Magnetic Earring Testing

[Tyche]

Conserve MP items and +MP items are a dime a dozen. I dont theink the conserve MP is worth it, and there are other earrings that offer the MP boost. Damage taken to MP on all jobs is...ermm...rare to say the least. Also, just because your taking damage in a wyrm fight, doesnt mean your dead. I can recall many a spammy tiamats where he decides to wing > inferno blast > touchdown in a matter of 30 seconds. Im not arguing that the magnetic isnt useful, it is. But the difference between the two is not a deal breaker. Its not gonna determine the outcome of a fight. If the magnetic is better, its minimal at best. Its just the etheral is a nice damn earring that has rare stats that you cannot get elsewhere. Thats why i regret it.

[Krandor]

Also, just because your taking damage in a wyrm fight, doesnt mean your dead. I can recall many a spammy tiamats where he decides to wing > inferno blast > touchdown in a matter of 30 seconds.

Maybe you fight it differently but we use the different levels in Tiamat's spawn area so that the mages can cure the tanks and also stay out of AoE range <.< Only reason they're going to be hit by an AoE is if the tanks lose hate and Tiamat decides to climb up the hill (exception being people doing Aerial Armor and/or the BRDs giving songs to the tanks).

[Tyche]

It was just an example, but yes, we fight tiamat different than every video ive ever watched. Most people i guess fight it in the middle and mages stand up on the hill. We pull it all the way to the left, and tank it against the wall. Dunno if that was a colorful enough explanation, but we've done a whole hell of a lot of tiamats and not lost, so we stick with what works.

[chiz]

Safe to assume Ethereal = BST/RDM/PLD/WHM(solo)/BRD/DRK? Anything else?

Also incredibly good for NIN/DRK, NIN/WHM or NIN/RDM for CoP wyrms. NIN/DRK and /RDM don't need the MP as much but a NIN/WHM could spam those curaga IIs that much sooner with 6-9MP every time they get hit by a magic ball.

Could be good for THF/DRK on CoP wyrms too. Replaces a Merman's/Triumph/Pixie/Cassie to go with Brutal and would possibly eliminate the need for the THF to get Refresh or Ballad (if they're helping with Stuns).

Also supposed to be incredibly good for DRG/WHM solo'ing with AF2 hat or something.

Chiz

[Krandor]

Also supposed to be incredibly good for DRG/WHM solo'ing with AF2 hat or something.

I was doing the math with a DRG in my LS and if they used /RDM for poison (cheaper than Dia, costs 5 MP), they would need to take 165 damage to get that 5 MP, and then healing Breath would recover 230 HP, so yeah.... really really really good for a DRG/Mage solo.

[Mifaco]

um, was tamas a typo or something?

Inventory space? Yes

Gimp? Yes

Get a real ring instead.

Tamas is 2nd best by a long shot behind Raja and Magnetic is looking pretty weak.

Rajas is pretty weak, unless you're one of those sushi-loving fools. Any SAM will tell you how worthless "Store TP" is.

Conserve MP item are a dime a dozen.

Sorry, try again. Offhand, the only +Conserve MP items I can think of are BLM AF2 boots, Weskit, Shiva's ring, and M-Earring.

Why would you say Sattva Ring? I myself only play tank jobs cause it's the only thing that really entertains me, I'll never level a mage job being Galka, and for a fair number of melee jobs the difference between a Rajas and a Flame Ring would be rather minor imo.

Most PLDs I've seen wear BQ+Jelly. If you want to save inventory space, Sattva would be good, but the fact is that it's only good for one (maybe two) jobs isn't very good.

[Raineer]

If you can explain how:

(MND + INT at the same time)

is even in the same discussion as

(STR + DEX at the same time)

I will give you a cookie.

[Janice]

For a mage, what is better than the Tamas Ring? There is nothing for any lvl.

Wearing a Rajas ring, you give up any acc rings for any lvl. You can macro it in for WS but for that is it really any better than the normal rings? Sublte blow and store tp are worthless if you are just using it for a WS. So basically you are wearing a lvl 36 str ring with extra dex.

There is never a reason to ever take the tamas ring off at any lvl.

[Raineer]

For a mage, what is better than the Tamas Ring? There is nothing for any lvl.

Wearing a Rajas ring, you give up any acc rings for any lvl. You can macro it in for WS but for that is it really any better than the normal rings? Sublte blow and store tp are worthless if you are just using it for a WS. So basically you are wearing a lvl 36 str ring with extra dex.

There is never a reason to ever take the tamas ring off at any lvl.

But it doesn't give you anything you can't already have. It's just a space saver. If you want to never level a melee then ok, but in my experience those players are exteremly rare.

Conversly, I never find a reason to take off my Rajas on a melee job and unlike Tamas on eery single swing I take all 4 traits on the ring are being utilized.

[Cleveland]

For Mage Types (BLM/WHM/RDM/SMN)......there is no comparison to Tamas Ring.

[rahvin]

For a mage, what is better than the Tamas Ring? There is nothing for any lvl.

Wearing a Rajas ring, you give up any acc rings for any lvl. You can macro it in for WS but for that is it really any better than the normal rings? Sublte blow and store tp are worthless if you are just using it for a WS. So basically you are wearing a lvl 36 str ring with extra dex.

There is never a reason to ever take the tamas ring off at any lvl.

But it doesn't give you anything you can't already have. It's just a space saver. If you want to never level a melee then ok, but in my experience those players are exteremly rare.

Conversly, I never find a reason to take off my Rajas on a melee job and unlike Tamas on eery single swing I take all 4 traits on the ring are being utilized.

couldnt you say that all 4 traits on the tamas ring are being used at the same time also? Its a moot point to argue about the 2. One is good for melee, the other mages.

[Krandor]

Most PLDs I've seen wear BQ+Jelly. If you want to save inventory space, Sattva would be good, but the fact is that it's only good for one (maybe two) jobs isn't very good.

I despise Jelly Ring. Outside of Tiamat (or maybe a Mighty-striked Nidhogg) no mob is really going to drop me with Physical attacks, it's going to be his spells that fuck me up at the end of the day. My Jelly Ring has been sitting in storage for a good 3-4 months now (even before I had Sattva, I previously used BQ and Hercules for most mobs).

Also there are really 3 jobs that can get full use out of a sattva ring, that being WAR PLD and NIN. People don't tank with WAR as often and I'm sure 99% of WARs would take Rajas first, but hey, the option is there :/

[Raineer]

For a mage, what is better than the Tamas Ring? There is nothing for any lvl.

Wearing a Rajas ring, you give up any acc rings for any lvl. You can macro it in for WS but for that is it really any better than the normal rings? Sublte blow and store tp are worthless if you are just using it for a WS. So basically you are wearing a lvl 36 str ring with extra dex.

There is never a reason to ever take the tamas ring off at any lvl.

But it doesn't give you anything you can't already have. It's just a space saver. If you want to never level a melee then ok, but in my experience those players are exteremly rare.

Conversly, I never find a reason to take off my Rajas on a melee job and unlike Tamas on eery single swing I take all 4 traits on the ring are being utilized.

couldnt you say that all 4 traits on the tamas ring are being used at the same time also? Its a moot point to argue about the 2. One is good for melee, the other mages.

no, they aren't. no spell uses mnd and int at the same time. The +mp is only required at the very beginning. +enmity, ok i'll buy that.

Other than that, sure if you don't level a melee at all then tamas would be for you. Rajas adds so so much more for a melee than the tamas adds for a mage. If you're going to discuss which is "better", and we all know this stupid shit is why we come here, then I belive that should be the criteria.

[Krandor]

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[Janice]

Here is how I view the two rings.

Tamas ring : All right! lvl 30, time to wear this ring and never take it off.

Rajas ring : Too bad I don't have a rajas ring. Oh well, at least I have a sniper's ring. I'll just macro in str ring for ws.

[Krandor]

Rajas ring : Too bad I don't have a rajas ring. Oh well, at least I have a sniper's ring. I'll just macro in str ring for ws.

Honestly that's my opinion on the Sattva vs. Rajas thing.

Of course I think the basic thing here is who gives a shit what you pick, these rings are all good but they none honestly have that kind of make or break deal that a suppa does. In all cases there is at least a semi decent substitute for these rings.

[Sefier]

thats bullshit beastly earring owns.....


























a fucking storage spot.

[rahvin]

For a mage, what is better than the Tamas Ring? There is nothing for any lvl.

Wearing a Rajas ring, you give up any acc rings for any lvl. You can macro it in for WS but for that is it really any better than the normal rings? Sublte blow and store tp are worthless if you are just using it for a WS. So basically you are wearing a lvl 36 str ring with extra dex.

There is never a reason to ever take the tamas ring off at any lvl.

But it doesn't give you anything you can't already have. It's just a space saver. If you want to never level a melee then ok, but in my experience those players are exteremly rare.

Conversly, I never find a reason to take off my Rajas on a melee job and unlike Tamas on eery single swing I take all 4 traits on the ring are being utilized.

couldnt you say that all 4 traits on the tamas ring are being used at the same time also? Its a moot point to argue about the 2. One is good for melee, the other mages.

no, they aren't. no spell uses mnd and int at the same time. The +mp is only required at the very beginning. +enmity, ok i'll buy that.

Other than that, sure if you don't level a melee at all then tamas would be for you. Rajas adds so so much more for a melee than the tamas adds for a mage. If you're going to discuss which is "better", and we all know this stupid shit is why we come here, then I belive that should be the criteria.

i could argue that 2/4 of the stats on the rajas are utterly useless stats. where as for a mage int/mnd, - emnity and mp are more usefull than str and dex.

[Lockecole]

Store TP +5 is 5% more TP. From a Ring. That already gives you 5DEX 5STR and 5 Subtle Blow. (give the mob 5% less TP.) with no negatives to it. Every swing you take is benefited from this ring, and you should never, ever take it off no matter what situation you're in. Any other opinions on the ring fail. Period.

[Janice]

Store TP +5 is 5% more TP. From a Ring. That already gives you 5DEX 5STR and 5 Subtle Blow. (give the mob 5% less TP.) with no negatives to it. Every swing you take is benefited from this ring, and you should never, ever take it off no matter what situation you're in. Any other opinions on the ring fail. Period.

People are using these rings for different reasons. You only talk about the ring at lvl 75, other people use them to lvl other jobs.