WAR, etc focus all on STR and attack and disregard DEF and VIT and magic resist.

Things like player swapping and synchonized attacks will need to be focused on.

Coordination will have to be perfect.

Assuming the wynavs are out of hte picture and kited away. all the BLM must scatter and form a circle around AV. stay apart from each other. everyone must know who has AV's attention at all times. whoever has attention should run away and not nuke, while other BLM nukes. immediatly after htey nuke, a shadowbind should follow. now a new BLM will have hate. you gotta determine who has hate.

anyways lets focus on strategy and not flame each other's ideas

[Suiram]

I think what my punctuationally-challenged friend is trying to say, is that there's a big difference in the appearance of a mob's regen when you're making a few vain attempts to damage to it, the regrouping and letting it regen, to when you are consistently beating its regen and watching its HP slowly be whittled down.

If you look at the time stamps and HP announcements in Niv's thread from November, his initial post and Warrick's post further down (which i just double-checked for the sake of this arguement), it took the other LS on our server 40 min to move his HP bar down 40% from 50% to 10%. When you consider that, and you take into account the comparative damage we were doing it (see Palin's post a page or two back), I don't think it's very likely they changed his regen. Not that I think it matters all that much.

On a side note, the same could be said for AV. To me, it seemed like his regen was insurmountable, that there was no way to keep up enough damage to break it. But, until you get him to just sit still and stop killing people for long enough to bring him lower than 95%, there's not really an accurate way to guage it.

[nivlakian]

Delekii tried the Ebon Panels while AV was popped with no effect, and Carrisa tried to Steal from AV with no effect as well, just for the record.

Yeah, Delekii did try the ebon panels while AV was up, but that person asked about trying all 5 with correct race etc which we did not do. Just to clarify.

As for stealing from AV, what message did Carissa get? I think there's 2 when a THF steals... one saying you fail to steal and another saying there's nothing to steal. Do you know which one it was? Carissa isn't logged in atm.

I personally don't have any other feasible strategies in my mind yet. I think there are methods that may allow for better observations to be made though.

While we were holding AV, one of SMN sacrificied himself using Fenrir. Fenrir stayed alive for a decent amount of time with the 3 wyverns and AV attacking (maybe 20s or so). So I was thinking if you could sacrifice people in an order (if they're willing of course ).

Kite away the wyverns and have some people with virtue weapons attack AV along with a SMN's fenrir. The SMN runs off and the virtue weapon people die. As AV heads to the SMN, someone vokes it, SMN resummons Fenrir and so on. This is just to keep AV up with aggro on someone and observing if anything changed in his behavior after the initial virtue weapon people attacked him. See what 2hrs he's using, how often he uses the 2hrs etc. I hope you get the idea.

[MisterBob]

Well, in reference to the Lumoria NM changes things, my LS did notice one of them:

Jailer of Fortitude no longer has a cast time on reflected spells, so you can no longer cure bomb him or cast Freeze or something to occupy his reflect, and make him stop doing damage. Now all of his spells are instant.

[Mcdohl]

damn, I wanna join your LS! too bad im in Levi and I don't know of any NA LS that has even popped JoL here. maybe there is, but most likely not lol >.<

grats on killing JoL ^^

here goes a list of killing-AV theories!

1)Fully upgraded relic weapons {Full attack!}
2)SCing with Virtue weapons and torque and virtue stones. (old)
3)Wait until they nerf it. (old)
4)An alliance of DRK/NINs and SMNs, each pt with a summon to Baraeora(is there bar-wind-ga spell?)Stoneskinga-Hastega all the DRKs, so they Dual Wield Kraken Club + Ridill + Souleater + Last Resort + Blood Weapon! Wear ACC or STR gear, w/e is needed the most. A 2ndary alliance also {Full Attack!}s and a 3rd alliance kites the wynavs. ^^ 36 ppl needed, 15 DRK/NINs...so hard one lol
5)Make all melees wear the most HP+ gear possible and Spirits Within 300TP. I think 300TP Spirits = 50% of your current HP, but it breaks thru all or most DEFs.
6)Let DRG/WHM solo it.
7)Try finding a logic or a trigger for AVs 2hrs and how to control them. (example: the new dynamises NMs)
8)Cap Enfeebling on merits, wear the most enf+ gear possible and ele seal Silence AV! lol
9)Bring BSTs to charm the Wynavs. (maybe SE wants BST to be useful, since they made BST almost useless for sea, no CHR+ ring btw at the end of CoP)
10)Last dumb theory for today...Hurt the wynavs, sleepga2 em, let AV spirit link, when he does that Full attack! AV, then hurt wynavs again, sleepga2 em, let Av spirit link, when he does that Full attack! AV, then hurt...and so on >_>

[nivlakian]

9)Bring BSTs to charm the Wynavs. (maybe SE wants BST to be useful, since they made BST almost useless for sea, no CHR+ ring btw at the end of CoP)

We actually had a 75BST there. Gauge or whatever said they weren't charmable.

10)Last dumb theory for today...Hurt the wynavs, sleepga2 em, let AV spirit link, when he does that Full attack! AV, then hurt wynavs again, sleepga2 em, let Av spirit link, when he does that Full attack! AV, then hurt...and so on >_>

We were never able to land ES Sleepga 2 on the wyverns.

[Mcdohl]

9)Bring BSTs to charm the Wynavs. (maybe SE wants BST to be useful, since they made BST almost useless for sea, no CHR+ ring btw at the end of CoP)

We actually had a 75BST there. Gauge or whatever said they weren't charmable.

10)Last dumb theory for today...Hurt the wynavs, sleepga2 em, let AV spirit link, when he does that Full attack! AV, then hurt wynavs again, sleepga2 em, let Av spirit link, when he does that Full attack! AV, then hurt...and so on >_>

We were never able to land ES Sleepga 2 on the wyverns.

k...SE now hates BST, they can't do much in sea, no CoP ring for em, they got nerfed!

as for sleepga2...um...maybe replace with kite, use movement speed+ equipment (crimson pants, strider boots if thf or rng, nin af boots if night+nin, i think there are some mage boots with speed+, anyway...yeah replace with kite)

[Baltasar]

Before ppl make any more posts about kiting the Wyverns which isn't the problem really. (yes we did kite them)

The problem is AV that spams stuff instant and hits PLD for 300-400 (our PLD probably have 90% of the best gear) and he's fast you can't kite, you cant gravity you can however Shadowbind.

So Shadowbind + kite the wyverns seems like the only way to actually be able to do something against him and try dmg in a "safe" way atm.

[Mcdohl]

Before ppl make any more posts about kiting the Wyverns which isn't the problem really. (yes we did kite them)

The problem is AV that spams stuff instant and hits PLD for 300-400 (our PLD probably have 90% of the best gear) and he's fast you can't kite, you cant gravity you can however Shadowbind.

So Shadowbind + kite the wyverns seems like the only way to actually be able to do something against him and try dmg in a "safe" way atm.

y not nin tank then?
how often does it cast AerogaIV? and can it 1-hit KO NINs?

[Steveon]

Was it stated that AV uses nukes only relative to the element of the day? If so, wouldn't it be less taxing to fight it on maybe Lightsday or Darksdays? Banishga and Light spells may do some significant damage but are there any damaging Dark spells? The worst he would do is Sleepga?