Apocalypse Nigh BCNM Speculation

[Alina]

Goblin footprint.

No shit! its not showing up there.. just the four cutscenes from Dawn are.

Can't rewatch the cutscenes til you finish the quest (talking to Gilgamesh in Norg/getting earring completes it).

[Vinen]

Goblin footprint.

No shit! its not showing up there.. just the four cutscenes from Dawn are.

Can't rewatch the cutscenes til you finish the quest (talking to Gilgamesh in Norg/getting earring completes it).

lame~ just raped the BC with NIN SAM MNK BLM WHM RDM... trival trival trival BC.

[Aurkon]

beat the BC a few hours ago. I didn't go to Aldo right away except I waited a little bit and also took a trip to norg. So after a few hours I went to Aldo...and got nothing. Tried running to Ru'lude palace and got nothing. Tried to re-enter the BC and couldn't. Last thing i can do is wait till jp midnight. Any other suggestions?

[Raineer]

Yes, but what does +5 do? Increased potency? Increased frequency? Both?

this was tested insanely with the +15 conserve mp avatar ring (levi i think?)

It's increased activation. It was something like.... conserve mp is -7% average MP saved overall, and do to increased procs it was +15% to that 7%

so... 7 x 1.15 = 8.05% saved due to that ring

I would NOT get the conserve mp earring for the conserve MP, but yeah to each his own

Wow...overrated lol.
Have a link to the original study by chance? Or know where I can go digging for it?

Sorry for the bump, I found my original data. All of this is from other researchers so I don't take any credit except for linking the information:

This was the broadest test by VxSote on allakazham:
Summary of the Results:

No Body Armor

Casts:
Cost # %
46 375 75.0
43 19 3.8
40 13 2.6
37 25 5.0
34 17 3.4
31 13 2.6
28 17 3.4
25 8 1.6
23 13 2.6


Totals:
Casts 500
Nominal MP 23000
Actual MP 21468
Pct. saved 6.66
Adj. pct. saved 6.44

Igqira Weskit

Casts:
Cost # %
46 394 78.8
43 12 2.4
40 11 2.2
37 13 2.6
34 11 2.2
31 10 2.0
28 14 2.8
25 20 4.0
23 15 3.0

Totals:
Casts 500
Nominal MP 23000
Actual MP 21482
Pct. saved 6.60
Adj. pct. saved 6.39

Igqira Weskit + Water Ring

Casts:
Cost # %
46 288 57.6
43 29 5.8
40 29 5.8
37 38 7.6
34 23 4.6
31 31 6.2
28 22 4.4
25 22 4.4
23 18 3.6

Totals:
Casts 500
Nominal MP 23000
Actual MP 20384
Pct. saved 11.37
Adj. pct. saved 10.98

So yeah, I was incorrect in thinking that Water Ring was only 1%..it was +5% with +15 Conserve MP. So looking at approx 1.6% or so with the earring.

My biggest point so far is people saying "i got weskit and can feel a huge difference", because...no you can't.

This is a second thread showing the similar 7% figure for baseline Conserve MP.

Lastly, off on a bit of a tangent... This is a post by Margavine regarding the effectiveness of "Conserve MP" compared to the MP savings of /SMN. I use this to try to have a discussion with WHM/BLM proclaimers that say /SMN is garbage because Conserve MP is "so amazing".

"Let's do the math.

As it stands now, Auto-Refresh restores 200MP in a 10 minute window. In order to match that with a 25% fire rate on Conserve MP, you'd need to spend roughly 2857MP in 10 minutes. Shaving off 600 MP from Refresh returns, you're left with 2257MP to come up with. Being extremely generous, let's say you get 1000MP from a perfect 1:1 Convert, leaving 1257MP. With Clear Mind III, a Dark staff, and let's say a cookie, you're looking at having to get more than 30 initial ticks of healing, or over 7 minutes sitting on your butt, aka: not gonna happen. With a BRD, it becomes somewhat more possible, but it's still a near thing.

With a 30% fire rate, you'd need to spend 2372MP in 10 minutes, which is only cutting 485MP from the total required, which is still a tad less than what you'd get from a BRD. Still leaves you with 5 minutes worth of initial healing ticks.

I don't see it burying /SMN."

Bottom line, you can't say /BLM > /SMN or vice versa without defining how much MP you're be expending in whatever role you plan to fill.

[Not Kuno]

Where are the af2 boot tests at? :O

I notice the boots alot, and the weskit notsomuch. The ring sucks ass, I threw it away.

[aurik]

I prefer most whms, if their role doesn't involve AA on a party, to sub blm for emergency es+sleep <_< then again, I'm not used to whms having actual mp problems.

Anyway, good stuff. I guess you could say 3 conserve MP = 1%, approximately? That would mean BLM baseline at 75 is ~20 conserve mp, which seems reasonable.

[Francisco]

NAKED RNG32/WAR16 FTW!!

If I can get a few more, we can zerg it! Maybe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...x/img_0185.jpg

[GRT]

question for whoever got hollow earring (not that many of ya huh? XD) :

does that sword enhancement damage bonus apply to weapons that have added effect? such as light staff, siccorus knife, etc... how about light damage on holy bolt?

[qatsi2]

does that sword enhancement damage bonus apply to weapons that have added effect? such as light staff, siccorus knife, etc... how about light damage on holy bolt?

Attacking with an En-spell on nullifies the additional effects of weapons.

[GRT]

does that sword enhancement damage bonus apply to weapons that have added effect? such as light staff, siccorus knife, etc... how about light damage on holy bolt?

Attacking with an En-spell on nullifies the additional effects of weapons.

yes i know that ^^;

but if i don't cast en-spell, does this earring's en-spell damage apply to the original added effect damage?

[Septimus]

does that sword enhancement damage bonus apply to weapons that have added effect? such as light staff, siccorus knife, etc... how about light damage on holy bolt?

Attacking with an En-spell on nullifies the additional effects of weapons.

yes i know that ^^;

but if i don't cast en-spell, does this earring's en-spell damage apply to the original added effect damage?

That is a good question. I plan on getting a Hollow Earring, maybe I can test it out.

[GRT]

does that sword enhancement damage bonus apply to weapons that have added effect? such as light staff, siccorus knife, etc... how about light damage on holy bolt?

Attacking with an En-spell on nullifies the additional effects of weapons.

yes i know that ^^;

but if i don't cast en-spell, does this earring's en-spell damage apply to the original added effect damage?

That is a good question. I plan on getting a Hollow Earring, maybe I can test it out.

thank you ^^

i'm struggling between hollow and magnetic, but if hollow earring really gives bonus to original add effect damage then i'm definately getting hollow :D

[Tymon]

SE wins at nerfing BLM for this BC, since even fucking Diabolos gets resisted on the kid.

Finally beat this on the 8th try with NIN PLD DRK WHM SMN BLM, MNK for Hundred Fists or RDM/DRK are really needed to make this easy

Record for this was somthing like 3 minutes, I suppose they were somthing like 3x MNK/NIN 2x RDM/DRK 1x PLD or NIN or somthing lolnofun like that..

[inafume]

SE wins at nerfing BLM for this BC, since even fucking Diabolos gets resisted on the kid.

Finally beat this on the 8th try with NIN PLD DRK WHM SMN BLM, MNK for Hundred Fists or RDM/DRK are really needed to make this easy

Record for this was somthing like 3 minutes, I suppose they were somthing like 3x MNK/NIN 2x RDM/DRK 1x PLD or NIN or somthing lolnofun like that..

My group had a similar setup, except THF instead of DRK. To make a long story short, we won on our 2nd run of that configuration (2 failed runs of a slightly different setup). Wasn't really that hard as long as you can keep the kid under control and keep him away from AOEing the Kamlanaut kiter. No doubt a heavier damage setup would win more quickly, but it wasn't terrible.

[Tymon]

SE wins at nerfing BLM for this BC, since even fucking Diabolos gets resisted on the kid.

Finally beat this on the 8th try with NIN PLD DRK WHM SMN BLM, MNK for Hundred Fists or RDM/DRK are really needed to make this easy

Record for this was somthing like 3 minutes, I suppose they were somthing like 3x MNK/NIN 2x RDM/DRK 1x PLD or NIN or somthing lolnofun like that..

My group had a similar setup, except THF instead of DRK. To make a long story short, we won on our 2nd run of that configuration (2 failed runs of a slightly different setup). Wasn't really that hard as long as you can keep the kid under control and keep him away from AOEing the Kamlanaut kiter. No doubt a heavier damage setup would win more quickly, but it wasn't terrible.

we could have won the first time, but we wiped in the wrong places, and after that it was all bad luck, terror on the wrong person, aga at the wrong time, etc

[Cleveland]

RDM/DRK with Chainspell+Stun makes this BC pretty easy. Once the kid is down...you have pretty much won, unless you are retarded.

Also..... BRING FARKING ECHO DROPS!!!!!!!!!!

[Vinen]

SE wins at nerfing BLM for this BC, since even fucking Diabolos gets resisted on the kid.

Finally beat this on the 8th try with NIN PLD DRK WHM SMN BLM, MNK for Hundred Fists or RDM/DRK are really needed to make this easy

Record for this was somthing like 3 minutes, I suppose they were somthing like 3x MNK/NIN 2x RDM/DRK 1x PLD or NIN or somthing lolnofun like that..

Lol@8 tries

raped this BC easily with only one loss, second win the only 2 hour we had was Dark.

First win - NIN MNK SAM WHM BLM RDM
completly up and raped the BC without any problems

First Loss - NIN MNK SAM WHM BLM RDM (new BLM, new WHM.. MNK and SAM 2 hours down)... we lose due to not enough stuns on Earld.

Second Win - DRK MNK SAM WHM BLM RDM (NIN changed to DRK/WAR (has Ridill) everything else the same as first loss)

MNK kited around Kam, while DRK and SAM fought down Earld. DRK and BLM alternated stuns and we beat him down.. at around 30% DRK equipped Ridill and activated Blood Weapon, Souleater and everything else. At around 10% shit went to hell but we managed to kill Earld and I still had reraise up. We raised up the four of us who were not in aggro range of Kam.. got out of weakness and procceeded to beat the everliving shit out of him.

[Hirronimus]

EDIT: Ah shit, wrong thread.

[Francisco]

Not counting my RNG32/WAR16 solo attempt, we won this the first time easily...

WAR, WAR, MNK (me), NIN, BRD, RDM

The 2 Warriors slept TP to 100%... I slept TP to 300%.

BRD sang Soul Voiced Minuet x2, NIN Kited Kam'lanaut. RDM cures us. The two warriors immediately use Mighty Strikes, followed by Rampage on Eald'Narche. I use Asuran Fists. The two warriors use an icarus wing and Rampage again. Kid is dead before I even get a chance to use my Icarus Wing. Must of died in about 35 seconds. Pushover.

I hit Kam'lanaut with a 1189 Asuran Fists to get things started.. yeah, I'm fucked. Francisco uses Hundred Fists. Kam'lanaut readies Light Blade. One. Shot. Kill. I reraise and proceed to beat the shit out of him anyway with Hundred Fists... I guess the RDM must have Chainspell stunned because he didn't do jack shit after that Light Blade. I think he got one more off, but it got absorbed by someone's Utsusemi.

Battle Clear Time: 3 minutes, 56 seconds.

[MisterBob]

Pretty easy BC...
BLM/RDM BLM/RDM WAR/NIN NIN/WAR SMN/WHM THF/NIN

Went crazy on the kid, killed him pretty quick. Had no problem doing damage with BLMs, must be the max merits/ele gear setup, I guess. After that just kite the duke till you're recovered, and kill him.

First try win, easily