Magnetic Earring Testing

[Kaylia]

Here is how I view the two rings.

Tamas ring : All right! lvl 30, time to wear this ring and never take it off.

Rajas ring : Too bad I don't have a rajas ring. Oh well, at least I have a sniper's ring. I'll just macro in str ring for ws.

You don't take off rajas either when you have it. And by your logic, you could simply macro a +5 int for your nuke, and +5mnd for debuff. Mp is nice, but except when you solo, it's really a concern.


Not saying Tamas isn't good because that would be a lie, but it really depend what job you're playing the most.

[Lordwafik]

Here is how I view the two rings.

Tamas ring : All right! lvl 30, time to wear this ring and never take it off.

Rajas ring : Too bad I don't have a rajas ring. Oh well, at least I have a sniper's ring. I'll just macro in str ring for ws.

You don't take off rajas either when you have it. And by your logic, you could simply macro a +5 int for your nuke, and +5mnd for debuff. Mp is nice, but except when you solo, it's really a concern.


Not saying Tamas isn't good because that would be a lie, but it really depend what job you're playing the most.

I'd take off a STR/DEX ring for 2 acc rings.

Hitting higher , but less often

or

Hitting often, but not as high.

Subtle blow doesnt kick in if the hit doesnt land

[Janice]

What does each ring give up?

Tamas ring : you give up 10-30 mp depending on lvl. If you really wanted that mp, you could use astral/ether/serket ring when you want max mp.

Rajas ring: you give up 5-7 acc.

Thats why I chose tamas ring. Even if I do decide to lvl a melee job in the future, at least you have extra acc for the loss of the rajas ring. That's much better than just having more mp just cause you can't get a rajas ring IMO.

[Julius]

nothing replaces rajas endgame. expecially not accuracy rings. with merits and whatnot, +acc on ring is worthless when you're already at the 95% accuracy cap without it.

[Janice]

Like I said, I'm not just talking endgame.

[Tom Chambers]

nothing replaces rajas endgame. expecially not accuracy rings. with merits and whatnot, +acc on ring is worthless when you're already at the 95% accuracy cap without it.

OMG what if you use meat?

[Elcura]

nothing replaces rajas endgame. expecially not accuracy rings. with merits and whatnot, +acc on ring is worthless when you're already at the 95% accuracy cap without it.

OMG what if you use meat?

People using meat? A myth a tell you, a myth... It's sad only a few MNKs use meat in KRT, I understand using Sushi until you're comfortable with your acc gear, but after a while it's stupid (this is mnk only, wars and nin can use sushi cause they're too lazy to experiment) =(

As for the rings, I got Tamas, my only 75 jobs are RDM and MNK, and for MNK I wear Sniper's almost all the time unless I'm using sushi (for when I'm lazy). But for RDM Tamas is a great convienience, RDMs are always pressed for space and getting rid (selling teehee) 3 rings for 1 is awesome. As for RDMs not needed -enmity it's somewhat true, but with enough -enmity I haven't pulled hate at Kirin once even when the tanks have been dying and shit.

[genome]

Not sure how this turned into just a rajas vs tamas ring topic
But I guess since it has...

Rajas even not endgame doesn't give up that much accuracy no matter what, since the DEX+3~5 also gives some decent accuracy back. Plus it gives increased critical hits which are kinda priceless. Plus as other ppl like lockercole pointed out, all 4 stats are useful at the same time for melee, you hit harder, with more chance of criticals, more accurately, with more tp back, and giving less tp to mobs, all this for every single punch and ws you do, all are active at the same time. Even just the DEX+STR is like having 4-5 slots for rings.
If you really care a ton about accuracy, eat sushi i suppose. It's not quite as good as atk foods for damage but if you have accuracy problems it will solve them better than a single acc ring. If you eat meat you already decided boosting acc is not your 1st priority, so you still likely want raja in place of a very small acc boost from a ring.

About Tamas, you could get most of those effects from other rings but you don't get to benefit from all at the same time, usually just from 1 or 2 (emnity- and either MND or INT or mp while resting), like many people also pointed out, because of how spells work. But not having to swap can at least be a space saver which is a small benefit but still kinda cool. Also the emnity- is somewhat unique.

[aurik]

I got a rajas but I don't use it for xp.
Non-xp, I'm all about it though. Limbus, KSNM/ENM, soloing/duoing, small nms, farming, etc, it kicks ass.

[Lordwafik]

In this topic :

Everyone who is a melee job, says they benefit from a Rajas ring, and say tamas ring is crap.

Everyone who is a mage job, says they benefit from a Tamas ring, and say rajas ring is crap.


In conclusion : Let's all stfu and just be happy CoP had good rings K? They're both good. If you could have them both you'd get them both.

[Tom Chambers]

In this topic :

Everyone who is a melee job, says they benefit from a Rajas ring, and say tamas ring is crap.

Everyone who is a mage job, says they benefit from a Tamas ring, and say rajas ring is crap.


In conclusion : Let's all stfu and just be happy CoP had good rings K? They're both good. If you could have them both you'd get them both.

I have a Rajas and I don't regret it, because I enjoy playing my NIN and MNK more than my WHM. But I didn't wear my Rajas on my MNK until I was 75 with a cuple merits because what the fuck use is STR and Store TP if you can't hit the mob? But Lockecole doesn't like accuracy at all and is a crackhead for sushi, so I can understand where he's coming from, I just don't agree.

Tamas does more for mages than Rajas does for melees.

[Lordwafik]

(i agree with you but we both know melee are emo )

[DrObvious]

WHM: MND only useful for Cure V and INT not useful at all. (Please dont mention MND or INT for debuffs.)

fun fact: WHM can enfeeble too. Dynamis, limbus, BCNM, and anything that isnt super strong HMS's (and most of those are immune to a lot of enfeebles anyway). So why shouldn't we mention it?

Here, here. Often times in small groups you don't always have the luxury of a RDM there to spam those debuffs. During limbus runs where the WHM is the main debuffer, this thing helps alot.

Where are your rdms and nins and why can't they enfeeble?

Lockecole never said the stats suck, he said you don't need them at the same time. As much as people defending Tamas want to write up an essay informing ignorant melees of how int and mnd are beneficial- he never said they weren't. He said you never need both at the same time which is true. You can have a seperate int and mnd ring and lose nothing.

Max mp can be replaced by dedicated mp rings with no loss.

-3 enmity by itself isn't going to save you from death, and it never will. This doesn't mean throw away all your -enmity gear, it means 3 more on top of everything else isn't going to work miracles. Still, this the the crown jewel of Tamas since -enmity is the only stat that is beneficial that is irreplaceable.

[Lordwafik]

does dex affect every single hit, or just criticals.





Anyway, just because we dont use all 4 stats at the exact same moment in time, it doesnt make it useless!

Think of the tamas ring as a swiss army knife, alot of gadgets all rolled into one. You're very safe with one, because it has multiple uses all on the one tool.

Mages arent swinging a weapon 100% of the time like melee are, every mage's spell has different stats affecting it, be it INT or MND, both on the same slot is useful. MP is useful, -enmity is useful. I dont care if you disagree, but those are the facts.

I really dont understand why all the melee are trying to tell us mages that their ring is better, when it really doesnt matter.

Mages swap gear almost on every spell they cast, their gear is situational to them. So I dont see why melee are telling us, we should pick a rajas ring, because maybe we'll level a melee in the future, and for now we should buy a snow+aquilo+ether+serene ring.

[Janice]

This debate will never end, must find a way to change the subject....


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[Kiro]

This debate will never end, must find a way to change the subject....


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Wow...

[Elcura]

Not sure how this turned into just a rajas vs tamas ring topic
But I guess since it has...

Rajas even not endgame doesn't give up that much accuracy no matter what, since the DEX+3~5 also gives some decent accuracy back. Plus it gives increased critical hits which are kinda priceless. Plus as other ppl like lockercole pointed out, all 4 stats are useful at the same time for melee, you hit harder, with more chance of criticals, more accurately, with more tp back, and giving less tp to mobs, all this for every single punch and ws you do, all are active at the same time. Even just the DEX+STR is like having 4-5 slots for rings.
If you really care a ton about accuracy, eat sushi i suppose. It's not quite as good as atk foods for damage but if you have accuracy problems it will solve them better than a single acc ring. If you eat meat you already decided boosting acc is not your 1st priority, so you still likely want raja in place of a very small acc boost from a ring.

About Tamas, you could get most of those effects from other rings but you don't get to benefit from all at the same time, usually just from 1 or 2 (emnity- and either MND or INT or mp while resting), like many people also pointed out, because of how spells work. But not having to swap can at least be a space saver which is a small benefit but still kinda cool. Also the emnity- is somewhat unique.

Who cares if you don't benefit from all at the same time? You're benefitting from 2 at least, even if you aren't using all at the same time YOU'RE STILL USING THEM ALL.

RDMs USE every single stat on Tamas
BLMs USE every single stat on Tamas (good BLMs use Stoneskin).
WHM CAN use every single stat on Tamas (If they Aspir).
BRDs and SMNs can use at least 2 of those stats.

Every melee has a good ring to use, either STR or ACC, the only jobs that get any REAL use from Store TP and Subtle Blow are the jobs that have already got gear for it, and useful pieces too (none of that only increase StoreTP or SB shit).

So even if you are using each stat for each swing, only 2 of those really matter. If you're using Meat you'll likely need all the Acc you can get to keep a good 90%+ hit rate, most gear a MNK can wear increases acc and STR too so it's all good.

[qatsi2]

Those arguing in favor of Tamas ring should leave RDM out of it. The other classes have merit with it, but the only reason one would chose Tamas ring as a RDM is if you (1) hated farming for gil or (2) were lazy about macro swapping. We can get every stat elsewhere, and never need them in conjunction. Except -enmity, which is a joke for RDM's anyway.

[Merlyn]

Those arguing in favor of Tamas ring should leave RDM out of it. The other classes have merit with it, but the only reason one would chose Tamas ring as a RDM is if you (1) hated farming for gil or (2) were lazy about macro swapping. We can get every stat elsewhere, and never need them in conjunction. Except -enmity, which is a joke for RDM's anyway.

While that is true, it's still better than Rajas or Sattva for RDM.

[Not Kuno]

I dunno about you but a piece of gear that replaces 4 rings (int, mind, enmity, mp) is always an improvement.