Dynamis - Tavnazia Unlocked

[Tom Chambers]

Like right there, Wizerd kicked Nynja square in the teeth. It wasn't me, but I was here to laugh.

Nynja please stay you little bitch.

[NynJa]

Like right there, Wizerd kicked Nynja square in the teeth. It wasn't me, but I was here to laugh.

Nynja please stay you little bitch.

like I said
I've broken 4 of 9 weskits, and someone in my LS is 0/40+ on genie.

[Tom Chambers]

Wait, I talk about kicking you in the teeth and call you a bitch and you just say normal regular person stuff back, like a real person. When I try to have a normal discussion with you you're all 'fuck this' and 'stupid moron that' and what the fuck is up?

Please be a dumbass caricature all the time or be a normal person who doesn't act like he's 13 all the time, pick one, because now I don't know whether to treat you like you're out of junior high or to continue kicking teeth.

[NynJa]

I keep people guessing

[Tom Chambers]

Shit.

[DrObvious]

Jesus Flux, don't you understand the same can be said for RoZ AFs? Are you not reading?

As someone already said RoZ AF was created before a lot of other gear. If rdm af2 belt came out before penitent or heirarch people instead of after people probably wouldn't be bashing them as much.

[Vinto]

[quote=NynJa]

>>>Eventually<<< one will pop up for an insanely high price and if you have the dough you can obtain it. If not, it'll go to some JP who's more than willing to accept the current trend of hyperinflation.

Are you blind or illiterate?

That's at least how it is here. I know a LS member who was lusting after one for a while. This bonecrafter has one in his bazaar for 70 million. He didn't want to pay more than 60. He lost the chance at a Genie Weskit. Sold to a JP shortly after for the bazaar price.

No, it wont, lol. Because the people crafting them are comissiong them for their friends.
People dont synth Weskits for hope on HQing one to sell. Its like synthing errant caps hoping to make money off a Mahtama cape. It doesnt happen. It DOES NOT happen.


Tunnelvision ftw.

How can you compare Mahatma cape and Genie Weskits? Let's examine where Talons come from: Fafnir, Tiamat, Ouryu, Jormungand, Vrtra, Seiryu, Ash Dragon, and BC99 wyrm. Let's examine where Amnity cape comes from: Capricious Cassie.

People on my server buy Talons and sell the NQs on AH. They bazaar the HQ for insanely high prices. I'm sorry your server is full of lv100 bonecraft BLMs, but most of 'em here are 100 Bonecraft NIN and THFs who want gil to buy things like Kraken club.

Genie weskits sell in bazaar here. It's not ZOMGOMGZOMGOMG uber rare. It's rare, but if you had the gil and patience you could obtain it. If you don't want to pay that extra 10 mil because you think the crafter is charging too much, then you're not getting it.

Now lets make another comparisant:
Errant Cape: Main Skill: Clothcraft (100 - Veteran)
Igqira Weskit: Main Skill: Bonecraft (99 - Veteran), Sub-Skills: Leathercraft (? - Unknown) , Alchemy (? - Unknown)

Errant Cape: 1 tier-0
Igqira Weskit: 3 Tier-0 (The Leather and Alchemy are believed to be 59-60, considering Igqira Weskit uses Coeurl Leather which caps at 71)


Once again, you've prooven your ignorance towards craftsmanship.

Both synths can't break tier0(omg this means they both have 1% chance of HQ, read on). There are so many talons/nq's floating around, the chance for a Genie FAR outweighs that of Mahatma Cape, rare drop from a 21-24 NM vs. sky is camped everyday, faf/nid pops everyday, all mobs who can drop talons drop them more times than they don't. In 1 week to be generous let's say 2 Amity Capes drop, and in that week 30 Talons dropped, thats a FAR better chance of getting a Genie than a Mahatma Cape.

I was under the impression that to HQ a craft with multiple subcrafts you had to get a HQ roll on all the subcrafts ??[/quote:ba5f0]

I forget exactly what the tier0 percentage is but I'm going to use 2% as an example. If you did have to roll HQ with each subcraft the equation for the cape would be like this (.02 = 2% chance of HQ). The equation for the weskit looks like this (.02 * .02 * .02 = .000008 or 0.0008% chance of HQ). If you took 1 HQ for genie weskit it would take you an average of 125000 tries to get so I don't think you need to roll HQ for each subcraft because I'm fairly sure there aren't 125000 weskits just chillin out there.

[NynJa]

[quote=vinto][quote=NynJa]

>>>Eventually<<< one will pop up for an insanely high price and if you have the dough you can obtain it. If not, it'll go to some JP who's more than willing to accept the current trend of hyperinflation.

Are you blind or illiterate?

That's at least how it is here. I know a LS member who was lusting after one for a while. This bonecrafter has one in his bazaar for 70 million. He didn't want to pay more than 60. He lost the chance at a Genie Weskit. Sold to a JP shortly after for the bazaar price.

No, it wont, lol. Because the people crafting them are comissiong them for their friends.
People dont synth Weskits for hope on HQing one to sell. Its like synthing errant caps hoping to make money off a Mahtama cape. It doesnt happen. It DOES NOT happen.


Tunnelvision ftw.

How can you compare Mahatma cape and Genie Weskits? Let's examine where Talons come from: Fafnir, Tiamat, Ouryu, Jormungand, Vrtra, Seiryu, Ash Dragon, and BC99 wyrm. Let's examine where Amnity cape comes from: Capricious Cassie.

People on my server buy Talons and sell the NQs on AH. They bazaar the HQ for insanely high prices. I'm sorry your server is full of lv100 bonecraft BLMs, but most of 'em here are 100 Bonecraft NIN and THFs who want gil to buy things like Kraken club.

Genie weskits sell in bazaar here. It's not ZOMGOMGZOMGOMG uber rare. It's rare, but if you had the gil and patience you could obtain it. If you don't want to pay that extra 10 mil because you think the crafter is charging too much, then you're not getting it.

Now lets make another comparisant:
Errant Cape: Main Skill: Clothcraft (100 - Veteran)
Igqira Weskit: Main Skill: Bonecraft (99 - Veteran), Sub-Skills: Leathercraft (? - Unknown) , Alchemy (? - Unknown)

Errant Cape: 1 tier-0
Igqira Weskit: 3 Tier-0 (The Leather and Alchemy are believed to be 59-60, considering Igqira Weskit uses Coeurl Leather which caps at 71)


Once again, you've prooven your ignorance towards craftsmanship.

Both synths can't break tier0(omg this means they both have 1% chance of HQ, read on). There are so many talons/nq's floating around, the chance for a Genie FAR outweighs that of Mahatma Cape, rare drop from a 21-24 NM vs. sky is camped everyday, faf/nid pops everyday, all mobs who can drop talons drop them more times than they don't. In 1 week to be generous let's say 2 Amity Capes drop, and in that week 30 Talons dropped, thats a FAR better chance of getting a Genie than a Mahatma Cape.

I was under the impression that to HQ a craft with multiple subcrafts you had to get a HQ roll on all the subcrafts ??[/quote:4bdfc]

I forget exactly what the tier0 percentage is but I'm going to use 2% as an example. If you did have to roll HQ with each subcraft the equation for the cape would be like this (.02 = 2% chance of HQ). The equation for the weskit looks like this (.02 * .02 * .02 = .000008 or 0.0008% chance of HQ). If you took 1 HQ for genie weskit it would take you an average of 125000 tries to get so I don't think you need to roll HQ for each subcraft because I'm fairly sure there aren't 125000 weskits just chillin out there.[/quote:4bdfc]
Well I know its harder to HQ something with multiple subs over something with no subs.

[Lordwafik]

[quote=NynJa][quote=vinto][quote=NynJa]

>>>Eventually<<< one will pop up for an insanely high price and if you have the dough you can obtain it. If not, it'll go to some JP who's more than willing to accept the current trend of hyperinflation.

Are you blind or illiterate?

That's at least how it is here. I know a LS member who was lusting after one for a while. This bonecrafter has one in his bazaar for 70 million. He didn't want to pay more than 60. He lost the chance at a Genie Weskit. Sold to a JP shortly after for the bazaar price.

No, it wont, lol. Because the people crafting them are comissiong them for their friends.
People dont synth Weskits for hope on HQing one to sell. Its like synthing errant caps hoping to make money off a Mahtama cape. It doesnt happen. It DOES NOT happen.


Tunnelvision ftw.

How can you compare Mahatma cape and Genie Weskits? Let's examine where Talons come from: Fafnir, Tiamat, Ouryu, Jormungand, Vrtra, Seiryu, Ash Dragon, and BC99 wyrm. Let's examine where Amnity cape comes from: Capricious Cassie.

People on my server buy Talons and sell the NQs on AH. They bazaar the HQ for insanely high prices. I'm sorry your server is full of lv100 bonecraft BLMs, but most of 'em here are 100 Bonecraft NIN and THFs who want gil to buy things like Kraken club.

Genie weskits sell in bazaar here. It's not ZOMGOMGZOMGOMG uber rare. It's rare, but if you had the gil and patience you could obtain it. If you don't want to pay that extra 10 mil because you think the crafter is charging too much, then you're not getting it.

Now lets make another comparisant:
Errant Cape: Main Skill: Clothcraft (100 - Veteran)
Igqira Weskit: Main Skill: Bonecraft (99 - Veteran), Sub-Skills: Leathercraft (? - Unknown) , Alchemy (? - Unknown)

Errant Cape: 1 tier-0
Igqira Weskit: 3 Tier-0 (The Leather and Alchemy are believed to be 59-60, considering Igqira Weskit uses Coeurl Leather which caps at 71)


Once again, you've prooven your ignorance towards craftsmanship.

Both synths can't break tier0(omg this means they both have 1% chance of HQ, read on). There are so many talons/nq's floating around, the chance for a Genie FAR outweighs that of Mahatma Cape, rare drop from a 21-24 NM vs. sky is camped everyday, faf/nid pops everyday, all mobs who can drop talons drop them more times than they don't. In 1 week to be generous let's say 2 Amity Capes drop, and in that week 30 Talons dropped, thats a FAR better chance of getting a Genie than a Mahatma Cape.

I was under the impression that to HQ a craft with multiple subcrafts you had to get a HQ roll on all the subcrafts ??[/quote:5a899]

I forget exactly what the tier0 percentage is but I'm going to use 2% as an example. If you did have to roll HQ with each subcraft the equation for the cape would be like this (.02 = 2% chance of HQ). The equation for the weskit looks like this (.02 * .02 * .02 = .000008 or 0.0008% chance of HQ). If you took 1 HQ for genie weskit it would take you an average of 125000 tries to get so I don't think you need to roll HQ for each subcraft because I'm fairly sure there aren't 125000 weskits just chillin out there.[/quote:5a899]
Well I know its harder to HQ something with multiple subs over something with no subs.[/quote:5a899]

Choo choo

[Vinto]

[quote=NynJa][quote=vinto][quote=NynJa]

>>>Eventually<<< one will pop up for an insanely high price and if you have the dough you can obtain it. If not, it'll go to some JP who's more than willing to accept the current trend of hyperinflation.

Are you blind or illiterate?

That's at least how it is here. I know a LS member who was lusting after one for a while. This bonecrafter has one in his bazaar for 70 million. He didn't want to pay more than 60. He lost the chance at a Genie Weskit. Sold to a JP shortly after for the bazaar price.

No, it wont, lol. Because the people crafting them are comissiong them for their friends.
People dont synth Weskits for hope on HQing one to sell. Its like synthing errant caps hoping to make money off a Mahtama cape. It doesnt happen. It DOES NOT happen.


Tunnelvision ftw.

How can you compare Mahatma cape and Genie Weskits? Let's examine where Talons come from: Fafnir, Tiamat, Ouryu, Jormungand, Vrtra, Seiryu, Ash Dragon, and BC99 wyrm. Let's examine where Amnity cape comes from: Capricious Cassie.

People on my server buy Talons and sell the NQs on AH. They bazaar the HQ for insanely high prices. I'm sorry your server is full of lv100 bonecraft BLMs, but most of 'em here are 100 Bonecraft NIN and THFs who want gil to buy things like Kraken club.

Genie weskits sell in bazaar here. It's not ZOMGOMGZOMGOMG uber rare. It's rare, but if you had the gil and patience you could obtain it. If you don't want to pay that extra 10 mil because you think the crafter is charging too much, then you're not getting it.

Now lets make another comparisant:
Errant Cape: Main Skill: Clothcraft (100 - Veteran)
Igqira Weskit: Main Skill: Bonecraft (99 - Veteran), Sub-Skills: Leathercraft (? - Unknown) , Alchemy (? - Unknown)

Errant Cape: 1 tier-0
Igqira Weskit: 3 Tier-0 (The Leather and Alchemy are believed to be 59-60, considering Igqira Weskit uses Coeurl Leather which caps at 71)


Once again, you've prooven your ignorance towards craftsmanship.

Both synths can't break tier0(omg this means they both have 1% chance of HQ, read on). There are so many talons/nq's floating around, the chance for a Genie FAR outweighs that of Mahatma Cape, rare drop from a 21-24 NM vs. sky is camped everyday, faf/nid pops everyday, all mobs who can drop talons drop them more times than they don't. In 1 week to be generous let's say 2 Amity Capes drop, and in that week 30 Talons dropped, thats a FAR better chance of getting a Genie than a Mahatma Cape.

I was under the impression that to HQ a craft with multiple subcrafts you had to get a HQ roll on all the subcrafts ??[/quote:0be9a]

I forget exactly what the tier0 percentage is but I'm going to use 2% as an example. If you did have to roll HQ with each subcraft the equation for the cape would be like this (.02 = 2% chance of HQ). The equation for the weskit looks like this (.02 * .02 * .02 = .000008 or 0.0008% chance of HQ). If you took 1 HQ for genie weskit it would take you an average of 125000 tries to get so I don't think you need to roll HQ for each subcraft because I'm fairly sure there aren't 125000 weskits just chillin out there.[/quote:0be9a]
Well I know its harder to HQ something with multiple subs over something with no subs.[/quote:0be9a]

I'm not so sure about that, I can tier 2 shade harness pretty steadily and it has 2 subcrafts.

[Tom Chambers]

Jesus Flux, don't you understand the same can be said for RoZ AFs? Are you not reading?

As someone already said RoZ AF was created before a lot of other gear. If rdm af2 belt came out before penitent or heirarch people instead of after people probably wouldn't be bashing them as much.

But right now that doesn't matter. Right now the belts and capes are just as useful (or useless) as any other AF. So either bash them all or bash none. It's very simple.

[Tahngarthor]

(this is like 10 pages back in the thread)

Wyrm Belt: Vitality+5 Accuracy+7 Attack+7
Does VIT mod Wheeling Thrust ?!? Good piece, but its dragoon. Usless.

if you didnt know, VIT is a mod for jumps. It affects them a LOT. Dragoons dont suck, and this peice isnt useless.



So uh, has anyone actually done dynamis tavnazia yet?

[divisortheory]

You don't have to get an HQ roll on all the subcrafts. You have to

a) Get an HQ roll on at least 1 subcraft.
b) Not get an break roll on any subcraft.

If you had to get an HQ roll on all subcrafts, HQ rate of something like Genie Weskit would be (.01)^3 = .0001% = 1 in 1,000,000. In reality it's more like 1/100 which is why usually if you do 100 or so synths you'll get 1 HQ

[Tahngarthor]

That is interesting, but what does it have to do with dynamis tavnzia?

[divisortheory]

Nothing whatsoever

[edgarfigaro]

[quote=Tom Chambers]

Jesus Flux, don't you understand the same can be said for RoZ AFs? Are you not reading?

As someone already said RoZ AF was created before a lot of other gear. If rdm af2 belt came out before penitent or heirarch people instead of after people probably wouldn't be bashing them as much.

But right now that doesn't matter. Right now the belts and capes are just as useful (or useless) as any other AF. So either bash them all or bash none. It's very simple.[/quote:7b89d]

You are a fucking moron.

If something comes out 3 years after another object, and isn't clearly better than an item it's supposed to replace, there's a problem. Part of the problem is that AFv2 is still some of the best armor in the game (gg SE), so the new AFv2 items in the new dynamises should have been MUCH better to help decrease the need to go into the old dynamises for the umpteenth time to get a 3 year old item.

The fact remains, the new dynamises are FAIL. Half (or 1/4) the number of people allowed in, same cost, shitty drop rate, and crappy new items. Why the fuck would you do them after you beat all 4, when a normal city run nets you more coins and northlands AF2 is better?

[Maxxthepenguin]

[quote=edgarfigaro]

Jesus Flux, don't you understand the same can be said for RoZ AFs? Are you not reading?

As someone already said RoZ AF was created before a lot of other gear. If rdm af2 belt came out before penitent or heirarch people instead of after people probably wouldn't be bashing them as much.

But right now that doesn't matter. Right now the belts and capes are just as useful (or useless) as any other AF. So either bash them all or bash none. It's very simple.

You are a fucking moron.

If something comes out 3 years after another object, and isn't clearly better than an item it's supposed to replace, there's a problem. Part of the problem is that AFv2 is still some of the best armor in the game (gg SE), so the new AFv2 items in the new dynamises should have been MUCH better to help decrease the need to go into the old dynamises for the umpteenth time to get a 3 year old item.

The fact remains, the new dynamises are FAIL. Half (or 1/4) the number of people allowed in, same cost, shitty drop rate, and crappy new items. Why the fuck would you do them after you beat all 4, when a normal city run nets you more coins and northlands AF2 is better?[/quote:4aca5]

Cause you want to have fun in a game?

[berticus]

for some people, fun in mmos involves progression

[Gamutstreet]

[quote=Maxxthepenguin]

Jesus Flux, don't you understand the same can be said for RoZ AFs? Are you not reading?

As someone already said RoZ AF was created before a lot of other gear. If rdm af2 belt came out before penitent or heirarch people instead of after people probably wouldn't be bashing them as much.

But right now that doesn't matter. Right now the belts and capes are just as useful (or useless) as any other AF. So either bash them all or bash none. It's very simple.

You are a fucking moron.

If something comes out 3 years after another object, and isn't clearly better than an item it's supposed to replace, there's a problem. Part of the problem is that AFv2 is still some of the best armor in the game (gg SE), so the new AFv2 items in the new dynamises should have been MUCH better to help decrease the need to go into the old dynamises for the umpteenth time to get a 3 year old item.

The fact remains, the new dynamises are FAIL. Half (or 1/4) the number of people allowed in, same cost, shitty drop rate, and crappy new items. Why the fuck would you do them after you beat all 4, when a normal city run nets you more coins and northlands AF2 is better?

Cause you want to have fun in a game?[/quote:74d9b]

LOL. Sounds like a lot of people have lost the fun factor a long time ago and need to break the addiction.

[Tom Chambers]

The fact remains, the new dynamises are FAIL. Half (or 1/4) the number of people allowed in, same cost, shitty drop rate, and crappy new items. Why the fuck would you do them after you beat all 4, when a normal city run nets you more coins and northlands AF2 is better?

So in one breath you say the belts and capes are equal to the other AFs. In the next you say the Northlands is better? Dude, get this shit through your head, some of the AF is alright (from both CoP and RoZ) and some of it sucks (from both CoP and RoZ). So you do the zones for the AF drops. Coins are for people who want to upgrade their shit, if selling Byne Bills is your main source of income you have a much bigger problem than fucking AF drops.