ToAH..economy speculation

[Dezzimal]

Asura is owned and operated by the chinese gil sellers these days

Bahamut is mainly FI and oil-gobblers.
Sad part is the oil-gobblers openly bot and there's nothing we can do.

Times like this I wish Watuck was here.

Doesn't BG openly bot too?

[Demetrios]

Asura is owned and operated by the chinese gil sellers these days

Bahamut is mainly FI and oil-gobblers.
Sad part is the oil-gobblers openly bot and there's nothing we can do.

Times like this I wish Watuck was here.

Doesn't BG openly bot too?

who doesn't :wink:

[MisterBob]

Maybe they figured most of the remaining player where NA, and it was the thing to do to have them stay. Or maybe only the XBox version will be release two day before, forcing you to buy it if you want to get the headstart.

In any case, I'm surprised if it's true. It would be a first

Considering theres still a majority of JPs, I don't think this is true.

And if you think Limbus isn't worthwhile, you are crazy

[Correction]

Yeah ok. I guess my LS's 12 min fafnir's isn't decent enough for some ppl. Or 12 men Nidhoggs. The mentality on Siren is if you throw enough ppl at the HNM it'll die. We prefer to use some actual skill when it comes to killing shit. And trust me, you have no idea how frusterating it can be to watch a LS with 6 blms on fafnir and no fucking skillchain so the fight takes 40min. JP's have to team up on Siren to kill Vrtra and my LS is the only NA ls to kill Vrtra so far. So yeah, I'd say my ls is 'decent' enough.

Like right now that we're watching a LS claim tiamat and hold it for 100% for over 20 minutes (same LS that had a previous 7 hour kill).

Gogo sleep patch! ES/Sleep needs to not be rape-able anymore.

(yes diggler, i posted this JUST FOR YOU)

My GOD, you must be the first NA LS EVER to spend hours at an HNM camp and walk away with nothing.

Fucking crybaby.

[Kaylia]

Considering theres still a majority of JPs, I don't think this is true.

And if you think Limbus isn't worthwhile, you are crazy

I'm not under the impression there is a majority of JP playing, but maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, Xbox 360 wont bring more Jp player for sure if you consider their sales number. That's why I'm saying it might be the reason why the released is "NA oriented"


Limbus is the only thing worthwhile in what I listed. The rest is not unless you consider the novelty and challenge factor. However, I think I also said Limbus is easy as hell. I don't think it's fair to to consider it as a LS accomplishment.

[Lockecole]

Yeah ok. I guess my LS's 12 min fafnir's isn't decent enough for some ppl. Or 12 men Nidhoggs. The mentality on Siren is if you throw enough ppl at the HNM it'll die. We prefer to use some actual skill when it comes to killing shit. And trust me, you have no idea how frusterating it can be to watch a LS with 6 blms on fafnir and no fucking skillchain so the fight takes 40min. JP's have to team up on Siren to kill Vrtra and my LS is the only NA ls to kill Vrtra so far. So yeah, I'd say my ls is 'decent' enough.

Like right now that we're watching a LS claim tiamat and hold it for 100% for over 20 minutes (same LS that had a previous 7 hour kill).

Gogo sleep patch! ES/Sleep needs to not be rape-able anymore.

(yes diggler, i posted this JUST FOR YOU)

My GOD, you must be the first NA LS EVER to spend hours at an HNM camp and walk away with nothing.

Fucking crybaby.

No, but we're the only NA LS on Siren that people just straight up and leave when we claim shit. :wink:

Btw, when did anon posting become cool? Your opinion isn't valid on subjects within a specific server, unless you state who you are. (I'm assuming someone who watched yesterday's Tiamat?)

[Koyangi]

I remember the prices of Katana's and Ninjutsu powders the first few weeks RoZ was out. It wasn't pretty.

[Koyangi]

Or are you on that 1-3 servers where JP's haven't dominated something first?

Not singling out your LS, because this pretty much applies across the board at least on Siren the way i see it: reason why us the NA havent killed that NM (being general) first is because we are waiting on the JP if its our server or not, to beat it first so we can have a strat, instead of going in blind giving it a shot, losing exp, meds, gil, etc. Honestly when was the last time a big HNM or BC, or dynamis strat was FIRST reported on by an NA rather than translated from a JP site.

In summary; we are far more willing to wait for others (99 times out of 100 a JP) to do it first to say do this dont do that etc, then NA's build upon it, modify it, and make it fit their LS's job pool or way of doing things.

I'm speaking for Siren here, since I know for a fact when Jorm, Tiamat etc first came out, we had more than enough 75 NA's also with the right jobs to kill them way sooner than we did (even if it we lost dignity/satisfaction by doing an LS teamup, but still).

[½pint]

Or are you on that 1-3 servers where JP's haven't dominated something first?

Not singling out your LS, because this pretty much applies across the board at least on Siren the way i see it: reason why us the NA havent killed that NM (being general) first is because we are waiting on the JP if its our server or not, to beat it first so we can have a strat, instead of going in blind giving it a shot, losing exp, meds, gil, etc. Honestly when was the last time a big HNM or BC, or dynamis strat was FIRST reported on by an NA rather than translated from a JP site.

In summary; we are far more willing to wait for others (99 times out of 100 a JP) to do it first to say do this dont do that etc, then NA's build upon it, modify it, and make it fit their LS's job pool or way of doing things.

I'm speaking for Siren here, since I know for a fact when Jorm, Tiamat etc first came out, we had more than enough 75 NA's also with the right jobs to kill them way sooner than we did (even if it we lost dignity/satisfaction by doing an LS teamup, but still).

The new bahamut fights, new earring fights, new dynamis's, sea stuff etc. were all posted about on here as soon as they came out, and the strats that were developed from there were certainly not translated from JP sites.

[Angelsin]

Or are you on that 1-3 servers where JP's haven't dominated something first?

Not singling out your LS, because this pretty much applies across the board at least on Siren the way i see it: reason why us the NA havent killed that NM (being general) first is because we are waiting on the JP if its our server or not, to beat it first so we can have a strat, instead of going in blind giving it a shot, losing exp, meds, gil, etc. Honestly when was the last time a big HNM or BC, or dynamis strat was FIRST reported on by an NA rather than translated from a JP site.

In summary; we are far more willing to wait for others (99 times out of 100 a JP) to do it first to say do this dont do that etc, then NA's build upon it, modify it, and make it fit their LS's job pool or way of doing things.

I'm speaking for Siren here, since I know for a fact when Jorm, Tiamat etc first came out, we had more than enough 75 NA's also with the right jobs to kill them way sooner than we did (even if it we lost dignity/satisfaction by doing an LS teamup, but still).

The new bahamut fights, new earring fights, new dynamis's, sea stuff etc. were all posted about on here as soon as they came out, and the strats that were developed from there were certainly not translated from JP sites.

Well there's that 1 out of a 100 that NA's knew of before JP's

[½pint]

Or are you on that 1-3 servers where JP's haven't dominated something first?

Not singling out your LS, because this pretty much applies across the board at least on Siren the way i see it: reason why us the NA havent killed that NM (being general) first is because we are waiting on the JP if its our server or not, to beat it first so we can have a strat, instead of going in blind giving it a shot, losing exp, meds, gil, etc. Honestly when was the last time a big HNM or BC, or dynamis strat was FIRST reported on by an NA rather than translated from a JP site.

In summary; we are far more willing to wait for others (99 times out of 100 a JP) to do it first to say do this dont do that etc, then NA's build upon it, modify it, and make it fit their LS's job pool or way of doing things.

I'm speaking for Siren here, since I know for a fact when Jorm, Tiamat etc first came out, we had more than enough 75 NA's also with the right jobs to kill them way sooner than we did (even if it we lost dignity/satisfaction by doing an LS teamup, but still).

The new bahamut fights, new earring fights, new dynamis's, sea stuff etc. were all posted about on here as soon as they came out, and the strats that were developed from there were certainly not translated from JP sites.

Well there's that 1 out of a 100 that NA's knew of before JP's

Ok, I listed 6 separate events (bahamut, earring, 4x dynamis) + sea. Now you list the 693 other things.
Just because JP's are better than you, doesn't mean that JP's are better than NA's on the whole.

[Angelsin]

[quote=½pint][quote=Angelsin][quote="½pint":1ab00][quote=Koyangi][quote=Angelsin]Or are you on that 1-3 servers where JP's haven't dominated something first? [/quote]
Not singling out your LS, because this pretty much applies across the board at least on Siren the way i see it: reason why us the NA havent killed that NM (being general) first is because we are waiting on the JP if its our server or not, to beat it first so we can have a strat, instead of going in blind giving it a shot, losing exp, meds, gil, etc. Honestly when was the last time a big HNM or BC, or dynamis strat was FIRST reported on by an NA rather than translated from a JP site.

In summary; we are far more willing to wait for others (99 times out of 100 a JP) to do it first to say do this dont do that etc, then NA's build upon it, modify it, and make it fit their LS's job pool or way of doing things.

I'm speaking for Siren here, since I know for a fact when Jorm, Tiamat etc first came out, we had more than enough 75 NA's also with the right jobs to kill them way sooner than we did (even if it we lost dignity/satisfaction by doing an LS teamup, but still).[/quote]

The new bahamut fights, new earring fights, new dynamis's, sea stuff etc. were all posted about on here as soon as they came out, and the strats that were developed from there were certainly not translated from JP sites.[/quote]

Well there's that 1 out of a 100 that NA's knew of before JP's[/quote]

Ok, I listed 6 separate events (bahamut, earring, 4x dynamis) + sea. Now you list the [b]594 [/b]other things.
Just because JP's are better than [i]you[/i], doesn't mean that JP's are better than NA's on the whole.[/quote:1ab00]

Fixed.

Again with the twisting of the words. Can you read? Here I'll post what I said [b][u][i]AGAIN[/i][/u][/b]:

[quote]Can you search my post again and tell me where I said JP's are better? Can't find it? Didn't think so. I said JP's have no life. They play still game 24/7 pretty much. Not everyone here has the luxury of living at home with mommy and daddy with no responsiblies. I would say there's far more ppl that play this game that have a job or go to college than ppl that don't. I just don't get that impression from JP's. To camp an HNM @ 2-6am in the morning you have to not have a job or something. [/quote]

1st doesn't mean better. It means before others. But yes those are 6 items that NA's did do (or at least we got our information from NA's before JP's) first. It does happen which is awesome. But who knows. Hopefully with NA's on par or in most cases above JP's when it comes to skill we'll see NA's dominate the scene and figure out shit before JP's from now on.

EDIT:

[url="http://web-cache.stream.ne.jp/web/selector/suntory_viewer/user/wmt_b.html?cont=softdrink/ff/battle&band=b&player=wmt"]http://web-cache.stream.ne.jp/web/selec ... player=wmt[/url]

That's all that needs to be said about JP's obsessing over a video game.

[techboy]

To OP:
Enjoy the the next economy hell with new expansion.

To Siren ppl:
The difference between "zergling" and doing things with just "12 men or alliance" is that sometimes you just can't the entire LS out there at certain hours.

I used to think it requires a large amount of skill to kill things in FFXI, but really it doesn't. You just need the right tools (above average gears), a working strategy, a group of ppl that listen and execute the plan. If you are skill enough at following orders then anything can be taken down in FFXI.

[Angelsin]

very sad and true techboy

[Ashen]

I used to think it requires a large amount of skill to kill things in FFXI, but really it doesn't. You just need the right tools (above average gears), a working strategy, a group of ppl that listen and execute the plan. If you are skill enough at following orders then anything can be taken down in FFXI except AV

Fixed?

[DrObvious]

You obviously aren't a part of any form of a decent NA shell. My NA shell does just about everything before JP, partly because we're the oldest Linkshell on our server but still, you shouldn't have to neeedlessly degrade yourself due to some JP being better than you.

I'm a little curious how your linkshell does shit first, considering everything gets released in japan first...

Which is a non-factor since the content wasn't finished and everyone was waiting on the version updates.

[vudoodoodoo]

Asura is owned and operated by the chinese gil sellers these days

Bahamut is mainly FI and oil-gobblers.
Sad part is the oil-gobblers openly bot and there's nothing we can do.

Times like this I wish Watuck was here.

Doesn't BG openly bot too?

I bot in private.

[Angelsin]

Asura is owned and operated by the chinese gil sellers these days

Bahamut is mainly FI and oil-gobblers.
Sad part is the oil-gobblers openly bot and there's nothing we can do.

Times like this I wish Watuck was here.

Doesn't BG openly bot too?

I bot in private.

If you claim you bot. That's the golden rule of HNMs.

[Septimus]

Asura is owned and operated by the chinese gil sellers these days

Bahamut is mainly FI and oil-gobblers.
Sad part is the oil-gobblers openly bot and there's nothing we can do.

Times like this I wish Watuck was here.

Doesn't BG openly bot too?

A person who now plays WoW admitted to botting, but it was not common knowledge. I would have called him out about it if I had know.

[Rocl]

Watuck would slay the oil-gobblers.
; ;
plz Watuck