Time Mage

[Nirokun!]

Im a 2nd job 75 smn, 1 piece of AF2

[Kemberly]

heh, ever tried war/whm to tank? Fun lol
wait you guys were talking about dmg over all?
even after the gimp date for rng with /war, we can pull some good dmg off on kirin and i normally see mages spells hit for 50-200 w/o ES. and see 60-90 dmg a shot from rngs, and 600-1000 with ws's before update 1400+ws's
wait.... isn’t this the time mages forum?lol

[epigram]

It all depends how you want to quantify dmg.d

Greater Than Alliance Fights:

BLM's have one of the greatest single slot utilities out there for most hnm. It's rather easy to just rotate them through and have them log hate / get mp back and then nuke again.

Your decked out war with ridill has low single slot utility. For ridill to be any use he needs to either have external mobs to gain tp from then sub in, log and then gain tp. Or remain in the alliance for the entire fight.

SMN and MNK also have high utility for single slots, BST pretty much has the absolute worst utility for a single slot.

Single Alliance Fights:

Since BLM aren't stacked they probably will do less damage overall but will definitely rake in dmg when needed, as well as having access to a whm or rdm sub allowing them to self heal.

WAR will do good dmg over the entire fight, but will have little spike dmg. If they don't have a bard in thier pt the use of 1h weapons is a bit limited on some hnm. They also lack any way to heal themselves which is problematic when getting hit with -ga magic or non blink-able AoE.

A BST with a VT or IT pet would probably have the best dmg in a single alliance fight, but the number of situations where this is plausible and won't endanger everyone in your PT is pretty small.

[Maxxthepenguin]

heh ever tryed war/whm to tank? fun lol
wait you guys were talking about dmg over all?
even after the gimpdate for rng with /war we can pull some good dmg off on kirin and i normally see mages spells hit for 50-200 w/o ES. and see 60-90 dmg a shot from rngs and 600-1000 with ws's befor update 1400+ws's
wait.... isnt this the time mages forum?lol

I dont know how long youve lurked here but 2 things:
1. Spelling, punctuation and grammar are your friends... makes your post not look like a wall o' text.
2. Find a non-drama thread that hasn't been derailed. I'll give you a medal.

[Raineer]

About the only play where i've really seen that I would pick a BLM over a pimped-Ridill-WAR is Kirin, since we kite him. I've wanted to straight tank him forever but kiting is easy so I guess that's the way to go.

We have some of the pimpest BLM's and highest enmity tanks on the server (i mention enmity since that is obviously a limiting factor on how much a BLM can damage), and our WARs still outparser them.

...

Second comes support jobs, of which I would contend RDM is higher than BRD since we can heal,refresh,and omg even nuke sorta.

Id like to see the WAR outdamage the BLM without a BRD... BRD is what makes melees good on HNMs... give us a BRD and its amazing what we can do.

Likewise I'd like to see a BLM outdamage a WAR without refresh, pretty hard to rest much MP with all those wings

[Maxxthepenguin]

About the only play where i've really seen that I would pick a BLM over a pimped-Ridill-WAR is Kirin, since we kite him. I've wanted to straight tank him forever but kiting is easy so I guess that's the way to go.

We have some of the pimpest BLM's and highest enmity tanks on the server (i mention enmity since that is obviously a limiting factor on how much a BLM can damage), and our WARs still outparser them.

...

Second comes support jobs, of which I would contend RDM is higher than BRD since we can heal,refresh,and omg even nuke sorta.

Id like to see the WAR outdamage the BLM without a BRD... BRD is what makes melees good on HNMs... give us a BRD and its amazing what we can do.

Likewise I'd like to see a BLM outdamage a WAR without refresh, pretty hard to rest much MP with all those wings

Ballad... yag drinks/melon juices... refresh gear... say what again?

[Raineer]

About the only play where i've really seen that I would pick a BLM over a pimped-Ridill-WAR is Kirin, since we kite him. I've wanted to straight tank him forever but kiting is easy so I guess that's the way to go.

We have some of the pimpest BLM's and highest enmity tanks on the server (i mention enmity since that is obviously a limiting factor on how much a BLM can damage), and our WARs still outparser them.

...

Second comes support jobs, of which I would contend RDM is higher than BRD since we can heal,refresh,and omg even nuke sorta.

Id like to see the WAR outdamage the BLM without a BRD... BRD is what makes melees good on HNMs... give us a BRD and its amazing what we can do.

Likewise I'd like to see a BLM outdamage a WAR without refresh, pretty hard to rest much MP with all those wings

Ballad... yag drinks/melon juices... refresh gear... say what again?

since the discussion is bards i thought you might pickup the intent of what i stated

and yeah, lots of BLM's use yagudo drinks

and since you have trouble reading i said i've never seen a BLM outparser a WAR at a fafnir or nidhogg, nothing I can do about the fact there's no bards in your LS to sing songs for your DD's

[Maxxthepenguin]

About the only play where i've really seen that I would pick a BLM over a pimped-Ridill-WAR is Kirin, since we kite him. I've wanted to straight tank him forever but kiting is easy so I guess that's the way to go.

We have some of the pimpest BLM's and highest enmity tanks on the server (i mention enmity since that is obviously a limiting factor on how much a BLM can damage), and our WARs still outparser them.

...

Second comes support jobs, of which I would contend RDM is higher than BRD since we can heal,refresh,and omg even nuke sorta.

Id like to see the WAR outdamage the BLM without a BRD... BRD is what makes melees good on HNMs... give us a BRD and its amazing what we can do.

Likewise I'd like to see a BLM outdamage a WAR without refresh, pretty hard to rest much MP with all those wings

Ballad... yag drinks/melon juices... refresh gear... say what again?

since the discussion is bards i thought you might pickup the intent of what i stated

and yeah, lots of BLM's use yagudo drinks

Err I was just referring to how you said RDM > BRD... that was all... heh

[NynJa]

Melee really need to accept the fact that they are not meant to put out as much damage as a black mage can.

Alleya <- Monk
Total Fights: 41
Average Damage: 2458.76
Average Percent: 49.31
Average Accuracy: 87.83




Ebtaz <- Black mage
Total Fights: 41
Average Damage: 1378.63
Average Percent: 27.67
Average Accuracy: 0.00

lol

Ok now try that on kirin.

Oh and just to sort out any confusion, I meant that for stuff like sky gods, fafnir, aspid, etc. Ever notice someone using a monk on nidhogg? I certainly haven't.

Aero IV
Kirin takes 89 points of damage.
Aero III
Kirin takes 60 points of damage.
Aeroga III
Kirin takes 103 points of damage



Chi Blast
Kirin takes 1100 points of damage.




I think the mnk won...

[Koga]

I always wanted a monk to go into ballista and 1 shot chi-blast someone.

[NynJa]

About the only play where i've really seen that I would pick a BLM over a pimped-Ridill-WAR is Kirin, since we kite him. I've wanted to straight tank him forever but kiting is easy so I guess that's the way to go.

We have some of the pimpest BLM's and highest enmity tanks on the server (i mention enmity since that is obviously a limiting factor on how much a BLM can damage), and our WARs still outparser them.

...

Second comes support jobs, of which I would contend RDM is higher than BRD since we can heal,refresh,and omg even nuke sorta.

Id like to see the WAR outdamage the BLM without a BRD... BRD is what makes melees good on HNMs... give us a BRD and its amazing what we can do.

Likewise I'd like to see a BLM outdamage a WAR without refresh, pretty hard to rest much MP with all those wings

Ballad... yag drinks/melon juices... refresh gear... say what again?

lol ??
The previous comment was you DONT have a bard, and then you throw in ballad.
Fucking genius.

[Maxxthepenguin]

About the only play where i've really seen that I would pick a BLM over a pimped-Ridill-WAR is Kirin, since we kite him. I've wanted to straight tank him forever but kiting is easy so I guess that's the way to go.

We have some of the pimpest BLM's and highest enmity tanks on the server (i mention enmity since that is obviously a limiting factor on how much a BLM can damage), and our WARs still outparser them.

...

Second comes support jobs, of which I would contend RDM is higher than BRD since we can heal,refresh,and omg even nuke sorta.

Id like to see the WAR outdamage the BLM without a BRD... BRD is what makes melees good on HNMs... give us a BRD and its amazing what we can do.

Likewise I'd like to see a BLM outdamage a WAR without refresh, pretty hard to rest much MP with all those wings

Ballad... yag drinks/melon juices... refresh gear... say what again?

lol ??
The previous comment was you DONT have a bard, and then you throw in ballad.
Fucking genius.

Err I was just referring to how you said RDM > BRD... that was all... heh

[NynJa]

youre an idiot, go back to alla plz

[Maxxthepenguin]

youre an idiot, go back to alla plz

Havent been there in a longass time. You guys just lack reading comprehension and perspective on this game.

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1...usiness6se.jpg

[Raineer]

youre an idiot, go back to alla plz

Havent been there in a longass time. You guys just lack reading comprehension and perspective on this game.

lamest arguement ever

it's a ffxi forum, ffxi is life here

well, ffxi with drama sprinkles

[Maxxthepenguin]

youre an idiot, go back to alla plz

Havent been there in a longass time. You guys just lack reading comprehension and perspective on this game.

lamest arguement ever

it's a ffxi forum, ffxi is life here

i 4gt i sry plz 4gv m3h, m3 nub.

[Kemberly]

youre an idiot, go back to alla plz

Havent been there in a longass time. You guys just lack reading comprehension and perspective on this game.

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1...usiness6se.jpg

I always wanted a monk to go into ballista and 1 shot chi-blast someone.

same

[Kross]

Melee really need to accept the fact that they are not meant to put out as much damage as a black mage can.

Alleya <- Monk
Total Fights: 41
Average Damage: 2458.76
Average Percent: 49.31
Average Accuracy: 87.83




Ebtaz <- Black mage
Total Fights: 41
Average Damage: 1378.63
Average Percent: 27.67
Average Accuracy: 0.00

lol

Ok now try that on kirin.

Oh and just to sort out any confusion, I meant that for stuff like sky gods, fafnir, aspid, etc. Ever notice someone using a monk on nidhogg? I certainly haven't.

Aero IV
Kirin takes 89 points of damage.
Aero III
Kirin takes 60 points of damage.
Aeroga III
Kirin takes 103 points of damage



Chi Blast
Kirin takes 1100 points of damage.




I think the mnk won...

Either your alliance is not Skillchaining, or your BLMs suck at MBing...

[NynJa]

Melee really need to accept the fact that they are not meant to put out as much damage as a black mage can.

Alleya <- Monk
Total Fights: 41
Average Damage: 2458.76
Average Percent: 49.31
Average Accuracy: 87.83




Ebtaz <- Black mage
Total Fights: 41
Average Damage: 1378.63
Average Percent: 27.67
Average Accuracy: 0.00

lol

Ok now try that on kirin.

Oh and just to sort out any confusion, I meant that for stuff like sky gods, fafnir, aspid, etc. Ever notice someone using a monk on nidhogg? I certainly haven't.

Aero IV
Kirin takes 89 points of damage.
Aero III
Kirin takes 60 points of damage.
Aeroga III
Kirin takes 103 points of damage



Chi Blast
Kirin takes 1100 points of damage.




I think the mnk won...

Either your alliance is not Skillchaining, or your BLMs suck at MBing...

That demonstrates a dependance on melee's...which shouldnt exist since BLM's are so overpowered.

[Nirokun!]

Um, blms and mnks on Kirin nowadays? LOL