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    You need to figure out how to use MPh items then. There's this wonderful thing called windower, and it allows you to put 12 gear+ gear changes in the press of one button. As you approach your max MP cap, switch out MPh gear for max MP gear.

    Guess what has more MP on it, a Dalmatica or a Mahatma body? Guess what has more MP on it, a Relaxing earring or Astral earring? Guess what has more MP on it, Pachamac's Collar or Fenrir's Torque/Rep. gold medal? Guess what has more MP on it, Boroka's Earring or Loquacious Earring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    I would prefer Speed Belt over Koga Sarashi. I'm glad they didn't make the AF2 belt 6% or 5%. I like knowing my Speed belt is worth a small fortune .

    While you guys say the belts suck... let's examine them briefly:

    The WHM AF2 belt is the highest MPh belt in the game for WHMs. true

    The RDM AF2 belt is the highest MPh belt in the game for RDMs. Shit, because RDM's never fucking rest. I've never ever seen a RDM resting other than between windows, and even then they dont rest.

    The BLM AF2 belt has the highest +INT belt in the game for BLMs. It also adds +HP for Tarus <_< Penitent blows this piece of shit out the water

    The RNG AF2 belt is *GODLY*. +5 AGI, 7 Ranged attack, and 7 ranged accuracy would have made this the new RDM AF2 hat of the CoP Dynamises, unfortunately the job has a lot of psychological stigma attached to it. I agree

    The NIN AF2 belt is pretty shitty IMO, but I stack haste more than any other stat so I instantly say 4%<6%.I agree with you, but for slightly different reasons. I dont know any nin's at 75 who rely on evasion.

    The MNK AF2 cape is the best MNK cape for Chi Blast.I agree, but MNK's dont want to be known for Chi's, they want to be known for their big melee dmg. Funny how "Melee" cape offers nothing for "Melee".

    The DRK AF2 cape is great for Kraken Club/Ridill DRKs, stunning, general TP gain on HNMs, and use during multihit weaponskills.I'd say its decent. If acc+7 is "great" for kraken/ridill, then what does Life Belt say ?? "I'M FUCKING GODLY"!

    The THF AF2 cape seems kinda meh. It offers the highest +AGI +DEX combo you can get in a cape slot, along with +5 enmity which I assume is transfered during the trick attack phase.its shitty, all thieves would say'd prefer attack, though I'm one of those few thieves who still think stacking DEX/AGI is the way to go for SATA

    The PLD AF2 cape is great for PLD/WAR without a Shadow Mantle or PLD/NINs. The best PLD/WAR cape combo in my opinion is still Shadow Mantle while a Wyrm is on the ground and then Resentment Cape while the Wyrm is in the air.I agree

    The BRD AF2 cape is a joke.I agree

    The SMN AF2 cape is decent. It really depends on what you prefer stacking. Most Tarus if they're worried about HP are going to use a Gigant mantle, while if you're into pumping stats might prefer the +5 SMNing magic sea cape. 30 HP 30 MP -1 enmity makes it a good balance between Blue Cape +1's 40 MP -20 HP, or Errant cape's +25 MP -5 enmity.You covered it pretty well here. I honestly think Perpetuation cost or BP timers would have been a much better choice

    The WAR AF2 belt is great for weaponskills like Rampage or Vorpal Blade. You're not going to miss +5 dex as much as you'll appreciate +7 accuracy.You covered it pretty well, though I'd call it "ok" instead of "great" considering that rampage is a crit based WS, which DEX (whether you agree with it or not) does affect.


    In conclusion, most of the AF2 capes/backs downright suck.
    I allready analyzed the belts / capes a few posts back, but I'll throw in the truth in bold next to what you wrote.

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    i said SOME are the best for their job...that RNG belt is one i was referring to, most DRKs dont have the luxury of ridill/kraken either =X

    shit like BRD cape is why SE fails at making an update that satisfies ALL jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    Name a better belt for BLMs MBing a Blizz/Thudner spell on Non-obi useable time.
    Pentients. Why ?? Because one extra INT will be equivalent to 4 extra damage tops, but a loss of 3 enmity is more likely to equal a dead blm...which makes that 4 extra damage moot since you're now dead and unable to nuke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    You need to figure out how to use MPh items then. There's this wonderful thing called windower, and it allows you to put 12 gear+ gear changes in the press of one button. As you approach your max MP cap, switch out MPh gear for max MP gear.

    Guess what has more MP on it, a Dalmatica or a Mahatma body? Guess what has more MP on it, a Relaxing earring or Astral earring? Guess what has more MP on it, Pachamac's Collar or Fenrir's Torque/Rep. gold medal? Guess what has more MP on it, Boroka's Earring or Loquacious Earring?
    y helo thar inventory space

    fact is, it's useless thing to have when you have both Heirarch and Pentitents (spelt both wrong but meh). Also, a lot of people now have more then 1 job at 75, so having the RDM belt is fucking redundant and you know it, stop backing useless shit.

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    There's a running joke on my server about BLMs who stack -ENMITY gear over INT/MAB. If 3 enmity makes the difference, then for sure you should use Errant cape over Prism Cape and Mahatma body over Genie weskit. Hell, You should use Novia earring + Heaven's Earring +1 over Novio Earring + Moldavite's.

    Regarding the RDM belt, it seems all you want Square to add are items like a belt with -10 enmity +15% MAB +15 MND +15 CHR +15 INT +15 MPh useable by RDM/BLM/BRD/WHM/SMN. Wow, let's make uni-mage AF2 as well since that pesky RDM AF2 hat and BLM AF2 body are taking up too much room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    There's a running joke on my server about BLMs who stack -ENMITY gear over INT/MAB. If 3 enmity makes the difference, then for sure you should use Errant cape over Prism Cape and Mahatma body over Genie weskit. Hell, You should use Novia earring + Heaven's Earring +1 over Novio Earring + Moldavite's.
    Yes, because obviously trading a lot of INT/MAB for some -enmity is the same thing as trading ONE INT for 3 enmity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    Regarding the RDM belt, it seems all you want Square to add are items like a belt with -10 enmity +15% MAB +15 MND +15 CHR +15 INT +15 MPh useable by RDM/BLM/BRD/WHM/SMN. Wow, let's make uni-mage AF2 as well since that pesky RDM AF2 hat and BLM AF2 body are taking up too much room.
    Where oh where did we ever say that~?

    Truth is, many MAGES would like something convienient and useful to their job then something that is worst then AH'able gear.

    Asides from the fact that you're busting your balls to get this rare item shouldn't it be good?

    Hell, GIVE it -10 enmity, +15% MAB +15MND +15CHR (useless but let's do it anyway!) +15 INT + 15 hMP, I'd love an upgrade...

    CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S BETTER THEN USING GEAR A YEAR OLD!

    Gear should move upwards, not backwards and at odd times left or right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    There's a running joke on my server about BLMs who stack -ENMITY gear over INT/MAB. If 3 enmity makes the difference, then for sure you should use Errant cape over Prism Cape and Mahatma body over Genie weskit. Hell, You should use Novia earring + Heaven's Earring +1 over Novio Earring + Moldavite's.

    Regarding the RDM belt, it seems all you want Square to add are items like a belt with -10 enmity +15% MAB +15 MND +15 CHR +15 INT +15 MPh useable by RDM/BLM/BRD/WHM/SMN. Wow, let's make uni-mage AF2 as well since that pesky RDM AF2 hat and BLM AF2 body are taking up too much room.
    Lets compare:
    actually, before I go into that, Errant Cape = 40 mil, Penitent Rope = 3 mil? And wtf Genie Weskit ?? Your servers bonecrafters must have horseshoes up their ass, because theres like 3 on my server total. Ayways ....

    ok, lets compare
    Errant Cape + Sorcerer's Belt = HP+20 MP+30 INT+6 Enmity-5 Spell Interruption-8% (40+mil + a rare/ex inventory-1 drop; one mulable and usable for multiple mage jobs, one inventory-1)
    Prism Cape + Penitent Rope = HP-10 MP+10 INT+9 MND+9 CHR+4 Enmity-3 (4 mil + 3 mil; both mulable, and both usable for multiple mage jobs)

    Analysis:
    Errant Cape + JSE Belt = HP+30 MP+20 INT-3 MND-9 CHR-4 Enmity-2
    Prism Cape + Penitent Rope = HP-30 MP-20 INT+3 MND+9 CHR+4 Enmity+2


    So, you stated "BLM Belt over Penitent because you gain 1 INT", and I countered that shit saying that 3 enmity is golden. You retorted throwing Errant Cape in place over Prism Cape, and now I dissected it.
    Using your combo, you give up 3 INT for -2 Enmity, not to mention a loss of 9 MND (Which directly affects magic damage).



    Remember: YOU ARE NOT A MAGE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    Regarding the RDM belt, it seems all you want Square to add are items like a belt with -10 enmity +15% MAB +15 MND +15 CHR +15 INT +15 MPh useable by RDM/BLM/BRD/WHM/SMN. Wow, let's make uni-mage AF2 as well since that pesky RDM AF2 hat and BLM AF2 body are taking up too much room.
    Yes, that is exactly what I said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus
    Square needs to stop putting things into the game that are not better (if not worse) than existing items.
    That obviously means, "Square needs to start putting in items like a belt with -10 enmity +15% MAB +15 MND +15 CHR +15 INT +15 MPh useable by RDM/BLM/BRD/WHM/SMN".

    ...

    No wait, it means that if they are going to put new items in, they should make them reasonably different that it would justify taking up our limited inventory space, instead of taking existing items, mashing them together, and making them not actually better so you would have to keep those existing items anyway. (Thank you level caps!)

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    MDN has +3 enmity from merits. He is a BLM. He has said +3 enmity from merits does jack shit.

    You're not going to miss 3 enmity.

    Moreover, I'm assuming you guys are all end game players who have been addicts for over a year. I'm sorry for assuming you had the gil for Errant Cape or Genie Weskit, but in my LS these things are more the norm than the exception. Gil and rareity are not really a limiting factors in my considerations, maybe they are for your LS and server.

    Adding a +4 MPh cape and a +6 INT cape is not going left or right. It's moving up. These items are better stats for their situational purposes than existing items used for these same purposes.

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    Sept, in all honesty, other than bending over for Zaldof...do you ever really rest as your rdm, like "OOM Covert at 5 min" resting where an extra hMP+2 will actually affect around 50 mp or so ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    MDN has +3 enmity from merits. He is a BLM. He has said +3 enmity from merits does jack shit.

    You're not going to miss 3 enmity.

    Moreover, I'm assuming you guys are all end game players who have been addicts for over a year. I'm sorry for assuming you had the gil for Errant Cape or Genie Weskit, but in my LS these things are more the norm than the exception. Gil and rareity are not really a limiting factors in my considerations, maybe they are for your LS and server.

    Adding a +4 MPh cape and a +6 INT cape is not going left or right. It's moving up. These items are better stats for their situational purposes than existing items used for these same purposes.
    Lol gil ??
    You fucking think gil is a factor ??

    You're obviously not a crafter either. You just run around "OMG IM PLD/NIN TANK GOD, I KNOW EVERYTHING" when you dont know shit. Weskits have a high break rate, and they're tough as fuck to HQ. It requires 2 subcrafts, and none of them are able to break tier 1. Which means its less than a 1% HQ rate.


    Pull your fucking head out of your ass, you're talking shit you have no clue about.





    BTW: If "3 Enmity from merits does jack shit" why do you wear enmity gear, or why would you merit enmity ?? It does jack shit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    MDN has +3 enmity from merits. He is a BLM. He has said +3 enmity from merits does jack shit.

    You're not going to miss 3 enmity.
    You're not going to miss 1 int either.

    And not everyone lives in a perfect server like yours. In Carbuncle, the only 2 NA Genie Weskits that I know of both belong to HUGE RMT BLMs. There's also maybe 5 errant capes at most between all NAs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    MDN has +3 enmity from merits. He is a BLM. He has said +3 enmity from merits does jack shit.

    You're not going to miss 3 enmity.

    Moreover, I'm assuming you guys are all end game players who have been addicts for over a year. I'm sorry for assuming you had the gil for Errant Cape or Genie Weskit, but in my LS these things are more the norm than the exception. Gil and rareity are not really a limiting factors in my considerations, maybe they are for your LS and server.

    Adding a +4 MPh cape and a +6 INT cape is not going left or right. It's moving up. These items are better stats for their situational purposes than existing items used for these same purposes.
    I'm sure your LS has more than 2 Genie Weskits.

    Please, by all means, prove me wrong. But Genie Weskits are not a norm, Errant Capes however are slightly more common.

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    You're not going to miss 1 int either.
    Do BLMs get off on doing the highest damage possible? Maybe Cerberus is just weird, but BLMs here like to show off their epeens and usually bigger numbers. Minus enmity does not accomplish that.

    I'm sure your LS has more than 2 Genie Weskits.

    Please, by all means, prove me wrong. But Genie Weskits are not a norm, Errant Capes however are slightly more common.
    Three Genie Weskits. There was a fourth but he quit and his account is banned. "These kinds of items" includes Errant capes in addition to Genie Weskits. Not Genie weskits exclusively. There are around 5 Errant Capes.

    Lol gil ??
    You fucking think gil is a factor ??

    You're obviously not a crafter either. You just run around "OMG IM PLD/NIN TANK GOD, I KNOW EVERYTHING" when you dont know shit. Weskits have a high break rate, and they're tough as fuck to HQ. It requires 2 subcrafts, and none of them are able to break tier 1. Which means its less than a 1% HQ rate.


    Pull your fucking head out of your ass, you're talking shit you have no clue about.
    If you have the gil, you can get a Genie Weskit. That's all there is to it. Eventually one will pop up for an insanely high price and if you have the dough you can obtain it. If not, it'll go to some JP who's more than willing to accept the current trend of hyperinflation.



    BTW: If "3 Enmity from merits does jack shit" why do you wear enmity gear, or why would you merit enmity ?? It does jack shit...
    +3 Enmity does jack shit. +40 Enmity does something. I'm trying to think of how much -enmity a BLM wears... at most using the best merits/MAB/INT/Tamas (plus Pentinents) you'd have -10. Without Pentinents you'd have -7. Big deal? The BLMs I know are all about higher damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    If you have the gil, you can get a Genie Weskit. That's all there is to it. Eventually one will pop up for an insanely high price and if you have the dough you can obtain it. If not, it'll go to some JP who's more than willing to accept the current trend of hyperinflation.
    Are you blind or just illiterate ??

    You cant just "Buy" a genie weskit. Ok, read this again. You dont HQ a triple-tier0 synth every day. You're lucky if your server gets one every 4-6 months. They are THAT rare, but what would you know about that ??

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    >>>Eventually<<< one will pop up for an insanely high price and if you have the dough you can obtain it. If not, it'll go to some JP who's more than willing to accept the current trend of hyperinflation.

    Are you blind or illiterate?

    That's at least how it is here. I know a LS member who was lusting after one for a while. This bonecrafter has one in his bazaar for 70 million. He didn't want to pay more than 60. He lost the chance at a Genie Weskit. Sold to a JP shortly after for the bazaar price.

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    The belts and capes have a lot of strikes against them. a) They're ONE JOB only, b) They're high level, c) They're difficult to get, d) With few exceptions they're very comparable to, often worse than, items that are neither a, nor b, nor c.

    Does the nin belt make me want to get rid of my life belt, swift belt and warwolf belt? No. Warwolf is often better, and life and swift are not only things I use on my other jobs, but things I'd STILL use even with nin belt on nin job for the same goddamn reason I still have emperor's hairpin and sais kicking around. Level capped encounters.

    As it is, I do not even WANT that belt, even if it was off AH for 1 gil. It would be a total and complete waste of inventory space and I'd practically never use it. Same with the RDM and WHM belts. When an item isn't worth the inventory space and it drops from the end-game, hardest areas in the game which is so super dooper it needs to be time-locked and given shit drop rates, theres something fucking wrong with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demetrios
    >>>Eventually<<< one will pop up for an insanely high price and if you have the dough you can obtain it. If not, it'll go to some JP who's more than willing to accept the current trend of hyperinflation.

    Are you blind or illiterate?

    That's at least how it is here. I know a LS member who was lusting after one for a while. This bonecrafter has one in his bazaar for 70 million. He didn't want to pay more than 60. He lost the chance at a Genie Weskit. Sold to a JP shortly after for the bazaar price.
    No, it wont, lol. Because the people crafting them are comissiong them for their friends.
    People dont synth Weskits for hope on HQing one to sell. Its like synthing errant caps hoping to make money off a Mahtama cape. It doesnt happen. It DOES NOT happen.


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