Anyone post about Kupo 18 man Jorm??

[Zigrah]

Nobody ever plays this game for fun anymore? Or is fighting him not that much fun?

You kinda hit the nail on the head there or however that figure of speech goes. Most people I talk to don't play this game for fun anymore in a lot of senses I find. Sure there's the odd fun but everything is so routine and this game basically grinds that mentality into you. Melee on a wyrm makes it harder, but that's a "gimp strat" and widely frowned upon by almost everyone. I remmeber times where my linkshell wouldn't be motivated to try something solely because we lacked "true DD" and were melee heavy... even though it would have been very possible to succeed.

A lot of elitist crap gets posted on this boards though too, "Linkshell B, is taking down this mob with 30 people... haha they suck". Who freakin cares, as long as they kill it or have fun trying to. I got patronized once on this forum for saying my linkshell was killing Jorm before Nidhogg because all we cared about was the challenge and to say we could do it, when people always loom over your head that saying you think you can kill something and actually killing something are different. To me the challenge was the fight, but people only want the good drops it seems. Even within my own linkshell once we proved we could kill it, we couldn't motivate anyone to kill it a second time because the drops were no good. Even though a bunch of people might have just wanted the title and nothing more.

The game does it to you though, you kill something once it's not that fun to do it again and I believe it's because most fights are very similar in nature and lumped into one very simple strategy when you bring it down to it's core. So much that if said strategy doesn't work first try people just assume a mob is broken.

I'm not saying AV isn't broken because I'm not sure, but there were a lot of people who weren't even there, so fervant in their belief that a mob must be broken and that there could be no additional method to killing it... it was almost laughable. Laughable that the game has beaten this into or brain and not the people themselves.

Eventually we all revert to this elitism and seem to forget that games are supposed to be fun. So we create circumstances of false fun, like obtaining all the best gear and lording our superiority over people. I mean what else is there to do? fish? haha nobody with a brain does fishing, hence any update related to fishing is a waste of resources =p.

I seriously think sometimes that most MMO players stop having fun but continue to play for the progression element and nothing more. Most don't even realize they aren't having fun until months later and then they quit. I think I'm guilty of this at times too, sometimes I have to stop myself and say... "Why am I leveling bard? For merits for my thief that nobody wants to party with max merits or not. Do I enjoy Bard? Not as much as thief. Will I be more useful in HNM? Yes, but will I enjoy it? probably not... so why bother? Because there's nothing else to do." This is my FFXI state right now, I am in a state of flux and have finally realized I haven't had fun for awhile... and i think Elitism is killing the game for me, other people's and my own. I am elitist at times and even believe sometimes that only half the jobs have a purpose. Even so, with all this clear in my mind I can't quite bring myself to quit yet. I know I'm not having fun, but I can't quit... something is seriously wrong with that and I know I am probably not alone feeling this.

(I do have fun when I play, and I have great friends in game. As a whole, with everything in perspective I don't have fun... that's what I mean. If the whole game was torture in every way I don't think I would have a problem leaving)

[Septimus]

For the most part, end game and fun are mutually exclusive. What's more fun, goofing around with your friends or sitting in Dragon's Aery for 3 hours then not getting the claim? What's more fun, making a lot of money or fighting Tiamat for 2 hours and only getting a fire crystal?

[Sidd]

For the most part, end game and fun are mutually exclusive. What's more fun, goofing around with your friends or sitting in Dragon's Aery for 3 hours then not getting the claim? What's more fun, making a lot of money or fighting Tiamat for 2 hours and only getting a fire crystal?

fire crystals are worth like 10k / stack here... thats a shitload of money.






someone shit on the coats.

[Septimus]

For the most part, end game and fun are mutually exclusive. What's more fun, goofing around with your friends or sitting in Dragon's Aery for 3 hours then not getting the claim? What's more fun, making a lot of money or fighting Tiamat for 2 hours and only getting a fire crystal?

fire crystals are worth like 10k / stack here... thats a shitload of money.






someone shit on the coats.

If she dropped Inferno Crystals, I'm sure Tiamat would be camped like Fafnir and Nidhogg.

[Sidd]

For the most part, end game and fun are mutually exclusive. What's more fun, goofing around with your friends or sitting in Dragon's Aery for 3 hours then not getting the claim? What's more fun, making a lot of money or fighting Tiamat for 2 hours and only getting a fire crystal?

fire crystals are worth like 10k / stack here... thats a shitload of money.






someone shit on the coats.

If she dropped Inferno Crystals, I'm sure Tiamat would be camped like Fafnir and Nidhogg.

touche.

[Not Kuno]

XD at HNMs droping HQ crystals. Thats just retarded enough to be implimented.

[Septimus]

XD at HNMs droping HQ crystals. Thats just retarded enough to be implimented.

It would still be better than HNM dropping NQ crystals. >_<

(Or nothing what so ever.)

[Palin]

SE Guy #1: Hmm, lets have it so these new mobs don't drop any loot at times, that way all these people will still be going after them for their gear until our next expansion!

SE Guy #2: Not only that, lets make the gear worse than what we introduced a few years ago so that people still go after the HNMs we intentionally made to drop the best stuff, but only pop once a week!

SE Guy #1: Thats great, this should keep them playing at least for another year. Then when the expac comes out, we can do it all again. God i love this job.

SE Guy #2: Haha ya, so, guess we're done here, see you in 6 months?

SE Guy #1: Yep, see you then!

Such blatant and obviously intentional timesinks.

[Tanthalas]

SE Guy #1: Hmm, lets have it so these new mobs don't drop any loot at times, that way all these people will still be going after them for their gear until our next expansion!

SE Guy #2: Not only that, lets make the gear worse than what we introduced a few years ago so that people still go after the HNMs we intentionally made to drop the best stuff, but only pop once a week!

SE Guy #1: Thats great, this should keep them playing at least for another year. Then when the expac comes out, we can do it all again. God i love this job.

SE Guy #2: Haha ya, so, guess we're done here, see you in 6 months?

SE Guy #1: Yep, see you then!

Such blatant and obviously intentional timesinks.

Yet we keep playing....

[Marcatil]

This reminds me of a quote:

"On the outskirts of every agony, sits some observent fellow who points" - Virigina Woolfe

Sue me if I got the name partially wrong, been awhile since I used it :D

[Khamsin]

Bah, party poopers. Let them flex their e-penis. Stuff like this is viagra for a repetitive endgame's e-ED. Guaranteed to work for up to 36 hours, or 5 pages.

It is stunnable, you just have to have a damn good stunner. The spell is almost instant unlike Timmy's Firaga so you need to have a dedicated stunner watching for it at all times pretty much. Unforetunately ours was on 56k and we ate it a couple times, but at one point he (stunner) got it almost every single time it went off and it was <3

Was Zuthy your DRK/stunner? I think I remember one of you saying he was particularly good at that.

[Jaysensen]

I thought logging into a mule reset your hate.

[Lbelle]

Was Zuthy your DRK/stunner? I think I remember one of you saying he was particularly good at that.

Zuth was playing Ammon's char because Ammon had to leave halfway through. Zhila was our stunner : RDM/DRK

[derzoll]

Well.. just to answer PLD question a bit more. PLD/NIN is awesome on flying wyrms. When it's in the air you swap to double ballads so they get 6MP/tick. This allow for some serious Cure IV spam which tags it between the PLD's. We also use a NIN/WHM for Divine Seal Curaga 2 on tank PT which keeps him pretty much on par with the PLD's if played right.

[Septimus]

SE Guy #1: Hmm, lets have it so these new mobs don't drop any loot at times, that way all these people will still be going after them for their gear until our next expansion!

SE Guy #2: Not only that, lets make the gear worse than what we introduced a few years ago so that people still go after the HNMs we intentionally made to drop the best stuff, but only pop once a week!

SE Guy #1: Thats great, this should keep them playing at least for another year. Then when the expac comes out, we can do it all again. God i love this job.

SE Guy #2: Haha ya, so, guess we're done here, see you in 6 months?

SE Guy #1: Yep, see you then!

Such blatant and obviously intentional timesinks.

Yet we keep playing....

To paraphrase the late Rick James, "Final Fantasy XI is a hell of a drug".

[Zhila]

IUnforetunately ours was on 56k and we ate it a couple times, but at one point he (stunner) got it almost every single time it went off and it was <3

We could have probably shaved a good 30 mins off if my connection didn't start crapping out. It got worse after I logged to reset hate for the first time, and couldn't get back in for about 5 mins because of POL errors.

It hurt a lot when Jorm would do Roar->Roar->Wing combos during frenzy already. On top of that, I was almost seeing "Jorm starts casting Blizzaga IV" right as he finished casting, and couldn't really do much except stun late to let us recover a bit (curaga, etc).

We still pulled through though

[Baltasar]

Ninja intended to be a DD job and its still is however you can solo good you can do certain HNM but Paladin > all

Ninja with enmity sucks my experience in kupo over 1year of tanking sky gods,wyrms sea nms well basically everything in the game you put a ninja to tank? Enmity is only for Kiting NOTHING else if you're a ninja go DD gear.

I tank Fafnir in DD gear all the time with berserk up I keep hate oh well I sure to loose hate to MB from BLM but I get it back after 1Provoke + 2-3Swings so they necessarly don't ever die. A warrior do the same thing DD gear on Fafnir is the best way to tank him. PPL using PLD might be the "cleanest" way to defeat him or any other Wyrm for that matter since it actually allows you to SA, but I'd suggest ppl who dont use Ninja or Warrior to do so beacuse its a faster fight (this considering Fafnir).

[Lockecole]

someone shit on the coats.

"I think someone may have shit on or around the coat area...there's a smell of shit around the perimeter...the vicinity of coats. LEADING me to believe someone has shit."

<3 Dane Cook.

[Sidd]

someone shit on the coats.

"I think someone may have shit on or around the coat area...there's a smell of shit around the perimeter...the vicinity of coats. LEADING me to believe someone has shit."

<3 Dane Cook.

INDEED. dane cook would like jailer of Justice.

[Palin]

SE Guy #1: Hmm, lets have it so these new mobs don't drop any loot at times, that way all these people will still be going after them for their gear until our next expansion!

SE Guy #2: Not only that, lets make the gear worse than what we introduced a few years ago so that people still go after the HNMs we intentionally made to drop the best stuff, but only pop once a week!

SE Guy #1: Thats great, this should keep them playing at least for another year. Then when the expac comes out, we can do it all again. God i love this job.

SE Guy #2: Haha ya, so, guess we're done here, see you in 6 months?

SE Guy #1: Yep, see you then!

Such blatant and obviously intentional timesinks.

To further prove my previous point, results of today's Tiamat.


Ftw.