Blizzard is smarter than Square

[chilicheese]

Ohh, okay. FFXI's drops suck because they released on more than one console. Or are you just very off topic?

in FFXI we're still going after 3 king drops, which were introduced 2 years ago. SE has yet to give us better gear/harder NMs that would shift our attention away from camping 3kings for 3-9hours a day.

in WoW, the items that are considered "uber" now... i.e. shit from AQ, ZG, MC, & BWL, replaces older "uber" items (stuff from DM, scholo, strat, brd, BRS etc), essentially giving you tiers of engame gear, and tiers of endgame instances, without a doubt in my mind, more tiers will be added with better gear and harder instances. :/

[berticus]

let me just go ahead and randomly and baselessly try to defend myself by saying your last post was off topic even though it wasnt

[Mokei]

blizzard is smarter than square because 2 years from now people in WoW won't be doing the same instances for 2 year old items that are still the best in the game.

Isnt Square smarter for making players like you and me continue playing the game for items that were released two years ago?

We bitch about how stupid it is that Square has done this, but does that stop you from going to camp Fafnir for 3 hours when he enters your time zone?

[chilicheese]

i play both >_>

[Lordwafik]

Well they kinda have done it, just not in the way WoW did it.

Before the 3 biggies were Roc, Sim, Serket. Which dropped synth materials to make haubergeons/harnesses, items that give your thf/rng movement, and whm healing staff, a nice MP ring, etc.

Then later on we got the 3x Beastmen kings, . Had a HQ and NQ pop. Then after that they got 3x Land Kings which blew the old ones wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of the water , they were given armor that's too good to top.

Then after that, CoP came out, with another 3 kings. 3x Wyrms, which WOULD have been good still if they had a NQ and HQ system. NQ should be weaker than the current versions and drop the same items as they currently do, HQ should have dropped the next set of abjuration/useful shit.

While FFXI doesnt name them like MC or whatever wow crap is called, the tier's are still there, except we all know that the CoP dev team was on crack when making that last tier (the whole expansion and the gear from it is a joke).

Imo the tiers from highest to lowest , Treasure wise :

3x Ground King (Faf/Aspid and stuff)
5x Sky gods
3x Beastmen Kings
3x Jeuno NM | 3x Wyrms (i put these on the same level, because the gear from them is about on par)
7x Jailers
3x Zilart Kings (not many people know about the Antica/Tonberry/Sahagin kings)

Imo the failure was not giving them the reward for the fight. A fight that is as big as tiamat shouldnt be giving us Strider Boots 2.0

Tier's are there, just in a horrible order, but due to the expansion as a whole.

[chilicheese]

yeah i guess FFXI does have tiers... but they fucked them up, so bad.

[Stilgar]

3x Zilart Kings (not many people know about the Antica/Tonberry/Sahagin kings)

educate me pls. I can't for the life of me think of 3 mobs of those races that would be considered kings, or really very many that are worth hunting at all. hmmm:

Sozu Rogberry
Centurio X-I
Novv the Whitehearted

Yeah, I think that about covers the best/most popular NMs of those races.

[BRP]

You are forgetting the 8 demons, 2 rams, HKTK/Bomb Queen, the CoP pop NMs, and you could even consider AF-3 NMs.

[Okan]

I think AF would be equivalent to WoW's Tier 0.
Minor upgrades (Verm cloak, SH, haubs) would be Tier 0.5 (Including sky abjurations)
AF v2 would be Tier 1.
Kings Tier 2... But that's probably not how SE intended their armor sets.

[BRP]

You are forgetting about the cap jumps. So far WoW has had one, that is coming up, level 60 to 70. FFXI did 50 to 60 to 70 to 75, or something of that order.

[Okan]

You are forgetting about the cap jumps. So far WoW has had one, that is coming up, level 60 to 70. FFXI did 50 to 60 to 70 to 75, or something of that order.

FFXI did 50>55>60>65>70>75 actually...

[BRP]

I thought they added caps in pairs, save the last one. At least, thats how it looks like content wise.

[Okan]

Possibly, but I wasn't playing when the cap was 50. The last one was 70>75 is all I know. Wasn't paired.

[Lordwafik]

3x Zilart Kings (not many people know about the Antica/Tonberry/Sahagin kings)

educate me pls. I can't for the life of me think of 3 mobs of those races that would be considered kings, or really very many that are worth hunting at all. hmmm:

Sozu Rogberry
Centurio X-I
Novv the Whitehearted

Yeah, I think that about covers the best/most popular NMs of those races.

They're really shitty, could have been good, but SE didnt want to have anyone focusing on these races (would ruin their story im guessing) so they didnt give them real strongholds nor strong "kings".

http://ffxi.somepage.com/mobdb/1832 - Ocean Sahagin
http://ffxi.somepage.com/mobdb/1630 - Antican Consul
http://ffxi.somepage.com/mobdb/1934 - Tonberry Pontifex

All these are 21-24h, drop mediocre drops, could have had a great HQ king, but like i said, RoZ dev team didnt wanna make any major focus on these guys.

[tiberion02]

This thread is about WoW. Original poster should be banned and topic moved.

[Xavier]

This thread is about WoW. Original poster should be banned and topic moved.

BURN THE WITCH.

It isn't supposed to be which game is better, or even get into endgame, people are getting off topic.

All that I wanted to point out was that one company loves money, and the other company loves their game.

Should be obvious which is which. And before someone says, "but Blizzard obviously makes a lot of money with WoW" Well, yes, Blizzard Entertainment made money, but their parent company, Vivendi Universal, only just started to make a profit again, largely thanks to them. It just seems to me that if they didn't care about the game, they'd force Blizzard to poorly port the game to other platforms to milk the franchise for all its worth.

I didn't really know where to post this, just found it an interesting reflection of two companies.

[BRP]

Don't get it wrong... both companies love money.

Well anyway, the reason WoW is so popular (compared to FFXI) isn't because of the end-game. Its because of the early-game. FFXI has a rough learning curve and no soloing post 10(most of the time). Most people who quit FFXI early on do so while the is a rush of noobs coming in(as in Dunes becomes hell).

[Tom Chambers]

Hmmm...drop PS2 support and get prettier armors and more mogspace.

OR

Drop PC support and get rid of botting, MrArgus, flee-tools, and other assorted hacking?

I really don't think the more serious problems lie with the PS2.

[Lordwafik]

Actually those bots didnt surface for ages untill both PS2 and PC were well established.

NA wise of course.

I remember camping NM and stuff before NA PS2 release was in, the only thing you'd really have to worry about is the JP's. Remember when it used to be all the NA vs the JP?

[Tom Chambers]

I don't follow. It's about a billion times easier to set up bots and such on a PC. If suddenly everyone who played the game was on a PS2, those things really wouldn't be an issue any more.