RMT Countermeasures o_O

[divisortheory]

Ok, I've got beastcoin.

Steal.

Now I've got 2.

Steal, Steal.

Now I've got 4.

Steal, Steal, Steal, Steal.

Now I've got 8.

See where this is going?

It's a silly terminology debate which is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand since even if you don't want to call it duping, it's exactly as bad.

[Matricide]

you're missing my point. being able to duplicate any item in the game on a whim is a lot worse than exploiting your job abilities or job reset. hell you could do that with the on the fly job change hack that was around before. if it was a true dupe hack the economy/game would break in days, and call for a rollback (for a serious mmorpg anyway), this has happened in other mmorpgs.

you may think it's just a technicality on words but it's not. duping is far worse than exploiting job abilities timers

[NynJa]

You just proved my point, if there's something resetting JA that's illicit, that's NOT duping. duping is taking what's there, and creating an exact copy of it. having hide/steal/reset timers reset is not the same as duping. like i said, if it was duping there'd be a rollback, and deleting 300 billion gil is not a rollback.

So let's say you steal a gold beastcoin, then use a hack so that you can immediately steal another gold beastcoin from the same mob. You wouldn't call that a duping hack? It's a "hack", that involves repeated creation of the same item over and over, otherwise known as "duping". We can get in a terminology argument all you want, but my point remains perfectly valid regardless of how you want to label such a hack.

Damn, they should just remove steal, since that's duping items that are allready in the game.
Why not make it so there can only be one Venomous Claw on the server at any time, because if theres 2, its got to be a dupe.

Duping means CREATING A COPY. Stealing a NEW coin is NOT a copy.

Ok, I've got beastcoin.

Steal.

Now I've got 2.

Steal, Steal.

Now I've got 4.

Steal, Steal, Steal, Steal.

Now I've got 8.

See where this is going?

It's a silly terminology debate which is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand since even if you don't want to call it duping, it's exactly as bad.

I kill one Serket, I've got one Venomous Claw.
I kill another Serket, I've got 2 Venomous Claws.
I kill 2 more Serkets, I've got four.
Kill, Kill, Kill, Kill.
Now I've got 8.
See where this is going?
(YOUR LOGIC IS SO FUCKING BROKEN. Once again, do you play FFXI ?)



and if these faggots wanted to dupe shit, they would have made soooooooo much more money duping dynamis currency, I'm certain they know this considering gilsellers do dynamis. Yet, dynamis currency is still very rare to find on the streets.

[nsx]

Stealing gold coins endlessly, while it would make YOU rich, would have no effect on inflation. NO NEW GIL would be introduced into the system, its just passed from players(goldsmiths) to other players(the ones stealing the coins) thus no inflation. Just alot more goldsmithing material in the system. And rich thieves.

Only duping gil that DID NOT EXIST before in the system is going to cause the exponential inflation that ffxi has seen the last few months.

No amount of farming Serket/Cassie/Roc/Simurgh/Sky etc. by gilsellers is going to create gil. It creates items which unless sold to npcs don't add gil to the system. Gilsellers just move gil around. They don't create it anymore than you and I do. Gilsellers don't cause inflation and never have.
Gilsellers are technically no different than other LS at camp except that they don't play by our 'rules' and will ruthlessly mpk/bot/cheat w/e without remorse.

SE fixed this dupe hack and removed the accounts that duped gil. This is the same as when they came down on the folks who exploited the thing when CoP first came out to buy Barone Armor and sell it back to the NPC for more than they bought it for. That was a gil dupe exploit and SE comes down on such things. As is evident by this update/announcement.

[layoneil]

No amount of farming Serket/Cassie/Roc/Simurgh/Sky etc. by gilsellers is going to create gil. It creates items which unless sold to npcs don't add gil to the system. Gilsellers just move gil around. They don't create it anymore than you and I do. Gilsellers don't cause inflation and never have.
Gilsellers are technically no different than other LS at camp except that they don't play by our 'rules' and will ruthlessly mpk/bot/cheat w/e without remorse.

mostly true, with the exception that they monopolize certain markets and hoard items to elevate the prices artificially.

real players do that also but they are less capable of doing it consistently and for an extended period of time.

[divisortheory]

lol you people are hopeless. someone uses the words "dupe hack" and all of a sudden you assume that it means a hack that can create a copy of any item in game. Talk about flawed logic. You say they could have made more money duping dynamis currency? Obviously their hack didn't work for dynamis currency! duh.. Kill 2 serkets and kill 2 v. claws? obviously their hack didn't allow them to kill serket every 5 seconds! duh... what it did allow them do, is steal gold beastcoins constantly and automatically. Once again, what you want to call it is completely irrelevant and meaningless, because it's still exactly as bad as your liminted definition of duping.

(btw, I just found a hack that lets me dupe haubergeons. obviously it's not a dupe hack though, since it doesn't allow me to dupe dynamis currency)

[nsx]

No amount of farming Serket/Cassie/Roc/Simurgh/Sky etc. by gilsellers is going to create gil. It creates items which unless sold to npcs don't add gil to the system. Gilsellers just move gil around. They don't create it anymore than you and I do. Gilsellers don't cause inflation and never have.
Gilsellers are technically no different than other LS at camp except that they don't play by our 'rules' and will ruthlessly mpk/bot/cheat w/e without remorse.

mostly true, with the exception that they monopolize certain markets and hoard items to elevate the prices artificially.

real players do that also but they are less capable of doing it consistently and for an extended period of time.

This has no effect on money entering the system though. Thus no effect on the economy.

Its ppls own fault for paying 20 mil for a serket ring. They buy the gil from the same ppl who sell them the ring, giving it right back to them.

On midgard, nobody bothers to even show up to most jeuno HNMs anymore. Ppl are too lazy and just buy gil now instead of camping/farming.

[divisortheory]

Stealing gold coins endlessly, while it would make YOU rich, would have no effect on inflation. NO NEW GIL would be introduced into the system, its just passed from players(goldsmiths) to other players(the ones stealing the coins) thus no inflation. Just alot more goldsmithing material in the system. And rich thieves.

Unless they deemed that with the quantity of gold beastcoins they were obtaining, it was more profitable to NPC them than to wait for them to sell on the AH

[Zigrah]

Oh well, let the mass undercuttings commence... I was there in the crash of 943 or whatever year it is in ffxi.

[Septimus]

Oh well, let the mass undercuttings commence... I was there in the crash of 943 or whatever year it is in ffxi.

As long as I can buy a Peacock Chram I'll be happy. ;_;

[Matricide]

lol you people are hopeless. someone uses the words "dupe hack" and all of a sudden you assume that it means a hack that can create a copy of any item in game. Talk about flawed logic. You say they could have made more money duping dynamis currency? Obviously their hack didn't work for dynamis currency! duh.. Kill 2 serkets and kill 2 v. claws? obviously their hack didn't allow them to kill serket every 5 seconds! duh... what it did allow them do, is steal gold beastcoins constantly and automatically. Once again, what you want to call it is completely irrelevant and meaningless, because it's still exactly as bad as your liminted definition of duping.

(btw, I just found a hack that lets me dupe haubergeons. obviously it's not a dupe hack though, since it doesn't allow me to dupe dynamis currency)

you can laugh about it all you want but a 'dupe hack' is a very clearly defined type of hack. creating a copy of any item or gil is EXACTLY what it is, and nothing else. it's absolutly meaningful and relevant when you're labeling what did or didn't happen. let's move on shall we?

[layoneil]

Ok, I've got beastcoin.

Steal.

Now I've got 2.

Steal, Steal.

Now I've got 4.

Dupe = Duplication. a Dupe Hack would get you 4 after 1 more Steal not 2.

a Dupe Hack, Duplicates items while doing the same action. if you have to duplicate the action to get duplicate rewards, you're not really duping.

2/2 = 1.

it's an exploit but it's not a duplication exploit.

This has no effect on money entering the system though. Thus no effect on the economy.

just because there was no money entering the system doesn't mean it has no affect on the economy.

inflating a specific part of the economy while leaving other parts unchanged affects the economy. it's not as bad as pumping actual gil into the game but it does affect people.

[NynJa]

lol you people are hopeless. someone uses the words "dupe hack" and all of a sudden you assume that it means a hack that can create a copy of any item in game. Talk about flawed logic. You say they could have made more money duping dynamis currency? Obviously their hack didn't work for dynamis currency! duh.. Kill 2 serkets and kill 2 v. claws? obviously their hack didn't allow them to kill serket every 5 seconds! duh... what it did allow them do, is steal gold beastcoins constantly and automatically. Once again, what you want to call it is completely irrelevant and meaningless, because it's still exactly as bad as your liminted definition of duping.

(btw, I just found a hack that lets me dupe haubergeons. obviously it's not a dupe hack though, since it doesn't allow me to dupe dynamis currency)

holy shit I wonder why.
Lets see, Dupe is derived from the word "Duplicate", so lets go find out what "Duplicate" means:
du·pli·cate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dpl-kt, dy-)
adj.
Identically copied from an original.
Existing or growing in two corresponding parts; double.
Denoting a manner of play in cards in which partnerships or teams play the same deals and compare scores at the end: duplicate bridge.

n.
An identical copy; a facsimile.
One that corresponds exactly to another, especially an original.
Games. A card game in which partnerships or teams play the same deals and compare scores at the end.


Duping is to create a carbon copy of another item.

If you can dupe a fucking venomous claw, you can dupe a god damn L.Jadeshell, and I can assure you the Jadeshell will sell MUCH faster than the Venomous Claw.

[Lylie]

Oh well, let the mass undercuttings commence... I was there in the crash of 943 or whatever year it is in ffxi.

QFT.

BUT, I want to buy a Water Staff for my RDM, and it went from 400k to 600k in 1 day... Wtf is wrong...

[divisortheory]

If you can dupe a fucking venomous claw, you can dupe a god damn L.Jadeshell, and I can assure you the Jadeshell will sell MUCH faster than the Venomous Claw.

Just like in EQ2 where there was a dupe hack that allowed you to dupe furniture, but not other types of items, right?

Also, it must have slipped my mind that two haubergeons are always identical, regardless of how they are obtained.

[Genosync]

it's an exploit but it's not a duplication exploit.

now all of you can stop fucking arguing about it and start doing something useful with your time.

[realraiko]

I sold 13 million worth of ele beads 3 days ago, now none will sell at all lol, the market is flooded and prices are dropping. It sucks ass.

Btw if any lvl100 Woodworkers on Remora are making staves tell me so i can make your beads for skill

[divisortheory]

it's an exploit but it's not a duplication exploit.

now all of you can stop fucking arguing about it and start doing something useful with your time.

lol i said a long time ago that it didn't matter what anyone called it cuz it's exactly as bad as a dupe hack

[NynJa]

This has no effect on money entering the system though. Thus no effect on the economy.

just because there was no money entering the system doesn't mean it has no affect on the economy.

inflating a specific part of the economy while leaving other parts unchanged affects the economy. it's not as bad as pumping actual gil into the game but it does affect people.

Wheres that old post about bill gates and donald trump unleashing their stored up gil into the economy ??
I think I found the thread, just trying to find the quote.

It's like this with all the servers. Imagine if Bill Gates and Donald Trump took all their assets and turned them into cash and introduced it into our economy. The value of our dollar would be worth less since there is a massive introduction of that same currency that normally isn't there.

Now, let's take IGE, EBay etc. They are Bill Gates and Donal Trump. Now, all the gil that was in their vaults are being released into each server unsuspectingly thus creating the massive inflation you see. Yes you can say 'but the gil was always there', it always was. The difference is it was stored and built up, not constanly flowing in our economy. SE's lack of preventing RMT created a giant bubble that just bursted in every server. If that gil was always flowing through the server, prices wouldn't be as bad.

[nsx]

Stealing gold coins endlessly, while it would make YOU rich, would have no effect on inflation. NO NEW GIL would be introduced into the system, its just passed from players(goldsmiths) to other players(the ones stealing the coins) thus no inflation. Just alot more goldsmithing material in the system. And rich thieves.

Unless they deemed that with the quantity of gold beastcoins they were obtaining, it was more profitable to NPC them than to wait for them to sell on the AH

Exactly. And at this point SE catches it (whatever the dupe was) and removes 300 billion from the system.