RMT Countermeasures o_O

[divisortheory]

I still don't understand why gold coins was a "dupe"... When gold coins were sold on the AH and bought with pre-existing gil for like 40k a piece, how did this generate gil? You can dupe all the items you want but you're not creating any sort of inflation, actually if I duped 50 SH's I promise you that will deflate the economy.

I've never tried to NPC a gold coin but I doubt it's 40k...

None of us even know the details of the "exploit", but if it allowed you to say, Steal gold beastcoins 30 times a minute, then you'd have too many to sell anyway, and even if you got 2k a piece for NPCing them you'd make a ton of cash. Let's see, 30 coins per minute x 60 minutes per hour = 1,800 coins per hour. That's 3.6 million gil per hour NPCing them. Again, neither I nor you nor the omnipotent Nynja knows the specific details of the exploit, so all any of us can do is speculate. So yes, if it reset your JA timer and allowed constant stealing of gold beastcoins, even NPCing them for a fraction of the AH would generate ridiculous amounts of "true" inflation.

[Angelsin]

News Flash!

NA GM'S ARENT HIRED BY SE! BLAME THE SHITTY GM'S ON SOE!
JP GM'S ARE THE ONLY GM'S HIRED BY SE!

SOE? As in Sony Online Entertainment? If so why is SE using a outside company to handle their game?

[NynJa]

the money that the gilfarmers farm up gets transfered to the ige mules one way or another...it doesnt just "BEAM ME UP SCOTTY" from one account to the next, without a trace.

[SephYuyX]

Internet: Serious Business

[Koga]

News Flash!

NA GM'S ARENT HIRED BY SE! BLAME THE SHITTY GM'S ON SOE!
JP GM'S ARE THE ONLY GM'S HIRED BY SE!

SOE? As in Sony Online Entertainment? If so why is SE using a outside company to handle their game?

I dunno. Send a letter to Corporate asking them why they cant manage their own game.
Probably the same concept as why you don't set your own wedding up, you hire wedding planners instead.

[Judah]

theres a gm office in san diego california - and it is... NA.. GMs... but.. the hiring process i bet is a joke - seeing if u ask most GMs what job they play, its either something level 30 - or dragoon.

i was going to apply, but they said right now they are looking for ppl who can speak french.....

[SephYuyX]

i was going to apply, but they said right now they are looking for ppl who can speak french.....

So now instead of bitching an Spainards, we look forward to complaing about teh Frenchys?

[Xiona]

i think SE did a good job. they helped make gil prices out of reach for the amount of gil buyers that were in the market. if you make it so gil buyers cant buy, then IGE and companies will have to get rid of some of their accounts as well as fire (or workers will quit because their wage is too low compared to other jobs possibly in their area).

gil sellers may be able to farm more gil items and what not but the value of items is dropping to a point where they need to work say a 72 hour day instead of 24 hour day to make up for loss in profits. lets hope SE continues to monitor gil outputs from suspected gil sellers and keep banninating until its no longer profitable buisiness to even have the accounts vs money you take in from gil buyers.

[Khamsin]

but how do you identify an LS bank mule from an IGE bank mule?

You don't need to. Without gilfarmers, the bank mule has nothing.

And how do you tell the difference between gilfarmers and a legit LS?

The same way anyone on Pandemonium can tell the difference between Welove and just about every other LS. There's even sucky upstart ones from time to time that think it's cool to MPK and kill steal, and people can still tell the difference.

[Jawas]

The point that everyone misses is, we are all GILL FARMERS. It is apart of the game. We farm gill to buy food for exp pts, we farm gill to buy gear. WE ALL FARM GILL. If the"gill farmers" werent at some of these NM pops we would be. The question is why arent we. Why do we just give on certain NM pops and cry on fucking forums about it. You want to claim, than bring more people than the group that is already there.


The problem is the people who buy gill. They support IGE that pays people to sell their gill. Fuck over the people that buy it, cause no matter what someone will farm gill. Someone will claim these NMs everytime.

[Not Kuno]

but how do you identify an LS bank mule from an IGE bank mule?

You don't need to. Without gilfarmers, the bank mule has nothing.

And how do you tell the difference between gilfarmers and a legit LS?

The same way anyone on Pandemonium can tell the difference between Welove and just about every other LS. There's even sucky upstart ones from time to time that think it's cool to MPK and kill steal, and people can still tell the difference.

Take your pick:

Banning gilsellers -> bank still has all the money, flow of RMT isn't immediatly stopped and can probably last until new gilsellers level
Banning IGE mules -> no money left to RMT, gilsellers have to meet a huge demand from scratch

It'll all continue again eventually, but one of those choices get a shitton of ill-gained gil from the system.

[Russta]

I'm glad Square finally stepped in and did something, it's just a shame it had to get into this post-Christmas state before they acted.

[Jawas]

but how do you identify an LS bank mule from an IGE bank mule?

You don't need to. Without gilfarmers, the bank mule has nothing.

And how do you tell the difference between gilfarmers and a legit LS?

The same way anyone on Pandemonium can tell the difference between Welove and just about every other LS. There's even sucky upstart ones from time to time that think it's cool to MPK and kill steal, and people can still tell the difference.

Take your pick:

Banning gilsellers -> bank still has all the money, flow of RMT isn't immediatly stopped and can probably last until new gilsellers level
Banning IGE mules -> no money left to RMT, gilsellers have to meet a huge demand from scratch

It'll all continue again eventually, but one of those choices get a shitton of ill-gained gil from the system.

Ban the RMTers, No one to buy gill, no one to pay the gill famers problem solved.

[Xiona]

if they remove enough gil from IGE mules and other gil selling companies they can in a sense put them out of the ffxi business. if noone is buying gil from them due to steep prices then they go from gaining profit, to losing it and have to start paying for the hundreds of accounts out of pocket as well as gil farmers. so long as SE keeps removing their gil banks and a few farming accounts, the company may decide to cut their losses.

[Khamsin]

but how do you identify an LS bank mule from an IGE bank mule?

You don't need to. Without gilfarmers, the bank mule has nothing.

And how do you tell the difference between gilfarmers and a legit LS?

The same way anyone on Pandemonium can tell the difference between Welove and just about every other LS. There's even sucky upstart ones from time to time that think it's cool to MPK and kill steal, and people can still tell the difference.

Take your pick:

Banning gilsellers -> bank still has all the money, flow of RMT isn't immediatly stopped and can probably last until new gilsellers level
Banning IGE mules -> no money left to RMT, gilsellers have to meet a huge demand from scratch

It'll all continue again eventually, but one of those choices get a shitton of ill-gained gil from the system.

Ban the RMTers, No one to buy gill, no one to pay the gill famers problem solved.

I think the point would be to keep the people who play to actually play the game. Ban the gilsellers, and gilbuyers can't buy no matter how much demand there is.

Though to answer Not Kuno, maybe ban both? Your LS bank don't regularly receive gil from IGE gilfarmers, I would hope.

[Angelsin]

The real issue is what Nynja stated already on page 2 - they banned the accounts that HAD the gil, not the accounts that GET the gil.

Did SE do a good job removing 300B gil regardless how it was obtained from gil selling companies like IGE? Damn straight they did. How about the accounts that have sent other non illict gil to them though? Did that happen? Did IGE use their heads to make accounts specifically for illict gil and other gil from the NMs they farm sperately?

When working with computers it's very hard to cover your tracks unless your hacking the server itself. It should be very easy for SE to go back to all the accounts that sent gil to one of those 700 illict accounts and ban them all for being associated.

Or here's a shocker, how about a customer servey (sp?). Why is it sooo hard for SE to ASK the ppl that play about their own game and shit that's wrong with it. I'm 99% sure that if ppl on various servers were asked the question "Can you name all the gil sellers on your server?" SE would get a very consistant list of names. It would be nice for SE to start asking the ppl that play their game how they are doing instead of telling us how they are doing.

And yes I'm saying SE doesn't listen to it's players as much as they should. And yes I am aware that SE has in the past done things to fix things. Anyone remember having R3 for 2-3M on your server? And SE made ENMs to make R3 easier to get. But why/how did R3 ever get that high to begin with? Crazy thought: someone wanted an over priced R3 scroll and didn't have gil and went to IGE to get the gil? Naw what am I thinking. Seems to me though that like 90% of SE's problems can be linked to gil sellers somehow.

People are happy that SE did something FINALLY towards gil sellers. But the fact remains, this exploit or whatever happened less than a month ago and SE still has done nothing about the well known gil sellers that have been around for +2 years. At least that's what I'm still pissed about. Thx for the 300 billion gil deletion, now how about taking care of that small 100+ gil sellers on Siren problem you've been avoiding for the past 2 years (and other servers too). Kthxbai.

[Jawas]

but how do you identify an LS bank mule from an IGE bank mule?

You don't need to. Without gilfarmers, the bank mule has nothing.

And how do you tell the difference between gilfarmers and a legit LS?

The same way anyone on Pandemonium can tell the difference between Welove and just about every other LS. There's even sucky upstart ones from time to time that think it's cool to MPK and kill steal, and people can still tell the difference.

Yeah maybe you can cause you play FFXI so much, would you want to pay say 19.00 per month to offset the coastof having FULL TIME SE people on every server looking for people to ban?

How about an LS that has a Bank mule, and part of their DKP system, they can get 2 million for a certian amount of points. How about when they get wrapped up in a possible IGE bank mule, cause players are having money sent to them in 2 million amounts. Would that be fine, to have 30-50 players loose their LS bank?

[NynJa]

but how do you identify an LS bank mule from an IGE bank mule?

You don't need to. Without gilfarmers, the bank mule has nothing.

And how do you tell the difference between gilfarmers and a legit LS?

The same way anyone on Pandemonium can tell the difference between Welove and just about every other LS. There's even sucky upstart ones from time to time that think it's cool to MPK and kill steal, and people can still tell the difference.

Take your pick:

Banning gilsellers -> bank still has all the money, flow of RMT isn't immediatly stopped and can probably last until new gilsellers level
Banning IGE mules -> no money left to RMT, gilsellers have to meet a huge demand from scratch

It'll all continue again eventually, but one of those choices get a shitton of ill-gained gil from the system.

how about IP banning those accounts ??
What ?? They're going to ban a few legit players ?? BULLSHIT. Legit players dont play in those "gilfarmer factories"...
Then what ?? They get their IP changed, and you nail em again.

[Khamsin]

but how do you identify an LS bank mule from an IGE bank mule?

You don't need to. Without gilfarmers, the bank mule has nothing.

And how do you tell the difference between gilfarmers and a legit LS?

The same way anyone on Pandemonium can tell the difference between Welove and just about every other LS. There's even sucky upstart ones from time to time that think it's cool to MPK and kill steal, and people can still tell the difference.

Yeah maybe you can cause you play FFXI so much, would you want to pay say 19.00 per month to offset the coastof having FULL TIME SE people on every server looking for people to ban?

How about an LS that has a Bank mule, and part of their DKP system, they can get 2 million for a certian amount of points. How about when they get wrapped up in a possible IGE bank mule, cause players are having money sent to them in 2 million amounts. Would that be fine, to have 30-50 players loose their LS bank?

If hiring 30-something people to actually play FFXI in order to be able to tell what's really going on would single-handedly increase subscription fees by 60%, SE has other issues.

[SephYuyX]

how about IP banning those accounts ??
What ?? They're going to ban a few legit players ?? BULLSHIT. Legit players dont play in those "gilfarmer factories"...
Then what ?? They get their IP changed, and you nail em again.

Ban China