Magnetic Earring Testing

[qatsi2]

While that is true, it's still better than Rajas or Sattva for RDM.

Speaking as a RDM who chose Rajas, the utility that I get from Rajas when soloing PH's, for example, is far greater than the use I could get from Tamas. That's like saying that my Red Cape +1 is better than a Black Cape +1. Sure I would prefer it, but it's just inventory space...

[Merlyn]

As taru RDM, personally I only think I really need the MND. But, having INT is good, too. MP for me is pretty useless because I already have 100 more than my HP, so even more would just be good for the first convert. With errant/mahatma gear and penitent's rope, that's already a bit of -enmity, which RDM doesn't really need anyway.

[Elcura]

Those arguing in favor of Tamas ring should leave RDM out of it. The other classes have merit with it, but the only reason one would chose Tamas ring as a RDM is if you (1) hated farming for gil or (2) were lazy about macro swapping. We can get every stat elsewhere, and never need them in conjunction. Except -enmity, which is a joke for RDM's anyway.

Fail for not including inventory space. Kuno said it best, a ring that can replace 3-4 rings = win. We all need inventory space, don't even act like you don't.

As for a RDM farming with Rajas ring, that's your own thing, a waste of a good ring too if you ask me. Level up a melee job to put it to good use.

[Lockecole]

To clarify my posts, I don't think Tamas sucks. I don't think the stats on it suck. I don't think Rajas Ring is God in ring form. I merely stated that Rajas is more beneficial to more jobs in more areas as a whole, then Tamas is. (If anything only for the simple fact that there are only 4 mage jobs that would use it, and there are...well practically any job can use Rajas, obviously some moreso then others.)

No I don't have a mage job, I have a 75BRD which I play excellently even with +4 enmity merits. (Solo BRDed Tiamat and Fafhoggs without pulling hate) and know how stats, MP, and enmity play into how things work, and I know just how useless they can be in so many situations where they don't come into play. I've also talked extensively with Raineer who's the most hardcore RDM I know on Siren (and the best) and he even picked a Rajas, just because he knew Tamas wouldn't benefit him that much. I'm not trying to say WHMs or BLMs should be picking Rajas if that's their only job, go Tamas. I'm just throwing out what I feel to be legitamate reasons for why one is a little lackluster, mainly because mages are so situational...not because the stats on Tamas suck.

As far as me being a Sushi whore Tom, I use Sushi and meat when its best. Usually meat only during Dynamis and Limbus. I parse and I parse alot, I don't just slap on shit because I like seeing big numbers. Sorry no, Im not a MNK with 276+16+7 Hand-to-Hand...WAR is stuck with a B weapon that they need to barely get to A+, so yeah I tend to lean towards att gear and sushi. No it doesn't suck, considering there's not another melee on Siren that outparses me, except MNKs in KRT.

[Taku]

All mage jobs at 75, and I still picked Rajas!

Tamas is godly for mages, and while you never use the INT and MND at the same time, the -enmity on top of it is what makes it better than the elemental rings.

Rajas is awesome for melee, cause as Locke said you use all 4 stats with every swing. I don't know about you guys, but while leveling a new job, this ring does not come off passed 60... and yes I eat sushi. I don't know how you can get by without using sushi unless you're leveling off of VT's, which isn't the case 90% of the time pre-75.

It was a tough choice, but I picked Rajas cause I would feel less gimp as a mage with snow/aqua/serene rings than a melee without rajas. That, and I would hate myself every time I was at 99% TP after an attack round.

And Tom, do you eat attack food 100% of the time no matter what you're fighting? I don't have HQ snipers, but even with max H2H merits on MNK my accuracy takes too much of a hit without sushi outside of the tomb(Like on Golems).

[Rocl]

Aqua Ring 3,900,000 gil
Snow Ring 3,700,000 gil
Astral Ring 2,000,000 gil
Serene Ring 20,000,000 gil

Inventory Space? Priceless.

[Taku]

I have a 2nd account just for mules, so inventory isn't that much of a problem for *me*, although I can understand getting it to save 3 inventory spots and a macro line if you have haunting inventory issues.

[Septimus]

Just to clear up some inaccuracies that I saw in this thread...

MND does not increase Phalanx's power- it is strictly based off of Enhancing magic skill.

INT does not increase the effectiveness of Drain and Aspir- they are strictly based off of Dark magic skill and Magical accuracy.

No spells ever use INT and MND at the same time.

I have a Tamas Ring. Do I regret it? No. (Unlike Abyssal Earring.) Do I wish I could also have a Rajas Ring also? Damn straight. (Just like Suponomimi.)

It still pisses me off that you save the world once more, but you can only chose one ring. Give me all three you greedy bitch!

[genome]

does dex affect every single hit, or just criticals.

to answer your question, yes, dex affects every single hit, not just criticals. It affects the chance than any/every hit will be critical, plus adds accuracy (increases chance any/every hit will land), plus it affects other modifiers like some WS formulas and SA etc. STR also affects every hit, not just wss or criticals, plus it adds attack and affects the capping/effectiveness of attack.
The reason why we are all saying it's so cool that all stats are useful at the same time might be clarified (I hope) by this somewhat weird example: for a mage it would NEVER make sense to keep one ring as MND and the other as INT, right? You should use the other ring slot for the same stat or another useful stat and swap in rings as needed before each type of spell. However for a melee, while it would be a bit unusual, having 1 ring STR and the other ring DEX would still provide benefits of both and wouldn't be such a terrible choice.
Another way to think about it is a melee might benefit from accuracy+attack song combos (madrigal+minuet), but a mage will want 2 of the same etude (INT+INT instead of say INT+MND) especially if you could pick 2 new songs before each spell.

Having said that, like people and myself said, tamas saves you inventory space and cost of expensive rings as mage so go for it. But if its stats were split you would never ever have a reason to wear them at the same time.

[grunion]

for 75smn and 75brd i picked rajas.

-enmity: don't really need it, rarely or never get hate on brd or smn
+mp: i have serket ring if i need MP
MND: does nothing for SMN or BRD
INT: does nothing for SMN or BRD

if i level BLM or WHM to 75 i'll regret it, but i figured the number of jobs that benefit from rajas is greater.

[Raineer]

I didn't really follow

You're still looking at stats which potentially are going unused with the Tamas in so many situations. Enmity being useless in situations where you'll never pull hate. (Dynamis, Limbus mages wont be pulling hate off of good DDs.) MP being useless in fast paced zones where you're forced to rest for short periods and never achieve your max MP. And MND or INT really only being useful at one point or another.
BLM: INT for nukes, MND practically only for stoneskin. (Macroable)
RDM: MND and INT able to equally macro rings in for corresponding spells.
WHM: MND only useful for Cure V and INT not useful at all. (Please dont mention MND or INT for debuffs.)

Hey WHMS, time to toss out your raven/crow set because -enmity doesnt matter!

You're a melee, of course you wont understand how we can benefit from the stats.

For BLM :
+5 INT, that's a snow ring right there, int being our useful stat for nukes.
+5 MND : Good for stoneskin/phalanx without having to buy another ring to stick into that same slot, ohio inventory, it's been a while, i missed you.
+30 MP : Trust me, every bit of MP counts, especially on blm when a big dynamis train comes along, and you dont have a second of time to rest, no aspirable targets, sometimes that +30 MP actually does something. Oh wait, that's right, I guess my MP merit points dont count, i'll take them away too.
-3 Enmity, the stat alot of people like to overlook, the stat that makes ninjas and paladins grab hate right back off you when the mob focuses on you, the stat that doesnt make you a magnet for mobs. I still dont understand why people think this is so useless. All blm have at least one peice of -enm gear, most often it'll be mahatma slops. Here's something fun, next fafnir tell your blms to nuke without -enm gear (even if it means being nude on that slot).

Now for RDM :
INT+5 : Great for blind/grav/bind/nuking
MND+5 : Great for Para/Slow/Silence/Stoneskin/Phalanx/etc
MP+30 : RDM have the worst MP pool of all 4, SMN > BLM > WHM > RDM, we need every bit of MP we can get without having to sacrifice other useful gear (i'd love if I could use zenith crown and AF1 hat for fast cast at once, but newp).
Enmity-3 : This stat not as useful, unless duoing with a monk or nin or something, but I dont recall the last time I pulled hate, only after a DS+convert.

WHM (now im not a whm, so feel free to add if there's something I missed, or correct me if im wrong):
INT+5 : Poop, maybe to help with drain/aspir? /shrug
MND+5 : Help with the whm enfeebles (slow/silence/paralyze), Cure5's limit
-3 enmity : One of the key reasons whm buy blessed/raven for wyrm and other HNM fights. Let the pld be healed without pulling too much hate.
MP+30 : Hot. Just hot.

SMN (same as whm)
INT+5 = poop
MND+5 = poop
-3 enmity = awesome, since alot of smn i know solo with their avatars, the more -enm on the smn, the more the pet tanks
MP+30 = great.

In conclusion : The ring serves it's purpose all at once without having to buy 4 seperate rings, which only 2 are equippable at any given moment (snow, aqua, ether, and serene). All these rings, on all the time, without equip swaps? Tell me how this is shit again?


Now for the Rajas ring which I had an option to get for my BST and upcoming thief :
+5 STR
+5 DEX
+5 Subtle blow
+5 Store TP


For my thief, I dunno, i'd wear if i had a ton of accuracy gear, but i'd rather have snipers in those slots and use this on WS. Store TP ? THF beats everyone to TP anyway. Subtle blow is probably the main reason i'd wear this ring, since I cant buy subtle blow on any other ring.

For my BST, the 5 STR/DEX would be awesome for rampage, subtle blow and store TP wouldnt be as useful, my pet is constantly feeding the mob TP at a constant rate, and I dont use my WS untill the mob has 10-5% HP left in it. No point WS'ing and taking hate midway.

In conclusion : I would gain most benefit from STR/DEX +5 for my personal use, but only during WS, However, the 2 stats that I am concerned about are also purchasable for 2 slots that I can use. So I'll just go buy a flame and thunder ring.

you made a 900 word post about stats that are all available with proper macroing

tamas = "i'm lazy" or "i need inventory space"

SORRY THERE IS NO OTHER RESPONSE

[Flarega]

What the hell happened to this topic? I thought it was about Magnetic earring not Rajas/Tamas.

[Raineer]

What the hell happened to this topic? I thought it was about Magnetic earring not Rajas/Tamas.

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[Lockecole]

What the hell happened to this topic? I thought it was about Magnetic earring not Rajas/Tamas.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...ichaelm/BG.jpg

Lol seriously. Be happy it's at least still a debate on a piece of equipment in this game and not the reproductive habits of indigenous monkeys.

[Sekkite]

What the hell happened to this topic? I thought it was about Magnetic earring not Rajas/Tamas.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...ichaelm/BG.jpg

Lol seriously. Be happy it's at least still a debate on a piece of equipment in this game and not the reproductive habits of indigenous monkeys.

I demand mithra porn.

[edgarfigaro]

I didn't really follow

You're still looking at stats which potentially are going unused with the Tamas in so many situations. Enmity being useless in situations where you'll never pull hate. (Dynamis, Limbus mages wont be pulling hate off of good DDs.) MP being useless in fast paced zones where you're forced to rest for short periods and never achieve your max MP. And MND or INT really only being useful at one point or another.
BLM: INT for nukes, MND practically only for stoneskin. (Macroable)
RDM: MND and INT able to equally macro rings in for corresponding spells.
WHM: MND only useful for Cure V and INT not useful at all. (Please dont mention MND or INT for debuffs.)

Hey WHMS, time to toss out your raven/crow set because -enmity doesnt matter!

You're a melee, of course you wont understand how we can benefit from the stats.

For BLM :
+5 INT, that's a snow ring right there, int being our useful stat for nukes.
+5 MND : Good for stoneskin/phalanx without having to buy another ring to stick into that same slot, ohio inventory, it's been a while, i missed you.
+30 MP : Trust me, every bit of MP counts, especially on blm when a big dynamis train comes along, and you dont have a second of time to rest, no aspirable targets, sometimes that +30 MP actually does something. Oh wait, that's right, I guess my MP merit points dont count, i'll take them away too.
-3 Enmity, the stat alot of people like to overlook, the stat that makes ninjas and paladins grab hate right back off you when the mob focuses on you, the stat that doesnt make you a magnet for mobs. I still dont understand why people think this is so useless. All blm have at least one peice of -enm gear, most often it'll be mahatma slops. Here's something fun, next fafnir tell your blms to nuke without -enm gear (even if it means being nude on that slot).

Now for RDM :
INT+5 : Great for blind/grav/bind/nuking
MND+5 : Great for Para/Slow/Silence/Stoneskin/Phalanx/etc
MP+30 : RDM have the worst MP pool of all 4, SMN > BLM > WHM > RDM, we need every bit of MP we can get without having to sacrifice other useful gear (i'd love if I could use zenith crown and AF1 hat for fast cast at once, but newp).
Enmity-3 : This stat not as useful, unless duoing with a monk or nin or something, but I dont recall the last time I pulled hate, only after a DS+convert.

WHM (now im not a whm, so feel free to add if there's something I missed, or correct me if im wrong):
INT+5 : Poop, maybe to help with drain/aspir? /shrug
MND+5 : Help with the whm enfeebles (slow/silence/paralyze), Cure5's limit
-3 enmity : One of the key reasons whm buy blessed/raven for wyrm and other HNM fights. Let the pld be healed without pulling too much hate.
MP+30 : Hot. Just hot.

SMN (same as whm)
INT+5 = poop
MND+5 = poop
-3 enmity = awesome, since alot of smn i know solo with their avatars, the more -enm on the smn, the more the pet tanks
MP+30 = great.

In conclusion : The ring serves it's purpose all at once without having to buy 4 seperate rings, which only 2 are equippable at any given moment (snow, aqua, ether, and serene). All these rings, on all the time, without equip swaps? Tell me how this is shit again?


Now for the Rajas ring which I had an option to get for my BST and upcoming thief :
+5 STR
+5 DEX
+5 Subtle blow
+5 Store TP


For my thief, I dunno, i'd wear if i had a ton of accuracy gear, but i'd rather have snipers in those slots and use this on WS. Store TP ? THF beats everyone to TP anyway. Subtle blow is probably the main reason i'd wear this ring, since I cant buy subtle blow on any other ring.

For my BST, the 5 STR/DEX would be awesome for rampage, subtle blow and store TP wouldnt be as useful, my pet is constantly feeding the mob TP at a constant rate, and I dont use my WS untill the mob has 10-5% HP left in it. No point WS'ing and taking hate midway.

In conclusion : I would gain most benefit from STR/DEX +5 for my personal use, but only during WS, However, the 2 stats that I am concerned about are also purchasable for 2 slots that I can use. So I'll just go buy a flame and thunder ring.

you made a 900 word post about stats that are all available with proper macroing

tamas = "i'm lazy" or "i need inventory space"

SORRY THERE IS NO OTHER RESPONSE

How about: "I HAVE NO JOB THAT NEEDS THE OTHER TWO RINGS"

I think that's a valid response. Oh, how about this one: "I HAVE 2 JOBS, ONE THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM TAMAS, THE OTHER FROM RAJAS...3 GUESSES TO WHICH ONE MY LS USES MORE, FIRST 2 DON'T COUNT"

See, everyone can play around with caps. If you're a blm/whm/smn/brd, you should get tamas. If you're a rdm...iffy, but seeing that solo'ing doesn't really help your ls, tamas is better-leave the meleeing to jobs that are actually good at it.

[Desklamp]

I didn't really follow

You're still looking at stats which potentially are going unused with the Tamas in so many situations. Enmity being useless in situations where you'll never pull hate. (Dynamis, Limbus mages wont be pulling hate off of good DDs.) MP being useless in fast paced zones where you're forced to rest for short periods and never achieve your max MP. And MND or INT really only being useful at one point or another.
BLM: INT for nukes, MND practically only for stoneskin. (Macroable)
RDM: MND and INT able to equally macro rings in for corresponding spells.
WHM: MND only useful for Cure V and INT not useful at all. (Please dont mention MND or INT for debuffs.)

Hey WHMS, time to toss out your raven/crow set because -enmity doesnt matter!

You're a melee, of course you wont understand how we can benefit from the stats.

For BLM :
+5 INT, that's a snow ring right there, int being our useful stat for nukes.
+5 MND : Good for stoneskin/phalanx without having to buy another ring to stick into that same slot, ohio inventory, it's been a while, i missed you.
+30 MP : Trust me, every bit of MP counts, especially on blm when a big dynamis train comes along, and you dont have a second of time to rest, no aspirable targets, sometimes that +30 MP actually does something. Oh wait, that's right, I guess my MP merit points dont count, i'll take them away too.
-3 Enmity, the stat alot of people like to overlook, the stat that makes ninjas and paladins grab hate right back off you when the mob focuses on you, the stat that doesnt make you a magnet for mobs. I still dont understand why people think this is so useless. All blm have at least one peice of -enm gear, most often it'll be mahatma slops. Here's something fun, next fafnir tell your blms to nuke without -enm gear (even if it means being nude on that slot).

Now for RDM :
INT+5 : Great for blind/grav/bind/nuking
MND+5 : Great for Para/Slow/Silence/Stoneskin/Phalanx/etc
MP+30 : RDM have the worst MP pool of all 4, SMN > BLM > WHM > RDM, we need every bit of MP we can get without having to sacrifice other useful gear (i'd love if I could use zenith crown and AF1 hat for fast cast at once, but newp).
Enmity-3 : This stat not as useful, unless duoing with a monk or nin or something, but I dont recall the last time I pulled hate, only after a DS+convert.

WHM (now im not a whm, so feel free to add if there's something I missed, or correct me if im wrong):
INT+5 : Poop, maybe to help with drain/aspir? /shrug
MND+5 : Help with the whm enfeebles (slow/silence/paralyze), Cure5's limit
-3 enmity : One of the key reasons whm buy blessed/raven for wyrm and other HNM fights. Let the pld be healed without pulling too much hate.
MP+30 : Hot. Just hot.

SMN (same as whm)
INT+5 = poop
MND+5 = poop
-3 enmity = awesome, since alot of smn i know solo with their avatars, the more -enm on the smn, the more the pet tanks
MP+30 = great.

In conclusion : The ring serves it's purpose all at once without having to buy 4 seperate rings, which only 2 are equippable at any given moment (snow, aqua, ether, and serene). All these rings, on all the time, without equip swaps? Tell me how this is shit again?


Now for the Rajas ring which I had an option to get for my BST and upcoming thief :
+5 STR
+5 DEX
+5 Subtle blow
+5 Store TP


For my thief, I dunno, i'd wear if i had a ton of accuracy gear, but i'd rather have snipers in those slots and use this on WS. Store TP ? THF beats everyone to TP anyway. Subtle blow is probably the main reason i'd wear this ring, since I cant buy subtle blow on any other ring.

For my BST, the 5 STR/DEX would be awesome for rampage, subtle blow and store TP wouldnt be as useful, my pet is constantly feeding the mob TP at a constant rate, and I dont use my WS untill the mob has 10-5% HP left in it. No point WS'ing and taking hate midway.

In conclusion : I would gain most benefit from STR/DEX +5 for my personal use, but only during WS, However, the 2 stats that I am concerned about are also purchasable for 2 slots that I can use. So I'll just go buy a flame and thunder ring.

you made a 900 word post about stats that are all available with proper macroing

tamas = "i'm lazy" or "i need inventory space"

SORRY THERE IS NO OTHER RESPONSE

How about: "I HAVE NO JOB THAT NEEDS THE OTHER TWO RINGS"

I think that's a valid response. Oh, how about this one: "I HAVE 2 JOBS, ONE THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM TAMAS, THE OTHER FROM RAJAS...3 GUESSES TO WHICH ONE MY LS USES MORE, FIRST 2 DON'T COUNT"

See, everyone can play around with caps. If you're a blm/whm/smn/brd, you should get tamas. If you're a rdm...iffy, but seeing that solo'ing doesn't really help your ls, tamas is better-leave the meleeing to jobs that are actually good at it.

How is it iffy for RDM? It's only the best ring in the game for the job.

[Raineer]

I didn't really follow

You're still looking at stats which potentially are going unused with the Tamas in so many situations. Enmity being useless in situations where you'll never pull hate. (Dynamis, Limbus mages wont be pulling hate off of good DDs.) MP being useless in fast paced zones where you're forced to rest for short periods and never achieve your max MP. And MND or INT really only being useful at one point or another.
BLM: INT for nukes, MND practically only for stoneskin. (Macroable)
RDM: MND and INT able to equally macro rings in for corresponding spells.
WHM: MND only useful for Cure V and INT not useful at all. (Please dont mention MND or INT for debuffs.)

Hey WHMS, time to toss out your raven/crow set because -enmity doesnt matter!

You're a melee, of course you wont understand how we can benefit from the stats.

For BLM :
+5 INT, that's a snow ring right there, int being our useful stat for nukes.
+5 MND : Good for stoneskin/phalanx without having to buy another ring to stick into that same slot, ohio inventory, it's been a while, i missed you.
+30 MP : Trust me, every bit of MP counts, especially on blm when a big dynamis train comes along, and you dont have a second of time to rest, no aspirable targets, sometimes that +30 MP actually does something. Oh wait, that's right, I guess my MP merit points dont count, i'll take them away too.
-3 Enmity, the stat alot of people like to overlook, the stat that makes ninjas and paladins grab hate right back off you when the mob focuses on you, the stat that doesnt make you a magnet for mobs. I still dont understand why people think this is so useless. All blm have at least one peice of -enm gear, most often it'll be mahatma slops. Here's something fun, next fafnir tell your blms to nuke without -enm gear (even if it means being nude on that slot).

Now for RDM :
INT+5 : Great for blind/grav/bind/nuking
MND+5 : Great for Para/Slow/Silence/Stoneskin/Phalanx/etc
MP+30 : RDM have the worst MP pool of all 4, SMN > BLM > WHM > RDM, we need every bit of MP we can get without having to sacrifice other useful gear (i'd love if I could use zenith crown and AF1 hat for fast cast at once, but newp).
Enmity-3 : This stat not as useful, unless duoing with a monk or nin or something, but I dont recall the last time I pulled hate, only after a DS+convert.

WHM (now im not a whm, so feel free to add if there's something I missed, or correct me if im wrong):
INT+5 : Poop, maybe to help with drain/aspir? /shrug
MND+5 : Help with the whm enfeebles (slow/silence/paralyze), Cure5's limit
-3 enmity : One of the key reasons whm buy blessed/raven for wyrm and other HNM fights. Let the pld be healed without pulling too much hate.
MP+30 : Hot. Just hot.

SMN (same as whm)
INT+5 = poop
MND+5 = poop
-3 enmity = awesome, since alot of smn i know solo with their avatars, the more -enm on the smn, the more the pet tanks
MP+30 = great.

In conclusion : The ring serves it's purpose all at once without having to buy 4 seperate rings, which only 2 are equippable at any given moment (snow, aqua, ether, and serene). All these rings, on all the time, without equip swaps? Tell me how this is shit again?


Now for the Rajas ring which I had an option to get for my BST and upcoming thief :
+5 STR
+5 DEX
+5 Subtle blow
+5 Store TP


For my thief, I dunno, i'd wear if i had a ton of accuracy gear, but i'd rather have snipers in those slots and use this on WS. Store TP ? THF beats everyone to TP anyway. Subtle blow is probably the main reason i'd wear this ring, since I cant buy subtle blow on any other ring.

For my BST, the 5 STR/DEX would be awesome for rampage, subtle blow and store TP wouldnt be as useful, my pet is constantly feeding the mob TP at a constant rate, and I dont use my WS untill the mob has 10-5% HP left in it. No point WS'ing and taking hate midway.

In conclusion : I would gain most benefit from STR/DEX +5 for my personal use, but only during WS, However, the 2 stats that I am concerned about are also purchasable for 2 slots that I can use. So I'll just go buy a flame and thunder ring.

you made a 900 word post about stats that are all available with proper macroing

tamas = "i'm lazy" or "i need inventory space"

SORRY THERE IS NO OTHER RESPONSE

How about: "I HAVE NO JOB THAT NEEDS THE OTHER TWO RINGS"

I think that's a valid response. Oh, how about this one: "I HAVE 2 JOBS, ONE THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM TAMAS, THE OTHER FROM RAJAS...3 GUESSES TO WHICH ONE MY LS USES MORE, FIRST 2 DON'T COUNT"

See, everyone can play around with caps. If you're a blm/whm/smn/brd, you should get tamas. If you're a rdm...iffy, but seeing that solo'ing doesn't really help your ls, tamas is better-leave the meleeing to jobs that are actually good at it.

LARGE QUOTES ARE FUN

Actually i said much earlier in the thread that if you ONRY have mage jobs then ok I get the decision. I don't know a single player that has a mage job and isn't levelling a melee job at all, i'm sure they are out there but rare.

As for soloing not helping my ls... RO'MEAVE WATERS BABY
(yes i kid)

[Not Kuno]

I don't know a single player that has a mage job and isn't levelling a melee job at all, i'm sure they are out there but rare.

I'm not leveling a melee, I'm sure theres more in my bg that I can name also.

[FFXIFlux]

How is it iffy for RDM? It's only the best ring in the game for the job.

Best ring in the game that is replaceable by 2 other rings, and really, who cares about the INT ring? Tamas ring is just a communion ring with an unnoticeably small -enmity and a tiny bit of +mp that gives you an tiny bit of extra damage when you nuke. Rajas ring blows it away.