RMT Countermeasures o_O

[Flarega]

Dupe hackz!!!

No way lolz.

Ya

NOEZ!

Why do you care about something so retardedly petty?

[Jawas]

You people are crazy.

SE does something and people say it isnt enough.

Price start to drop and people bitch.

People get upset when SE doesnt come out and say 100% of what they are doing to stop gillsellers.


WAKE UP. 1st off, I know a lot of people who crafted a lot of money and keep gill on mules. No RMTers, they actually earned it. Now if SE just did a half ass job and banned your friend for sending 100k of gill to a mule, would you be happy? Would your friend be happy?

SE is a business, and they have to do thigs a certain way or they will get fucking sued. They will bann incorrect accounts. The fact that they are trying maybe a little late, but at least they are doing something. Also, they cant say what the fuck they are doing, cause I am sure IGE reads playonline. They have to keep shit secert in order to keep banning accounts that are mules for gill. The fact that they removed so much gill from the system is a huge step in the right direction.

Are the gill farmers gone, and they are the hardest to remove. To be honest, I am sure the gillfarmers will be more active now, since so much was removed from IGE mules. But again, you cant always tell ths difference between a gill mule for IGE and a gill mule of a rich player. Also, you cant always tell the difference between an LS that camps NMs and gill farmers. 2 years ago, my LS IRON got rich by camping NMs almost 24/7 before we got sky, were we gill farmers? In a way we were, but we werent selling it to IGE, we actually were using the gill in game.


So just relax and hope the prices correct themselves to a more normal rate. I swear people bitch when prices go up and not people bitch that they are dropping?

[Raineer]

I still don't understand why gold coins was a "dupe"... When gold coins were sold on the AH and bought with pre-existing gil for like 40k a piece, how did this generate gil? You can dupe all the items you want but you're not creating any sort of inflation, actually if I duped 50 SH's I promise you that will deflate the economy.

I've never tried to NPC a gold coin but I doubt it's 40k...

[NynJa]

Is it really that hard to identify a gilseller ??

I could train a monkey to identify gilsellers...

[layoneil]

Is it really that hard to identify a gilseller ??

I could train a monkey to identify gilsellers...

no, but how do you identify an LS bank mule from an IGE bank mule?

[Jawas]

Is it really that hard to identify a gilseller ??

I could train a monkey to identify gilsellers...

Do we all know the gill sellers on on OUR Servers, yes. Why is that? Cause most of us play way too fucking much. 2 LS's camp Timat on Bismarck, couldnt we thought of as a high level gill server group by someone who doesnt play the game. How about an LS that camps Behemoth everyday? Come on, yes we all know the groups on our own servers, or we think we do. But someone who hasnt played this game, hired by SE to identify Gill Farmers will get the wrong people banned. You know it will happen. And honestly what do gill farmers that is so wrong? Until they send their gill to IGE they do what every other player does.

Now youll say they bot, they MPK, etc. Well players that arent selling to IGE do the same shit.

[Koga]

Thank You SE.

And people who arent happy with what SE did; gtfo.
At least they did something which is more than they have done in the last year.
Any forward movement is a step in the right direction.

[nsx]

I still don't understand why gold coins was a "dupe"... When gold coins were sold on the AH and bought with pre-existing gil for like 40k a piece, how did this generate gil? You can dupe all the items you want but you're not creating any sort of inflation, actually if I duped 50 SH's I promise you that will deflate the economy.

I've never tried to NPC a gold coin but I doubt it's 40k...

People are throwing around the term dupe too loosely. Gold Coins was just a hack. It causes inflation when it gets to the point more $ is made by selling to NPC than AHing it. It may never have gotten to that point but it easily could have.

As far as duping items like SH deflating the economy. All that will do is devalue that item temporarily. Its just moving gil from buyers to you. Not removing anything from the system.

[Khamsin]

They need to offer a little "overtime pay" for a GM on each server to actually play the game on their own time. I'm sure a GM can't play the game effectively, and still be on-call during their work day. But I can't imagine there wouldn't be enough 18 year old San Diego people that wouldn't accept a little extra pay, or hell, even a free subscription, to play the game after hours. They'd probably have to answer GM calls for servers other than their own so the people screaming "bot" and "RMT" dont' start screaming "GM", too. But at least they'd learn way more about what goes on, who is MPKing who, who the gilsellers are, etc. than they do now. Then they can pass off the info to another GM to ignore it in a non-biased fashion.

[Kiro]

Thank You SE.

And people who arent happy with what SE did; gtfo.
At least they did something which is more than they have done in the last year.
Any forward movement is a step in the right direction.

Word~

[NynJa]

Is it really that hard to identify a gilseller ??

I could train a monkey to identify gilsellers...

no, but how do you identify an LS bank mule from an IGE bank mule?

1-buy 2 mil from IGE, 35$ investment. Track where the gil comes from, and check who sends the gil. If the gil sent out from the LS bank mule is sent to a bunch of random people, lv10's and 75's alike from a bunch of random linkshells, its most likely an IGE mule...unless the BlueGartr bank mule constantly sends money out to non-BGers. Also catches a few gilseller accounts in the process.
2-LS Bank mules generally get gil from a small group of people, and only send to a small group of people. This kinda ties into #1, but it involves more log checking, but doesnt require the 35$ investment. If said Bank Mule is sending money out to a bunch of random people of all different levels, flag it up and check up on it closer.
3-IGE seems to only sell in certain increments: 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 20 mil, etc. If said bankmule is constantly making trades for gil ONLY in these amounts, flag it up and check deeper.

That's off the top of my head in 5 minutes while sitting in class. I'm sure if I brainstormed properly, I could come up with better methods.

[Razz]

They need to offer a little "overtime pay" for a GM on each server to actually play the game on their own time. I'm sure a GM can't play the game effectively, and still be on-call during their work day. But I can't imagine there wouldn't be enough 18 year old San Diego people that wouldn't accept a little extra pay, or hell, even a free subscription, to play the game after hours. They'd probably have to answer GM calls for servers other than their own so the people screaming "bot" and "RMT" dont' start screaming "GM", too. But at least they'd learn way more about what goes on, who is MPKing who, who the gilsellers are, etc. than they do now. Then they can pass off the info to another GM to ignore it in a non-biased fashion.

No, they need to hire me as a senior GM with some nazi powers. Then this game will improve immensely. I fucking guarantee that.

[SephYuyX]

Ill care when I see items back to their original pre-inflation prices (or atleast close)

[Raineer]

Is it really that hard to identify a gilseller ??

I could train a monkey to identify gilsellers...

no, but how do you identify an LS bank mule from an IGE bank mule?

Most LS mules aren't named lqaefutyewih

[NynJa]

Is it really that hard to identify a gilseller ??

I could train a monkey to identify gilsellers...

Do we all know the gill sellers on on OUR Servers, yes. Why is that? Cause most of us play way too fucking much. 2 LS's camp Timat on Bismarck, couldnt we thought of as a high level gill server group by someone who doesnt play the game. How about an LS that camps Behemoth everyday? Come on, yes we all know the groups on our own servers, or we think we do. But someone who hasnt played this game, hired by SE to identify Gill Farmers will get the wrong people banned. You know it will happen. And honestly what do gill farmers that is so wrong? Until they send their gill to IGE they do what every other player does.

Now youll say they bot, they MPK, etc. Well players that arent selling to IGE do the same shit.

Really ??
Then maybe SE can get the GM's to learn the world they're trying to keep regulated. You cant police a city if you dont know the city.

[Koga]

Is it really that hard to identify a gilseller ??

I could train a monkey to identify gilsellers...

Do we all know the gill sellers on on OUR Servers, yes. Why is that? Cause most of us play way too fucking much. 2 LS's camp Timat on Bismarck, couldnt we thought of as a high level gill server group by someone who doesnt play the game. How about an LS that camps Behemoth everyday? Come on, yes we all know the groups on our own servers, or we think we do. But someone who hasnt played this game, hired by SE to identify Gill Farmers will get the wrong people banned. You know it will happen. And honestly what do gill farmers that is so wrong? Until they send their gill to IGE they do what every other player does.

Now youll say they bot, they MPK, etc. Well players that arent selling to IGE do the same shit.

Really ??
Then maybe SE can get the GM's to learn the world they're trying to keep regulated. You cant police a city if you dont know the city.

I am pretty sure that the SE JP GM's did the banning as the NA GM's are hired by SoE.
SoE associates can ban people one at a time but only after observing an offense. SE GM's (JP GM) can investigate/research/etc etc etc since they work with the game and more than likely play it too.. Its still the #1 MMO in Japan.

[Jawas]

Is it really that hard to identify a gilseller ??

I could train a monkey to identify gilsellers...

no, but how do you identify an LS bank mule from an IGE bank mule?

1-buy 2 mil from IGE, 35$ investment. Track where the gil comes from, and check who sends the gil. If the gil sent out from the LS bank mule is sent to a bunch of random people, lv10's and 75's alike from a bunch of random linkshells, its most likely an IGE mule...unless the BlueGartr bank mule constantly sends money out to non-BGers. Also catches a few gilseller accounts in the process.
2-LS Bank mules generally get gil from a small group of people, and only send to a small group of people. This kinda ties into #1, but it involves more log checking, but doesnt require the 35$ investment. If said Bank Mule is sending money out to a bunch of random people of all different levels, flag it up and check up on it closer.
3-IGE seems to only sell in certain increments: 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 20 mil, etc. If said bankmule is constantly making trades for gil ONLY in these amounts, flag it up and check deeper.

That's off the top of my head in 5 minutes while sitting in class. I'm sure if I brainstormed properly, I could come up with better methods.

1st off I am not going to talk about how our LS handles it bank for security reasons.

I am pretty sure IGE has a network of mules to handle the money. If they are dumb. I am sure the mule that sends out the money to RMTers most likely doesnt take money from gill farmers.

Maybe the stuff in the countermeasures patch will help them track stuff like this. Maybe SE should have thought ahead and developed this before they released the game but oh well. The problem is when you ban an account you better have your facts in order. If your banning 700 accounts, from a network that works together, you could have a class action lawsuit, if you dont have the right facts.

If they did it half ass, they: A. Would get the wrong people banned, B Be open to a lawsuit, that could take the game away from everyone.

Be mad that they prevent this back in 2002, dont be mad when they try to fix it now.

[Jawas]

Is it really that hard to identify a gilseller ??

I could train a monkey to identify gilsellers...

Do we all know the gill sellers on on OUR Servers, yes. Why is that? Cause most of us play way too fucking much. 2 LS's camp Timat on Bismarck, couldnt we thought of as a high level gill server group by someone who doesnt play the game. How about an LS that camps Behemoth everyday? Come on, yes we all know the groups on our own servers, or we think we do. But someone who hasnt played this game, hired by SE to identify Gill Farmers will get the wrong people banned. You know it will happen. And honestly what do gill farmers that is so wrong? Until they send their gill to IGE they do what every other player does.

Now youll say they bot, they MPK, etc. Well players that arent selling to IGE do the same shit.

Really ??
Then maybe SE can get the GM's to learn the world they're trying to keep regulated. You cant police a city if you dont know the city.

You give the GMs way too much credit, now I ask you do you play the game, have you had to deal with a GM. I remember I got stuck in a pond once. Once the GM showed up, I had to wait for the GM to do "research" to see if another GM put me there, cause maybe I did something wrong.

You want people like this to have more power? GMs that SOE hires in San Diego, arent the GM in Japan that work in the same building as the Dev team. The NA GMs are the worse possible people to deal with in this game. If NA GMs could ban people, for being suspect of being a gill farmer I am sure a lot of us would be gone by now, for farming Tiger Fangs when we were level 50.

[Koga]

News Flash!

NA GM'S ARENT HIRED BY SE! BLAME THE SHITTY GM'S ON SOE!
JP GM'S ARE THE ONLY GM'S HIRED BY SE!

[Septimus]

Is it really that hard to identify a gilseller ??

I could train a monkey to identify gilsellers...

no, but how do you identify an LS bank mule from an IGE bank mule?

1-buy 2 mil from IGE, 35$ investment. Track where the gil comes from, and check who sends the gil. If the gil sent out from the LS bank mule is sent to a bunch of random people, lv10's and 75's alike from a bunch of random linkshells, its most likely an IGE mule...unless the BlueGartr bank mule constantly sends money out to non-BGers. Also catches a few gilseller accounts in the process.
2-LS Bank mules generally get gil from a small group of people, and only send to a small group of people. This kinda ties into #1, but it involves more log checking, but doesnt require the 35$ investment. If said Bank Mule is sending money out to a bunch of random people of all different levels, flag it up and check up on it closer.
3-IGE seems to only sell in certain increments: 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 20 mil, etc. If said bankmule is constantly making trades for gil ONLY in these amounts, flag it up and check deeper.

That's off the top of my head in 5 minutes while sitting in class. I'm sure if I brainstormed properly, I could come up with better methods.

You wouldn't even have to spend money to do that. Start off with people who have a reputation for being gilfarmers, track where their money goes to. Once you have the accounts that recieve money from the gilfarmers, check back to other accounts that are sending gil and where the gil from those accounts is going to, then see where that gil is going. With a little bit of investigative work it would not be hard to root out RMT.