trapped in jail~ send help!

[NynJa]

GM NIGGAZ !!!!!





I Swear I read it like that at first...

[Koga]

Dawem.. I always get Enkretia and she makes me repeat why I was jailed and say that I won't do it again

[Rocl]

GM NIGGAZ !!!!!





I Swear I read it like that at first...

Me too :\ Why couldnt Mdn and [GM]Niggaz eat some cake together?

[Remus]

[GM]Nyagas more like [GM]Nyanzers

[Chumbelina]

Nyagas]you are there because you broke the rules, holding and stalling a monster

OK, I know I haven't read all of the POL user agreement rules, but where exactly does it say holding a monster is "unlawful"?

And in the case that this is against the user agreement, could I report a powerleveller in the dunes who hold a crab in order to aspir its MP? I mean what if I really REALLY wanted to kill that crab, and he's just standing there holding it?

[Krandor]

"You are in jail because you are american?"

~lol

[BRP]

lol mdn ;o

[NynJa]

NA's in FFXI are like black people in slave-america.

[vas]

Westside

[Mierin]

Really, filing a Class-Action lawsuit would really be the best solution here. Although numerous people have been pessamists and think a lawsuit won't work, they are wrong.

The problem is that you need someone to actually step up and take the time to retain a lawyer who handles class action suits. The time would need to be taken with the lawyer to review the relevant California state laws and the Federal laws to find all applicable laws under which suit could be brought. You must also find an attorney who would be willing to take the case seriously. In the general populace, video-gamers are not really taken seriously. This stigma would need to be overcome by finding the right lawyer who understands how we as game players have been harmed.

In addition, the person who initiates the case needs to be representative of the class. That person must have suffered discrimination from SE first hand. This is primarily why someone like me could not initiate this action because I haven't run into these encounters (I tend to avoid HNMLS that fight ground gods).

Finally, it would be imparative that the FFXI community start documenting everything. This may mean downloading fraps and filming hours of useless time at HNM campsites hoping to film that one instance of GM player abuse and discrimination. Perfect examples would be videos of GMs giving warnings or suspensions for NAs holding HNMs, the subsequent videos of GMs declaring JP holding actions to not be in violation of the ToS. Those screenshots of the America is not a race conversations are perfect. This would ultimately be the most important documentary evidence. One or two instances would be just anathmas. If the class could produce tens of hundreds of videos showing GM player abuse and discrimination, it makes the case stronger.

The first thing upon finally filing the suit would be for the lawyer to certify the class. If the class is certified, SE would be required to turn over it entire player database to which the lawyer could forward class letters offering players who fit the class to join the lawsuit.

In the end, the class members would probably get very little money, and the big winner would be the lawyers. But the settlement could include refunds of monthly fees and if the class is sufficiently large, could seriously damage SE in the wallet.

However, as I stated in the beginning, the hard part will be to get someone motivated enough to retain the lawyer and be willing to spearhead the battle all the way through. But if you want it done, start documenting everything.

[Koga]

That idea has been proposed several times and attempted several times.
All of them fail or never heard of again.

[vas]

Really, filing a Class-Action lawsuit would really be the best solution here. Although numerous people have been pessamists and think a lawsuit won't work, they are wrong.

The problem is that you need someone to actually step up and take the time to retain a lawyer who handles class action suits. The time would need to be taken with the lawyer to review the relevant California state laws and the Federal laws to find all applicable laws under which suit could be brought. You must also find an attorney who would be willing to take the case seriously. In the general populace, video-gamers are not really taken seriously. This stigma would need to be overcome by finding the right lawyer who understands how we as game players have been harmed.

In addition, the person who initiates the case needs to be representative of the class. That person must have suffered discrimination from SE first hand. This is primarily why someone like me could not initiate this action because I haven't run into these encounters (I tend to avoid HNMLS that fight ground gods).

Finally, it would be imparative that the FFXI community start documenting everything. This may mean downloading fraps and filming hours of useless time at HNM campsites hoping to film that one instance of GM player abuse and discrimination. Perfect examples would be videos of GMs giving warnings or suspensions for NAs holding HNMs, the subsequent videos of GMs declaring JP holding actions to not be in violation of the ToS. Those screenshots of the America is not a race conversations are perfect. This would ultimately be the most important documentary evidence. One or two instances would be just anathmas. If the class could produce tens of hundreds of videos showing GM player abuse and discrimination, it makes the case stronger.

The first thing upon finally filing the suit would be for the lawyer to certify the class. If the class is certified, SE would be required to turn over it entire player database to which the lawyer could forward class letters offering players who fit the class to join the lawsuit.

In the end, the class members would probably get very little money, and the big winner would be the lawyers. But the settlement could include refunds of monthly fees and if the class is sufficiently large, could seriously damage SE in the wallet.

However, as I stated in the beginning, the hard part will be to get someone motivated enough to retain the lawyer and be willing to spearhead the battle all the way through. But if you want it done, start documenting everything.

It's incredibly unlikely that any lawyer will take 'begrudged video game players subject to racism in an MMO' as an actionable class. 1st Off C.A. lawyers make their wages by taking a % of the reward. The claims we have are marginal and onesided at best. No one actually sees what happens to the JPs that we claim suffer no punishment. We need 'proof' of racism to the point that it interrupts our ability to play the game. Even then playing this game is a privilege and not a right and may not, as such fall under the same anti-discrimination laws that govern the US given it's global capacity. I just walked my mind into some super murky jurisdiction problems without even trying. No lawyer is going to take a class of FFXI players because it's too tenuous a claim, the class isn't defined, and there's probably not even an actionable cause.

[Kuponut]

Can't go at it saying its Racism... because all NA's aren't of a single "Race"

Just use Discrimination?

[Arioka]

Nation Discrimination.

[Thaesus]

if the ACLU will represent NAMBLA, then why not FFXI players?

[Vinen]

Need a gay Mexican FFXI player to contact them!

[vas]

if the ACLU will represent NAMBLA, then why not FFXI players?

The ACLU might support your cause but I don't think it's going to pay the legal bills. The thing about class action suits is that they're incredibly costly. Most likely the charges would be dismissed for lack of jurisdiction or cause at the initial hearings or it might be straight out dismissed once filed. Grant there are legal questions at hand like whether this discrimination warrants injury to bring a suit or not and whether or not any court in America holds jurisdiction over this sort of international suit.

I think we'd be able to bring SE as an international firm under US Fed Crt Juris. by providing that they're a part of commerce to an extent that they're everywhere so I think that's passable. That said... I /still/ find it tenuous at best that there's any actionable claim.

Ok we suffered harm and the JPs were allowed to cheat and we weren't. But only a incredibly small handfew of NA players were actually punished in a viable manner (bans/suspensions) and I doubt any court will find sufficient harm to warrant a claim.

The problem is not only does there have to be an action that can be illegal that action also has to cause your pain. Unfortunately technically speaking the GMs are right. As NAs we don't get a 'get out of jail free card' because 'they did it first, and the GMs didn't do anything.' Those of you that caused Faf to flail did carry out actions that were grief tactics, and while they're justified as we all know, I don't think it would hold up over the ToS and the law.

Now assuming both of those are no problem. That there's clear evidence of illegal punishable discrimination within the GM community for FFXI you'd then have to find a lawyer willing and able to do the work necessary to file such a lawsuit. ID Class. Interview in person everyone that wishes to be a part of the class. Notify everyone that could be a part of it. Discovery would be pretty touchy but if we could get to that point then we might find dirt in the PCs the GMs use in San Diego (i think they're there) ok... getting ahead of myself. Long story short no lawyer is going to front the hundreds of thousands of dollars needed to get the prework done before the case can even be filed, and even if they did the settlement figures wouldn't amount to enough to pay those costs.

Gonna stop before I babble more >.>

[sirhansirhan]

class-action lawsuits are also notoriously lengthy. expect one to take at least a year to get settled if you're fortunate (unfortunately, that's being quite generous).

[vas]

class-action lawsuits are also notoriously lengthy. expect one to take at least a year to get settled if you're fortunate (unfortunately, that's being quite generous).

It would probably take 6 months just to identified the injuried parties and define the class. lol

[Justice]

anyone know the number for Al Sharpton?

or maybe, if we get desperate Jack Thompson....

Why did johnny cochran have to die /cry/

Sorry thought i would interject some lame humor